e_e am I ENTP?

[Kormak]

I relate way too much to this description: https://www.16personalities.com/entp-personality

e_e also to this... I like messing with ppl for the .. lulz .. or just doing things that provoke ppl to thought, devil's advocatin.. shiet.

"Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of ’crack-pot’ than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost. " <== gospel.

I never think an idea is good unless I argued with several ppl over it.. the process itself is invaluable to me, its how I think..

 

[Rebis]

It's normal for INTPs to seek mental stimulus, you're just envoking a debater's skill set to get that mental stimulation. It depends on whether you're falsifying an entire opinion to advocate the devil in others or you're expressing a half baked opinion with the hopes someone will debate your point, so you can develop your opinion better through thought or you can gain a person's insight.

 

[Rebis]

I actually get bored debating topics multiple times, Repetition is boring and I rarely get a unique opinion. It is appreciated when I do, however.

 

[Kormak]

It's normal for INTPs to seek mental stimulus, you're just envoking a debater's skill set to get that mental stimulation. It depends on whether you're falsifying an entire opinion to advocate the devil in others or you're expressing a half baked opinion with the hopes someone will debate your point, so you can develop your opinion better through thought or you can gain a person's insight.

"The Debater personality type is the ultimate devil’s advocate, thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs and letting the ribbons drift in the wind for all to see. Debaters don’t do this because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun. No one loves the process of mental sparring more than Debaters, as it gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points. " <=== this. 100% this. 9000% this.

e_e I may be dum, but man it never stops me.

"An odd juxtaposition arises with Debaters, as they are uncompromisingly honest, but will argue tirelessly for something they don’t actually believe in, stepping into another’s shoes to argue a truth from another perspective." 8DDDDD yessss

"Debaters’ capacity for debate can be a vexing one – while often appreciated when it’s called for, it can fall painfully flat when they step on others’ toes by say, openly questioning their boss in a meeting, or picking apart everything their significant other says. " <== oh man.. shit I do this a lot.

 

[Rebis]

It's normal for INTPs to seek mental stimulus, you're just envoking a debater's skill set to get that mental stimulation. It depends on whether you're falsifying an entire opinion to advocate the devil in others or you're expressing a half baked opinion with the hopes someone will debate your point, so you can develop your opinion better through thought or you can gain a person's insight.

"The Debater personality type is the ultimate devil’s advocate, thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs and letting the ribbons drift in the wind for all to see. Debaters don’t do this because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun. No one loves the process of mental sparring more than Debaters, as it gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points. " <=== this. 100% this. 9000% this.

e_e I may be dum, but man it never stops me.

Is your proclivity to call yourself dumb also a form of devil's advocate?

"Kormak you idiot"
"Actually I have a very specific set of skills.... * derails whole argument* "

 

[Kormak]

Is your proclivity to call yourself dumb also a form of devil's advocate?

"Kormak you idiot"
"Actually I have a very specific set of skills.... * derails whole argument* "

<.< when did I derail? I always post relevant information even if it seems unrelated to others.
cough humblebrag.... narcissistic undertones cough

 

[Tenacity]

Possibly, actually.

ENTPs are hilarious to me in real life, they love to ramble on, are highly intelligent, highly proactive, amazing idea people, they are way more idealistic than I am, can manage to contradict themselves, and even after I've derived a conclusion, they still manage to debate it for no apparent reason.

I think the ENTP motto would be something like "I have to win this debate" even if no debate exists.

 

[Kormak]

Possibly, actually.

ENTPs are hilarious to me in real life, they love to ramble on, are highly intelligent, highly proactive, amazing idea people, they are way more idealistic than I am, can manage to contradict themselves, and even after I've derived a conclusion, they still manage to debate it for no apparent reason.

Probably because its fun to do so ^^;

 

[Tenacity]

Consider the context of this environment, though, we may type falsely as "E" just because we feel in connection with others.

 

[Kormak]

Consider the context of this environment, though, we may type falsely as "E" just because we feel in connection with others.

Hmm yeah, but consider what I did to Cognisant ...<.< I started arguing in favor of Christianity for the hell of it. ^^; didn't expect he'd blow up, but it revealed underlying hurt feels he has. Was fruitful and interesting, to say the least.

Even here online, you guys seem more serious than I can ever be.

 

[Rebis]

Possibly, actually.

