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Old 2nd-April-2010, 03:55 PM   anyaa's time 2nd-April-2010, 03:55 PM    #1
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Hi...
Frankly speaking I'm not clear what Intuition exactly is??
I'm typed INTP in all the MBTI tests I took uptill now[7-8]...[The 1st being in my colllege..which should be quite trustworthy..for campus recryitments] ...its been a year since then...I still don't get what exactly "Intuition" is???
Anybody could give any clues as to what exactly it is....
and how and when I'm using it?

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Old 2nd-April-2010, 05:49 PM   Words's time 2nd-April-2010, 05:49 PM    #2
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Abstract.

Connections..patterns..not gut feeling. You see things not just for what they are but more on their connections.

You should always ask google first.
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Old 2nd-April-2010, 10:23 PM   White Rabbit's time 2nd-April-2010, 04:23 PM    #3
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1. It's being able to figure things out without knowing exactly how you figured it out.
2. My dominant cognitive function (Ne, to be precise).
3. Absolutely beautiful, chaotic, without Ti (or definition) it's deadly.
4. Basis of creativity.
5. You use it every day at 12:42 PM, and it ends at 04:16 AM next day (GMT +9h)
6. You use it during problem solving (especially more abstract problems), along with your kendo practices and making out.
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Old 2nd-April-2010, 10:53 PM   Fukyo's time 2nd-April-2010, 11:53 PM    #4
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There's plenty of places on this particular forum, where this has been explained thoroughly, not to mention elsewhere on the net... srsly, why can't people be bothered to look, before they ask about something? It makes perfect sense to assume a forum about an intuitive type has addressed this before. >.>

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Old 2nd-April-2010, 11:08 PM   Adymus's time 2nd-April-2010, 03:08 PM    #5
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In the most absolutely simplest of terms, Intuition is pattern recognition.
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Old 3rd-April-2010, 03:05 PM   anyaa's time 3rd-April-2010, 03:05 PM    #6
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There's plenty of places on this particular forum, where this has been explained thoroughly, not to mention elsewhere on the net... srsly, why can't people be bothered to look, before they ask about something? It makes perfect sense to assume a forum about an intuitive type has addressed this before. >.>

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Well I did google...I found much info....
obviously...I got so much intrested in it that I thought that I should postpone my thorough reading about it to a date when I'll have more time to devote to it...but I couldn't get this question off my mind till then
So I posted it here...

Anyways..your reply still helped me....
I still searched from withinn the forum and found most of my answers here..
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TheSeer/intuition.html

2ndly...I wanted to know your personal experiences as to what Intuition is for you...and how you would describe it in your words...I'm sure google search/forun search can't do that..unless you relpy here [I didn't find any single thread on this forum...exactly answering this question...sorry..I may be a bad searcher]..
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Old 5th-April-2010, 07:55 PM   Paradroid's time 5th-April-2010, 09:55 PM    #7
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To me intuition means making decisions which are based onto the "right feeling".
To me intuitive thinking is the opposite of rational thinking.
For example,it may be rational to agree with the majority,since the highest numbers usually "win",but your intuition could tell you to do otherwise,even if there are no rational reasons to do it "your way".

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Intuition=Higher Intelligence
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Old 6th-April-2010, 06:15 AM   bluesquid's time 6th-April-2010, 01:15 AM    #8
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In the most absolutely simplest of terms, Intuition is pattern recognition.
Naw. Intuition doesnt help you in chess. That's parallel reasoning.

Its having a eidetic memory, and learning the constructs of thought. Then combining them in new ways. At its best.

Akin to the "retarded" kid who watches the "smart" kid in the sandbox, build with blocks. The smart kid grows up to be an architect, while the dumb one still builds with blocks.

Its all in detail. Most grad students are educated in a very specialized detail. An intuitive doesnt need to be taught rules, he uses the details obvious to him in constructing reality.
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Old 6th-April-2010, 06:58 AM   Adymus's time 5th-April-2010, 10:58 PM    #9
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Naw. Intuition doesnt help you in chess. That's parallel reasoning.

Its having a eidetic memory, and learning the constructs of thought. Then combining them in new ways. At its best.

Akin to the "retarded" kid who watches the "smart" kid in the sandbox, build with blocks. The smart kid grows up to be an architect, while the dumb one still builds with blocks.

Its all in detail. Most grad students are educated in a very specialized detail. An intuitive doesnt need to be taught rules, he uses the details obvious to him in constructing reality.
First of all, yes it does, there is a reason the INTJ forum has Chess pieces on it's logo.

Secondly, what you are describing is pattern recognition (Aside from the Eidetic memory part, you don't need eidetic memory to use intuition.)

