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Old 28th-September-2010, 12:09 PM   Melllvar's time 28th-September-2010, 06:09 AM    #1
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Ok, so posting new threads on a forum you're still getting used to while halfway-piss-drunk at 6 AM is probably not a good idea (I've learned from experience), but this just made me laugh so hard and think of all of you guys (by which I mean us):



I'm not sure whether this girl (Hannelore) reflects my dream woman, or some sort of sick satire of my failures with the opposite sex. Either way: *sigh*


I apologize, this thread never happened... really.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 12:16 PM   Anthile's time 28th-September-2010, 01:16 PM    #2
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...what's wrong with their ears?
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Old 28th-September-2010, 12:19 PM   Melllvar's time 28th-September-2010, 06:19 AM    #3
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I don't know, I'll have to analyze that tomorrow when I'm sober.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 01:22 PM   Cognisant's time 28th-September-2010, 11:22 PM    #4
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I was going to create another thread for this, and it's not specifically about dating.

Why is human interaction have to be so damn difficult?
Second panel, dude's comment, he's reassuring her, and he's able to reassure her because he's somehow aware of her emotional state, That's Hard, and people who are consistently funny can somehow read other people's conceptual world view, i.e. they know their joke is funny to the person they're telling it to, before they even tell it, how do they do that and still have their own minds?
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Old 28th-September-2010, 02:57 PM   Joohanh's time 28th-September-2010, 04:57 PM    #5
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Second panel, dude's comment, he's reassuring her, and he's able to reassure her because he's somehow aware of her emotional state, That's Hard, and people who are consistently funny can somehow read other people's conceptual world view, i.e. they know their joke is funny to the person they're telling it to, before they even tell it, how do they do that and still have their own minds?
These people are self-confident extroverts. It's useless trying to understand them.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 03:18 PM   Cognisant's time 29th-September-2010, 01:18 AM    #6
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I'm not sure whether this girl (Hannelore) reflects my dream woman, or some sort of sick satire of my failures with the opposite sex. Either way: *sigh*
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I concur, she is heartbreaking.

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Yeah I'm reading it backwards, for shame.

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Where are the women like this irl?
Oh right, hiding.

*wanders off mumbling something about constructing brain radar*
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Old 28th-September-2010, 04:15 PM   Adaire's time 28th-September-2010, 09:15 AM    #7
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As a present, here is the comic where Hannelore was first introduced.

She's rather flanderized though.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 06:23 PM   EyeSeeCold's time 28th-September-2010, 10:23 AM    #8
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Funny.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 06:41 PM   snafupants's time 28th-September-2010, 12:41 PM    #9
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in the end arent we all just searching for that ideal ratio of authenticity to artifice? whats her name (trixie, alex, zelda?), anyway, did she get way hotter in the last three slides solely through putting on her thinking cap? it would seem so...
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Old 28th-September-2010, 07:43 PM   DesertSmeagle's time 28th-September-2010, 02:43 PM    #10
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Dating is stupid. Whats the point if your not gonna get married. Probably just the sex. So just get sex buddies.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 08:44 PM   EyeSeeCold's time 28th-September-2010, 12:44 PM    #11
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Dating is stupid. Whats the point if your not gonna get married. Probably just the sex. So just get sex buddies.
How can you become familiar with someone if you don't join them in social activities?
You're mixing a bunch of conventions at once.

There are people who have one night stands for the sex.
There are people who date to check out the menu, not necessarily having sex.
There are people who date because they want a serious relationship, which encompasses sex.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 10:42 PM   Causeless's time 28th-September-2010, 05:42 PM    #12
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Can't I have a sex buddy who's also an unwaveringly loyal friend and teammate?
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Old 28th-September-2010, 10:56 PM   James Black's time 28th-September-2010, 05:56 PM    #13
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I'll be honest: I'm fine with one night stands, I'm fine with "just sex" relationships, and I'm fine with conventional relationships. I just like to know which one I'm in, or getting into, beforehand. I also try to make sure the other part of the relationship is aware of which beforehand, as well.