ENTPs are hilarious to me in real life, they love to ramble on, are highly intelligent, highly proactive, amazing idea people, they are way more idealistic than I am, can manage to contradict themselves, and even after I've derived a conclusion, they still manage to debate it for no apparent reason.

I think the ENTP motto would be something like "I have to win this debate" even if no debate exists.

I knew an ENTP, not many people liked him and he argued to the moon and back. It was hard to get a point across to him without him interupting me, had ADHD too.

 

[Kormak]

The ILE finds it difficult to get himself to do uninteresting, tedious work simply out of responsibility. If he has to, he will acutely feel his own lack of discipline. Thus the ILE is more comfortable when he has a flexible schedule and is free to pursue whatever seems most interesting to him at the moment.

The ILE is typically only able to sustain short periods of strenuous activity.

ILEs are uninterested in forcing people to do things, and are not keen on those who impose their will on others, so they do not take well to direct commands. They often detest authority exercised in this way, and will often challenge abuses of power. When backed into a corner by an aggressive Se, the often harmless appearing ILE will immediately rise to meet the threat and strike it down with carefully crafted ease. The impact the ILE has on society is usually through his understanding of how the world works rather than a position of material influence. For example, an ILE might rather advise a person in power than hold an official position of high authority. He will only take such a position if it is necessary (and if no one else will do so).

e_e oh man why haven't I looked at this be4... its more accurate for me than the LII one... odd.

Enjoy lively, animated and fun interaction with people, but tend to be unemotional when left on their own. However, he is not inclined to create this atmosphere himself but can create situations where there is a good chance that others will take the emotional initiative and create a fun and emotionally stimulating atmosphere. Failure at such attempts are met with dismay, which the individual either hides or reacts to with frustration and annoyance.

Hmm... Fe seems rather spot on as well. I never really got the idea tho be4 coming here. Maybe I had nothing to really compare it to?

How the fuck tho? I never in my life tested extrovert.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Ne, the ENTP dominant function is extroverted iNtuition, which, intuition, is introverted in nature. ENTP is just an inside out INTP, if you see their cognitive functions. Ti-Ne, Si-Fe into Ne-Ti, Fe-Si. They're mostly similar but generally an ENTP is more goofy. Both are more or less inept at creating an emotional connection however, due to having a low sense of Se and Ni.

 

[Kormak]

Ne, the ENTP dominant function is extroverted iNtuition, which, intuition, is introverted in nature. ENTP is just an inside out INTP, if you see their cognitive functions. Ti-Ne, Si-Fe into Ne-Ti, Fe-Si. They're mostly similar but generally an ENTP is more goofy. Both are more or less inept at creating an emotional connection however, due to having a low sense of Se and Ni.

There is a dichotomie that seperates INTP from ENTP, namely Yielding vs Obstionate.

Yielding types consider resources to be sacred and ideas to be freely manilulated. This is why the ENTP can easily play around with ideas and devil's advocate, turn ideas on their heads for sport. Its something I do. Yielding types, if they lack the personal resources to acheave an idea (time, skill, effort, natural ability, physical resources) :P they won't.. they give up and move on to play on their strengths. This is typical of me.

Obstinate types like INTP however consider ideas to be sacred. INTPs will have certain ideas that they defend to the bone. They consider resources to be freely manipulable, meaning if they lack the resources to do some idea they have, they will work on improving the resources until they are adequate. This entirely depends on how important that idea is, if it's sacred, well they will just pursue it.

Esentially this leads to ENTPs having a wide spectrum of knowlege that in many places is shallower and INTPs having specific narrower spectrum of knowlege where they acheave mastery. Jack of all trades vs specialist.

There is also the rational vs irrational dichotomie.

Irrational doms aka first function being a perceiving one (includes IxxJs in MBTI) tend to being flexible in their thinking. Rational doms (includes IXXP in MBTI) are stubburn in their thinking. Think INFPs being true to who they are..

^^; I'm so damn flexible I'll consider the other side of the argument for sport or just to see how it holds up.

There are only 2 types that are yielding, reasonable (aka they postpone making decisions), irrational and only one is NT: ENTP and ISFJ.

e_e this never made sense to me, because I'm not a social happy go lucky person.. therfor INTP... cus I suck at expressing Fe... and am probably worse at routine and physical maintanance (2 things which are the ISFJ's forte points, which is why they are called "caregivers").

Come to think of it, the routine part always bothered me about Phlegmatic-Choleric ...e_e I suck at routine. I'm a chaotic mess ffs..

