Originally Posted by Adymus
Well Pi, Why don't you tell me how you feel about this? Is there anything in Si that you can relate to. Better yet, is there anything in Ne that you can relate to, why or why not?
I take it you read this: Re: introverted sensing
How I feel about what? Define "this" !
"Is there anything in Si that you can relate to."
I haven't memorized Si to far and don't have a feel for it. I'm looking at this personality typing from the outside and although I am very fond of the potential for classifying I hate to actually put it to the test without more concreteness. When I read your writings my general impression is absence of specific examples. You wrote something on introverted sensing yet I don't relate it well to independent sensing experiences that everyday experiences people that sense do. I want the theory followed by better examples. (I'm guilty of the same thing in parts of my writings.) Without examples to concretize the generalities, the novice can't understand.
Added later: I must have concrete examples to check generalities out. Once I have them I will check to make sure the generalities work. Then I need more examples and repeat the process. I want to constantly look for examples that will blow the generalities out of the water so the limits of the generality can be tested.
"Better yet, is there anything in Ne that you can relate to, why or why not?"
I've haven't thought about this. I don't think, "Now I'm thinking intuitively or now I'm sensing." I would prefer not to be asked that question unless you give me something specific. I hate to take the lead, but I can pick something to try and make things concrete to answer your Q.
Just as you mentioned the other day you might like to write about your knowledge of personality typing but are procrastinating (paraphrase), I would like to write about this: Re: How To Understand Anything
I have to get a feel for the system. There are necessary and sufficient conditions. I listed six of them. Have I got them all? Are they independent of each other? Redundancy is no good. I take the thing as a whole and search for exceptions. The thing must be complete. Nothing missing. Ideally everything must fit together harmoniously. If satisfaction were my goal I wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than a work of art.
I think abstractly but realize those abstractions can fail unless the generalities stated fit every case. So I have to check out a few cases that are concrete against the generalities. At present one of the elements for understanding is levels (i.e.Hierarchy). But just stating the meaning in a general way is too obvious. People would say, "I know that." No good. I have to take a survey of a dozen kinds of level examples, order them, their ordering rule yet to be determined, compare them until I can grasp the meaning of different kinds. I also have to find situations where people don't understand levels, present the problem and then spring the solution on them so they think, "I didn't know, now I do, that was worthwhile." Everything has to feel right and work right. So it's a project I postpone because it requires time, energy, motivation and more ability than I have to do it. You are looking at just one page. I visualize 20 to 100 pages! I'm not sure I can do it. In fact I'm sure I can't. Without a muse (someone who cares, who will inspire, who says, "BAP you've got a great idea -- go for it", I let it go. Self-doubt and lack of confidence.
Added later: I don't know if this fits Ne, but I hate memorizing what someone says. I loathe it but will do it anyway just to get along with people. I want to understand everything in the sense of having a "feel" for it. Once I have that I can apply it anywhere. Everything works. Everything fits. Without that, I hate the situation. I will sit glumly and listen.
This kind of thing is really upsetting to me: I have some unanswered things on quantum mechanics which no one knows the answers for. In the back of my mind are some vague solutions I wish to inquire about or even pose. I have discussed some things with Agent Intellect whom I have a great respect for. So in response he posts some links which he believes will be helpful. But to me the links are only more unproven ideas. I have ideas for which I'd like to propose the start of a solution but those links try to tell me something I don't accept. I may have the word "intuition" wrong (you tell me) but to me it all intuition. Throw things at me and if they don't fit I will put them aside until they will fit. I hate to accept things socially forced.
I took a gander at this Ni writeup via Google: http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/in...intuiting.html
Is what I wrote above Ni or Ne? I don't know one from the other. This ain't my field. I'm unable to separate introverted from extroverted. Poor reading skills, lol? I keep thinking, "Introverted is me looking inward; extroverted is socializing", but the writeups seems to be using some other meaning.
Adymus. Is this enough? It's emoting and rambling. Or would you like something more formal or perhaps would you prefer you didn't ask for something and have to read this in the first place, lol?