I'm in a conventional relationship at the moment, and this one looks like it'll last: the girl is amazing. (INFJ anyone?) They're the best kid of relationship, I believe, if you get lucky. I like having friends. I like having sex. I love having one person in my life fulfill both those roles without any annoying nuances.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 10:58 PM   Gather_Wanderer's time 28th-September-2010, 04:58 PM    #14
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Can't I have a sex buddy who's also an unwaveringly loyal friend and teammate?
...I think that's the ideal male INTP mate, with some intellectual capacity thrown in...It is for me, anyway.
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Old 28th-September-2010, 11:30 PM   Melllvar's time 28th-September-2010, 05:30 PM    #15
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Can't I have a sex buddy who's also an unwaveringly loyal friend and teammate?
You'd think so, but apparently society forbids it, for some reason.

Also, as far as having crushes on Questionable Content characters, I'm way more into Marigold :

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Old 29th-September-2010, 12:17 AM   SpaceYeti's time 28th-September-2010, 05:17 PM    #16
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Dating is stupid. Whats the point if your not gonna get married. Probably just the sex. So just get sex buddies.
What's the point of marriage except for your relationship to be supported by laws on taxes that now benefit you?
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Old 29th-September-2010, 12:31 AM   Words's time 29th-September-2010, 12:31 AM    #17
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Objectively, the prime importance of "dating" is located in information stimulation and intrigue, nowhere else. Coitus is a separate process established for a different purpose: biological obligation.

"Fun" is nature's tool for manipulation.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 12:53 AM   DesertSmeagle's time 28th-September-2010, 07:53 PM    #18
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ok, now ive changed my mind. I think itd be cool to have a really good friend who is a girl, and in the friendship we sex it up. Thatd be cool. But not quite gf bf. Just like, friend sex..friends with benefits. Or maybe a group of firneds who have orgys..oh yea.

If i was to date a girl, shed have to be my absolute best friend. Most guys date for sex and act to make the girl happy. Its terrible.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 03:34 AM   SpaceYeti's time 28th-September-2010, 08:34 PM    #19
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Why wouldn't you date for sex? Girls are less interesting than your male friends. The difference between women and men is that men have more in common with you, and women are fun to put your penis in.
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Why wouldn't you date for sex? Girls are less interesting than your male friends. The difference between women and men is that men have more in common with you, and women are fun to put your penis in.

Its funny how this is supposed to be a joke. Its actually quite true.
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Girls are less interesting than your male friends. The difference between women and men is that men have more in common with you, and women are fun to put your penis in.
If we added type in the equation, not necessarily. Four letters. Consider all males/females with letters: INTP. Consider all male/females with letters: ESFJ. There is too much relativity and "T" is not exactly direct "information" function.


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... I've ad libbed shit like that before.
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If we added type in the equation, not necessarily. Four letters. Consider all males/females with letters: INTP. Consider all male/females with letters: ESFJ. There is too much relativity and "T" is not exactly direct "information" function.




Optimal Specialization. (e.g. painters like to paint, soldiers like to soldier, actors like to act, sexors like to sex etc.)
Of course not necessarily. In general, though, it's true. How many women who share your interests do so in as synergistic a manner as your male friends? How many women share interests to the same degree as your male friends? In my humble experience, women are easier to get along with (because they like how your eyes look), but men are more satisfactory friends.
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Of course not necessarily. In general, though, it's true. How many women who share your interests do so in as synergistic a manner as your male friends? How many women share interests to the same degree as your male friends? In my humble experience, women are easier to get along with (because they like how your eyes look), but men are more satisfactory friends.
I actually thought you were joking. But yeah, my theory is that society created this unnecessary overgeneralization. If you looked into type, I think one may conclude that gender is not the only role in personality. The diversity of the inclinations themselves provide extensions of what the 'reality' is, which is that a person will find more connection with another person based entirely on personality instead of gender alone. And that superficial traits like race and sex only exhibits illusions to induce fallacious thinking. though, "experiences" or 'nurture' does affect psychology.
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Its funny how this is supposed to be a joke. Its actually quite true.
Heh, I used to think this was hilarious, it's pretty old now, though.