 

[Polaris]

This is one of the few times I have actually been more or less sure of someone's apparent type (online). You do strike me as a typical Ne dom, the way you dump information, images and links, the way you seek out people to battle with, seemingly more for your own entertainment rather than some overarching need for "truth", poking and prodding people, and just generally more Fe (contact seeking in the form of debate). Your style is rather similar to TimeAsylums, another very typical ENTP who used to frequent this forum.

Adorable and infuriating all at once

 

[Kormak]

This is one of the few times I have actually been more or less sure of someone's apparent type (online). You do strike me as a typical Ne dom, the way you dump information, images and links, the way you seek out people to battle with, seemingly more for your own entertainment rather than some overarching need for "truth", poking and prodding people, and just generally more Fe (contact seeking in the form of debate). Your style is rather similar to TimeAsylums, another very typical ENTP who used to frequent this forum. Adorable and infuriating all at once

:/ yeah..

There is a saying about ENTPs : arguing with an ENTP is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.

e_e 100% that pig I am. I came back to typology... here to this forum... because i missed debating/arguing with ppl and I was bored to tears IRL.. fuck.

 

[Polaris]

^Hehe, your almost instant reply also seems very Ne.

...oh, wait...

 

[Rebis]

I'm an ABCD with an auxilary function of E minor.

 

[Kormak]

I'm an ABCD with an auxilary function of E minor.

eNTP it is :/ ... damn.

 

[Rebis]

I'm an ABCD with an auxilary function of E minor.

eNTP it is :/ ... damn.

I disagree with the vehemence of a 1,000 raging suns. If you somehow submit to my will by complying with my opinion, well... I disagree with your submissiveness lack of integrity.

 

[Kormak]

I disagree with the vehemence of a 1,000 raging suns. If you somehow submit to my will by complying with my opinion, well... I disagree with your submissiveness lack of integrity.

lmao

e_e I think I made a mistake due to my inability get over the social aspect of extroversion, which in my case seems to mainly manifest in a need to belong to something greater than myself, along with non Se related social activity, which is not abundant in my immediate surroundings. ego smego, mistakes have to be corrected. (afk... going home from werk)

 

[Tenacity]

@Kormak
Yeah, I see the ENTP here.
Spoke with one today IRL. The amount of wildness in conversational direction was truly something.
People likely have an "external facing" type and an online forum type.

@Rebis is certainly ABCD. I'm not sure about E minor though, I heard he was a G.

 

[Kormak]

I wonder if this explains the high-speed chaotic puzzle assembly-like thinking I have. I don't have any stable internal structure, its more like I quickly grasp ideas, have a macro overview and just throw the ideas into this "closet"-space in my head (little to no organization). My memory has never been that good, but my in the moment problem solving is something I'm proud of.

 

[Tenacity]

I wonder if this explains the high-speed chaotic puzzle assembly-like thinking I have. I don't have any stable internal structure, its more like I quickly grasp ideas, have a macro overview and just throw the ideas into this "closet"-space in my head (little to no organization). My memory has never been that good, but my in the moment problem solving is something I'm proud of.

Very close to the ENTP I spoke with. We've known each other for many years.

IME ENTPs naturally go off on tangents, so much divergent thinking that it is sometimes incomprehensible to a lot of people, but I've learned to condense it somehow.

This is the typical conversation:

Me (Probably INTJ): Okay, [statement in direct alignment with goal].

ENTP: Kajnsdkajnsfnaksjnfkajnsfkjanskjfn kajsndkjasnfkjnasfn kjnskdfa.

Me: Yeah, but--

ENTP: YOU DIDN'T LET ME FINISH

Me: ...Okay fine it didn't seem like you were getting anywhere, go ahead.

ENTP: sljdnfksdjnf, then, kjsdnfksdjn. also, ksjdnfksdjnfkjsndf. skjdnfksjd.
Sljdnfksjdfnksjdnf....
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(Goes on forever)

Me: Okay, so... You mean, [clear statement in direct alignment with similar or different goal].

ENTP: No! Alsjfnkng skdjnfjsndkfjnsdf skdjfnskdjfnsdf.
Sljdnfksjdfnksjdnf....
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(Goes on forever)
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Me: ...This is going nowhere. [Question]

ENTP:
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Sljdnfksjdfnksjdnf....
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(Goes on forever)

Me: WAIT-- So, you mean [new statement in alignment with same or revised or new goal].