These details obvious to him that you are describing are the patterns of natural law. Now, you are really describing Ni specifically, but still, it is all just seeing patterns.
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Old 6th-April-2010, 08:59 AM   Razare's time 6th-April-2010, 03:59 AM    #10
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Yeah, differentiating Ni and Ne is important.

Ni is having a worldview that cannot be completely described in words, or if it could, it would fill a novel. It's bits and pieces of facts, which all fit together to reinforce this larger picture. As you grow, it's constantly refined and honed into something improved as you learn new data and keep an open mind. You eventually end up forgetting most of the facts that compose it unless your Si is sharp, but the construct is still useful as long as all the facts that comprise it are solid.

Once a worldview is developed and honed, it can be used to project what will happen.

However, if information is presented to Ni which does not fit with the worldview, it is often readily ignored.

Ne is about possibilities. Brainstorming is an excellent example of Ne at work. In many ways it is the opposite of Ni, because Ni limits what is possible in order to make future predictions, while Ne expands possibilities in order to be creative and find out-of-the-box solutions to problems.
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Old 6th-April-2010, 09:38 AM   bluesquid's time 6th-April-2010, 04:38 AM    #11
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First of all, yes it does, there is a reason the INTJ forum has Chess pieces on it's logo.

Secondly, what you are describing is pattern recognition (Aside from the Eidetic memory part, you don't need eidetic memory to use intuition.)

These details obvious to him that you are describing are the patterns of natural law. Now, you are really describing Ni specifically, but still, it is all just seeing patterns.
What Im describing isnt pattern recognition. Its somewhat like genetic mutation from radiation. Its new.

Chess on a simple level is about pattern recognition. I practiced it to improve my sense of tactics.

Intuition has nothing to do with tactics.

Let it go. see what I did there? You are relying on old tactics.
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Old 6th-April-2010, 10:12 PM   Adymus's time 6th-April-2010, 02:12 PM    #12
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What Im describing isnt pattern recognition. Its somewhat like genetic mutation from radiation. Its new.

Chess on a simple level is about pattern recognition. I practiced it to improve my sense of tactics.

Intuition has nothing to do with tactics.

Let it go. see what I did there? You are relying on old tactics.
Would you agree that a good chess player should be able to predict their opponents next move?

Guess what, Intuition is most certainly used in this. Ne can provide the possibilities of the moves your opponent will make, and Ni can predict what will happen when a sequence of moves are executed in a certain way. Intuition has everything to do with strategy and tactics when being used by an Intuitive.

I'm not surprised you are not seeing this, considering you think your Ni is your Ti.
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Old 6th-April-2010, 10:29 PM   Anthile's time 6th-April-2010, 11:30 PM    #13
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There is an extensive scientific literature on chess psychology.[78][79][80][81][82] Alfred Binet and others showed that knowledge and verbal, rather than visuospatial, ability lies at the core of expertise.[83][84] Adriaan de Groot, in his doctoral thesis, showed that chess masters can rapidly perceive the key features of a position.[85] According to de Groot, this perception, made possible by years of practice and study, is more important than the sheer ability to anticipate moves. De Groot also showed that chess masters can memorize positions shown for a few seconds almost perfectly. The ability to memorize does not, alone, account for this skill, since masters and novices, when faced with random arrangements of chess pieces, had equivalent recall (about half a dozen positions in each case). Rather, it is the ability to recognize patterns, which are then memorized, which distinguished the skilled players from the novices. When the positions of the pieces were taken from an actual game, the masters had almost total positional recall.
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Old 7th-April-2010, 05:23 AM   bluesquid's time 7th-April-2010, 12:23 AM    #14
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I wouldn't expect an erudite, yet precocious child to understand intuition. Or at least explain it correctly.

One benefit of getting old is that you see everything in pattern's. Intuition, true intuition is so much more than its use in MBTI. It's a profound thing, not a subset of a personality concept.

Intuition was a poorly chosen word for MBTI.

But as you have imagined MBTI, that's not news to you.
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Old 7th-April-2010, 05:32 AM   Words's time 7th-April-2010, 05:32 AM    #15
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Chess...my experience of its is its main technique of memorization...
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Old 7th-April-2010, 05:33 AM   bluesquid's time 7th-April-2010, 12:34 AM    #16
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chess is about pattern recognition. Intuition is not used in chess. Need more?


Pattern recognition is used in every aspect of life, including chess. Every aspect of life is less or more demanding than life. Many more demanding aspects of life require more than pattern recognition. They require thought. i.e. independant thought. Intuition is thought. Intuition is irrational? yes?

therefore all intuition is not pattern recognition.

need more?

Pattern recognition is objective. Irrational thought, slightly less so(at least in my case). E or I, its alllllllll ooooouuuutttt tttthhhheeeerrrreeee
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