A little thing I noticed: typology has given us a reason to use the age-old declaration: "She's not my type".
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I actually thought you were joking. But yeah, my theory is that society created this unnecessary overgeneralization. If you looked into type, I think one may conclude that gender is not the only role in personality. The diversity of the inclinations themselves provide extensions of what the 'reality' is, which is that a person will find more connection with another person based entirely on personality instead of gender alone. And that superficial traits like race and sex only exhibits illusions to induce fallacious thinking. though, "experiences" or 'nurture' does affect psychology.
I find it silly to presume a person's gender stops at the "superficial" level. Men and women have wholly different biologies; different chemical makeups and even brains that we can distinguish the brain's former body's sex by. Men and women are different. I can't claim to have a full understanding of the manners in which they're different or that either is superior or inferior, but I certainly have my preferences and have noticed tendencies.
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I find it silly to presume a person's gender stops at the "superficial" level. Men and women have wholly different biologies; different chemical makeups and even brains that we can distinguish the brain's former body's sex by. Men and women are different.
Hm, yes I have overlooked this. Perhaps it is a rational generalization.
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Even just being superficially different affects people psychologically.
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Penis goes into vagina.
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Id like to see a thread thats about male/female sex drive..why are males sex drives so much higher than most females? This is a nature vs nuture thing. Are females brought up to think that sex is wrong but for males its ok? or do males have a greater urge to get rid of excess semen when girls have none. It doesnt seem fair to women that some men get wet dreams to get rid of excessevery month or so, but women get homrone fluxuations and blood.
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Its funny how this is supposed to be a joke. Its actually quite true.
Somehow I doubt that guy gets laid as often as he claims.
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Id like to see a thread thats about male/female sex drive..why are males sex drives so much higher than most females? This is a nature vs nuture thing. Are females brought up to think that sex is wrong but for males its ok? or do males have a greater urge to get rid of excess semen when girls have none. It doesnt seem fair to women that some men get wet dreams to get rid of excessevery month or so, but women get homrone fluxuations and blood.
I think it has to do with Se (I had a thread about this some time ago). The higher Se is on the function hierarchy the greater the sex drive. Thus ESTPs, ESFPs, ISTPs, and ISFPs get laid the most.

Yea females are pressured to be "ladylike", when it's actually the most natural thing in the world to want to express your sexuality. For guys it's mostly an instinctual thing and also repression.
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Id like to see a thread thats about male/female sex drive..why are males sex drives so much higher than most females? This is a nature vs nuture thing. Are females brought up to think that sex is wrong but for males its ok? or do males have a greater urge to get rid of excess semen when girls have none. It doesnt seem fair to women that some men get wet dreams to get rid of excessevery month or so, but women get homrone fluxuations and blood.
I wish I could find the studies, but I'm too lazy to look, now. I remember reading, however, that when the same amount of testosterone is introduced into a woman as a man of that proportional mass normally has, her immediate sex drive is similar to that of a man.
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Somehow I doubt that guy gets laid as often as he claims.
I don't, he's confident & direct, all he has to do is play the numbers.

Reverse the situation, suppose someone was practically throwing themself at you, so long as she isn't diseased/hideous/whatever it’s only a matter of time and probability before her proposition catches you in a willing mood.

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Id like to see a thread thats about male/female sex drive..why are males sex drives so much higher than most females? This is a nature vs nuture thing. Are females brought up to think that sex is wrong but for males its ok? or do males have a greater urge to get rid of excess semen when girls have none. It doesnt seem fair to women that some men get wet dreams to get rid of excessevery month or so, but women get homrone fluxuations and blood.
I always thought this seemed a little silly, and obvious, but maybe that's from growing up on a farm.

You only need one rooster for so many hens in a chicken coop, and really, the same principle holds throughout the animal kingdom - one male can potentially get several females pregnant per day / week, however, females can only get pregnant once, and have to wait 9 months until they could even start trying again.