ENTP: YEAH THAT IS AMAZING. But you have to do it this way, because-

Me: Nah, that wont work, thought about it years more than you have.

ENTP: Well why not? Askjdfnksjndgkjsndgs
Alsjfnkng skdjnfjsndkfjnsdf skdjfnskdjfnsdf.
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(Goes on forever)

Me: It won't work that way. I've already thought about it.

ENTP: [argues because is upset conversation was not "won"]

Me: Okay bye.

 

[Rebis]

I disagree with the vehemence of a 1,000 raging suns. If you somehow submit to my will by complying with my opinion, well... I disagree with your submissiveness lack of integrity.

lmao

e_e I think I made a mistake due to my inability get over the social aspect of extroversion, which in my case seems to mainly manifest in a need to belong to something greater than myself, along with non Se related social activity, which is not abundant in my immediate surroundings. ego smego, mistakes have to be corrected. (afk... going home from werk)

I think I'm very fluid to people's personality: talking to an INTP/INTJ I become an ENTP because the best way I'll grasp who they are is through provocation. Maybe not the best, but certainly the fastest. After all I'm not going to drill for gold in a sunken hole. INTJ/ENTJ Boisterous jokes work well. ENTJ? Throw them emotions in the water, they want to destroy you. ENFJ? They like your weirdness so just talk about small, bitesize ideas. Superficial weird things, in other words.

I have a lot of mental energy so adapting to others isn't too taxing, I've always got my own ideas in the background. When I get a few sleepless nights or I'm drinking too much I usually don't have indispensable energy to resonate with others.

 

[Tenacity]

talking to an INTP/INTJ I become an ENTP because the best way I'll grasp who they are is through provocation.

Yeah. Provocation very rarely works for me.

 

[Kormak]

I think I'm very fluid to people's personality: talking to an INTP/INTJ I become an ENTP because the best way I'll grasp who they are is through provocation. Maybe not the best, but certainly the fastest. After all I'm not going to drill for gold in a sunken hole. INTJ/ENTJ Boisterous jokes work well. ENTJ? Throw them emotions in the water, they want to destroy you. ENFJ? They like your weirdness so just talk about small, bitesize ideas. Superficial weird things, in other words.

I have a lot of mental energy so adapting to others isn't too taxing, I've always got my own ideas in the background. When I get a few sleepless nights or I'm drinking too much I usually don't have indispensable energy to resonate with others.

Sounds like Fe.

I do something similar with ppl. I adapt to them in how I express myself. Over time I pick up quirks from them (it rubs off on me) and over even more time thee quirks evolve into my own version of them.

For example, in my university days I had a gf who was very into anime (never seen an anime be4 her tbh, we dated for like 3 years.. lol) and she was a rather emotive strange person both irl and in text. O.o which rubbed off on me rather fast.. hmm I guess that was part of her charm, the quirkiness.

 

[Rebis]

Sounds like Fe.

I do something similar with ppl. I adapt to them in how I express myself. Over time I pick up quirks from them (it rubs off on me) and over even more time thee quirks evolve into my own version of them.

For example, in my university days I had a gf who was very into anime (never seen an anime be4 her tbh, we dated for like 3 years.. lol) and she was a rather emotive strange person both irl and in text. O.o which rubbed off on me rather fast.. hmm I guess that was part of her charm, the quirkiness.

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It's adaptive Fe though. If I'm not sleeping well, inflammed or hungover my ability to relate to people is non-existent and my emotional state is trash.

I used to see this girl Rhiannon, she epitomized this song:


I've listened to this song 100s of times when we stopped talking. She contributed a lot to my extraverted side, she took little introverted me and put me under her wing. She's like an archetype for my personal growth, a source of inspiration though not so much now, she still holds an important position in my development. In irish mythology Rhiannon was the lady of the lake before vivienne and she stayed true to the mythos: Goddess of the moon/night, queen of the elves (she holds a lot of natural beauty despite partying alot, not fussed on diet and doesn't work out, that elvish neglible senescence). While my name is Cullen, derivative of Cu chulainn an Irish warrior who also has pretty interesting tales like cooking a salmon that posessed the knowledge of the world, he cooked it for an old man because he didn't want to posess that knowledge, but upon burning his finger upon inspection and sucking his thumb after he posessed the knowledge of the world. So there seemed to be a divine unity on top of an individual one, resembling the unity of opposites. Good times.