If males had a 9 month cycle as well, we'd potentially not be a very persistent species, as the cycles could vastly miss each other (especially considering despite trying some people don't get pregnant right when they want. Also why I said potentially get several females pregnant :P)

I could just be a rambling idiot though, speaking from nowhere.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 06:39 AM   Firehazard159's time 28th-September-2010, 11:39 PM    #37
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I don't, he's confident & direct, all he has to do is play the numbers.

Reverse the situation, suppose someone was practically throwing themself at you, so long as she isn't diseased/hideous/whatever itís only a matter of time and probability before her proposition catches you in a willing mood.
As much as this upsets me, it's too true.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 06:12 PM   SpaceYeti's time 29th-September-2010, 11:12 AM    #38
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As much as this upsets me, it's too true.
Why does it upset you?
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Old 29th-September-2010, 06:38 PM   kantor1003's time 29th-September-2010, 06:39 PM    #39
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Why wouldn't you date for sex? Girls are less interesting than your male friends. The difference between women and men is that men have more in common with you, and women are fun to put your penis in.
You male chauvinistic pig!

Haha, awesome post. Always nice when people are straight up.. sure it's a little exaggerated, or put on the edge, obviously.
SpaceYeti, you'd better live this and not be all "in love" as soon as you get to stick your penis inside some girl, refusing to meet your friends to spend some "quality time" at home with "your" "sweetheart", if not, this post is just hypocritical, self boosting garbage.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 06:47 PM   SpaceYeti's time 29th-September-2010, 11:47 AM    #40
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You male chauvinistic pig!

Haha, awesome post. Always nice when people are straight up.. sure it's a little exaggerated, or put on the edge, obviously.
SpaceYeti, you'd better live this and not be all "in love" as soon as you get to stick your penis inside some girl, refusing to meet your friends to spend some "quality time" at home with "your" "sweetheart", if not, this post is just hypocritical, self boosting garbage.
Actually, I'm engaged. However, she knows that if she tries to get me to do something with her instead of my friends, it'll just make me angry and I'll do what I planned anyhow. That's high school BS, and if I can avoid it in high school, I can avoid it afterwords. Any woman who wants you to stop being who you are isn't worth it.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 06:58 PM   kantor1003's time 29th-September-2010, 06:58 PM    #41
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I agree. Why are you engaged btw? Also if/when you got/get the opportunity, as you say, to have some fun and put your penis inside some other girl, would you do it?
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Old 29th-September-2010, 07:14 PM   cheese's time 30th-September-2010, 05:15 AM    #42
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According to his blog, yeah. But there's some pretty good boobage there.
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Because my world view differs from yours. A relationship isn't about just sticking it in a girl, to me. I could do entirely without sex - I'd rather not - but it's just that low on importance to me.

I don't understanding dating to have sex. So, rather than asking why wouldn't you date to have sex, I'd have to ask the reverse - Why date just to have sex? It's pointless, and not even that amazing.
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Good lord this was funny.
Reading through the posts here, and assuming there are more INTPs than not (don't think any ladies have posted either..), I'm surprised at how varied our views are in this department. Some dudes just don't give a ***k and maybe just want to ***k. The other dudes are all sappy and whatnot....

Not having a laugh at the latter group, because I may be in it.
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Old 29th-September-2010, 11:58 PM   Melllvar's time 29th-September-2010, 05:58 PM    #45
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Because my world view differs from yours. A relationship isn't about just sticking it in a girl, to me. I could do entirely without sex - I'd rather not - but it's just that low on importance to me.

I don't understanding dating to have sex. So, rather than asking why wouldn't you date to have sex, I'd have to ask the reverse - Why date just to have sex? It's pointless, and not even that amazing.
Despite not being the one being asked, I'd have to say it upsets me because of the competition factor. I get sick of seeing girls I would have liked hooking up with arrogant, overconfident douchebags with nothing to back it up simply because they're assertive and "play the odds." Not to be arrogant, but based on past experience, when girls actually do give me a chance (on either a sexual or romantic level) it usually ends up going pretty well, but it rarely gets to that point. I remember someone once saying, "Girls decide whether or not they're going to fuck a guy within the first five minutes of meeting him. After that they just think, 'I hope he doesn't do something stupid to screw it up.'"

And on a side note, what's with the dichotomy between casual sex and relationships? I'll take sex when I can get it, usually, but I find the experience is actually more pleasurable when there is some kind of mental/emotional connection.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a reason no girls are posting in this thread. In fact we've probably already all ruined our forum-cred w/ the female members just by posting here.
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I agree. Why are you engaged btw? Also if/when you got/get the opportunity, as you say, to have some fun and put your penis inside some other girl, would you do it?
She's the mother of my child, she'll do whatever I tell her to, I have things in common with her, etc. I like to think I wouldn't, but, historically speaking, if a chick dances naked on me... well, I only have so much will-power. Of course, I have more than when I was 16. Much more.
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Because my world view differs from yours. A relationship isn't about just sticking it in a girl, to me. I could do entirely without sex - I'd rather not - but it's just that low on importance to me.

I don't understanding dating to have sex. So, rather than asking why wouldn't you date to have sex, I'd have to ask the reverse - Why date just to have sex? It's pointless, and not even that amazing.
I never said to date for exclusively sex. It is, however, a very important aspect of dating. For me. I cannot comprehend sex being so unimportant to you, and you cannot understand it being so important to me, but why does it bother you? I mean, if it's unimportant to you, that's fine. It doesn't upset me. That's your preference. Why does it upset you when people have different preferences than you?
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Despite not being the one being asked, I'd have to say it upsets me because of the competition factor. I get sick of seeing girls I would have liked hooking up with arrogant, overconfident douchebags with nothing to back it up simply because they're assertive and "play the odds." Not to be arrogant, but based on past experience, when girls actually do give me a chance (on either a sexual or romantic level) it usually ends up going pretty well, but it rarely gets to that point. I remember someone once saying, "Girls decide whether or not they're going to fuck a guy within the first five minutes of meeting him. After that they just think, 'I hope he doesn't do something stupid to screw it up.'"

And on a side note, what's with the dichotomy between casual sex and relationships? I'll take sex when I can get it, usually, but I find the experience is actually more pleasurable when there is some kind of mental/emotional connection.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a reason no girls are posting in this thread. In fact we've probably already all ruined our forum-cred w/ the female members just by posting here.
It upsets you, to use less words than you, because people you don't like get laid instead of you?

I'm not too sure about that dichotomy, either. It baffles me, but I've learned to just deal with it. People are weird.

If a girl wouldn't have sex with me due to my sharing my honest opinion openly, why would I care? If I can't get laid while being honest, why would I want to get laid by lying. I want a chick to have sex with me, not some character I'm playing.
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Old 30th-September-2010, 12:25 AM   DesertSmeagle's time 29th-September-2010, 07:25 PM    #49
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It upsets you, to use less words than you, because people you don't like get laid instead of you?

I'm not too sure about that dichotomy, either. It baffles me, but I've learned to just deal with it. People are weird.

If a girl wouldn't have sex with me due to my sharing my honest opinion openly, why would I care? If I can't get laid while being honest, why would I want to get laid by lying. I want a chick to have sex with me, not some character I'm playing.
I agree. Ive never been laid before. No girls like the quiet guy. Am i that ugly? I dont think so. Well, hopefully cymbalta allows me to unleash my personality on the world. If you honest and just go around asking girls to have sex with you, im sure that you will get at least one girl too. I think that strategy is worth a try. Girlfriend boyfriend relation is dumb. It really is. I think that....fuck it doesnt matter what i think ..I know nothing about relationships. Ive never felt that emotion before.
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Old 30th-September-2010, 12:36 AM   kantor1003's time 30th-September-2010, 12:36 AM    #50
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If you honest and just go around asking girls to have sex with you, im sure that you will get at least one girl too. I think that strategy is worth a try.
Unless you have great social status, you wont get sex from other than drunk, desperate, often ugly girls. Ie, if you come down from stage after playing a set with your band in front of a 2-300 cheering audience, you could probably go ask a girl straight up if she wanted sex with you with decent success.. if you are sitting alone at some pub and suddenly go up to a girl asking her if she wants to have sex, it will most likely fail.
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