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It all makes sense to me now. I understand everything.

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I am alone. How I got this way has absolutely baffled me up until now. In short, it is because I have become too smart.

Recently I have made threads on different forums where I felt that I reached my life's peak of clarity (and it is only rising). This is the problem. What really struck me about a lot of these threads was people wanting to give me advice.

"What stupid advice!" I would say. I didn't even ask for it. Why were all these people trying to give me advice? And crappy advice at that--stuff any idiot would think of.

I realize now, it had nothing to do with the content of what was being said. It all had to do with attitudes and authority and such. In my excessive INTPness, I made the egregious mistake of thinking that people actually ever cared about anything other than socializing.

This hurts. I feel like my head is going to explode. I see this truth, but I cannot realign myself to it. People would call me stubborn. People would say it is my ego. I don't see it like that. All I ever wanted was to say what I meant. If something is true, how can I pretend it is not, just to make someone else feel important?

This understanding is almost a curse. It is to the point where I get thrown out of places instead of people who are blatant idiots that I come into conflict with. Other people prefer the idiot to me!

It is because people like feeling smart. They like being able to give advice. They liked being asked questions. The content of all of this is almost completely irrelevant. All people want is to feel good about themselves.

If you want someone to like you, just act dumb. It's that simple. They will gladly take on the role of advice-giver. The dumber you act, the more they will love it. Just make sure you seem interested in whatever advice they give, unconditionally. It doesn't even matter if you ever follow it, really. Just act like you're too dumb. The only thing they need is to hear themselves give advice. They never get tired of it. Never.

Such people will grow to depend on you without even realizing it. You make them feel smart. You make them feel important. They don't even see it when you've got them in the palm of your hand and they start doing everything you ever wanted them to do, thinking all the while that it is their idea, that they are your benevolent benefactor.

Ha. Fuck that is funny. So true. Nice one, Amine.

Damn right I just complimented myself. If no one else is gonna, I will. BECAUSE I DESERVE IT.

Let's see.... I guess that's the main gist of it. I could probably classify some of these ego-maniacal people for your future reference. Here goes.

1. The advice whore. This is most people. It doesn't matter if you asked a question or not (but if you did, great). If what you say even remotely hints that something bothers you, this person will jump in with some sort of tip or advice. Their advice is complete common sense at best. You might say "I want to make friends" and they will be like "try to dress nice and have good hygiene, compliment people, and ask them questions about themselves." WELL DUH. It is hilarious that people actually think they are wise for giving this kind of bullshit advice. It sickens me, though, how wise some of them think they are for being so well-versed and eloquent in conventional wisdom. It really perpetuates the status quo. The majority of the time, however, the advice given is fragmented, incoherent nonsense that only the advice-giver himself understands because they are only speaking from their own limited experience, like they are giving themselves advice about something that relates to them and not you. The effect, though, is the same. If you want control, just pretend you think it is good advice and ask them more about it. Sometimes, advice can actually be good, and that tends to require specialized knowledge. I had a back injury and someone recommended a specific yoga stretch. This was good advice. I have less of a problem with this kind of advice.

2. The confused guy. Look, we all want to be important, no matter how little we know. Some people know very little. That doesn't stop them from rearing their ugly heads in scientific and philosophical discussions. Despite the fact that they have not bothered to educate themselves whatsoever in the prior knowledge of these fields, they come in with their own trite-ass opinions that generalize everything to a ridiculous degree. They frequently show up as those people who deny absolutes. "No one can ever know anything" they echo. No, moron, just because you are ignorant and confused as hell doesn't mean everyone else is. They also like to claim everyone's opinion is equal and they get a big ego about how egalitarian they are, but it is really just because they can't differentiate between nonsense and truth. They'll be like, "I have respect for both sides of the political spectrum," or "everything is just an opinion", or "I think there is truth to every religion" or "we need to respect everyone's beliefs." The problem is that they have no concept of just how stupid some beliefs are, how worthy of derision. These people hate confidence, unconditionally. That's because they are so devoid of it themselves. In arguments, it is what they will specifically address--it's not that you are wrong and here's why, it's that "you believe in absolutes".

3. The mystic. Related to the confused guy in their absolute refusal to lift a finger and learn some field, mysticism is a super-awesome shortcut to convincing yourself you know important things about the universe. Physics is boring and incomplete. Why study the actual details when you can instead make a bunch of grand statements about existence without ever having done a thing? Why study psychology when you can just posit some transcendent state that comes (apparently) from positing some transcendent state? The mystic loves to dress up the most stupifyingly empty statements in ethereal terms, as if this gives them any weight. To some people, it evidently does. That's because they are completely unconcerned with reality. All they care about is perception. The sexier something sounds, the better, and god damn any "information" that gets in the way. These people make an active effort to banish information completely. They write thousand-word posts that communicate virtually nothing but grandiosity. Reason and rationality absolutely ruin their little party, and they specifically make themselves immune to such things. Rationality is of a lower level, they say. Nonetheless, they are incredibly happy to throw in their two cents whenever they can, asked for or not.

4. The loser. Initially, this person may try to actually meet you at the level of content, but once you prove them wrong, instead of shutting up, they begin to criticize your character. The really stealthy ones will wait to do it in other threads. You'll post something totally innocuous and suddenly all these people come out of the woodwork with negativity (usually manifested in short, offhand posts that contain a toxic one-liner) because they saw you win some argument in another thread and they want to take you down a peg and make sure everyone is on equal ground. They want to influence everyone else's perception and make sure no one thinks you are clever. That's what their main strength is, because we all have an inherent desire to guard our reputation, so we question their criticism and defend ourselves, but this person will continue with their bitterness no matter what and drag you down until you actually look worse than they do. This is because you wind up correctly identifying them as an asshole, while they slip by under the guise of honestly-unconvinced-person. Make no mistake, though, they are highly disingenuous. They don't intend on listening. Don't make the mistake of engaging the loser.

5. The hair-splitter. This annoying chap reads a post and, should he notice that it is highly coherent or insightful, takes it upon himself to miss the point and attack tangential details. Maybe the details were a little off, but the overall message is still clear. This doesn't matter to the hair splitter. He doesn't like to know that someone smart is out there who isn't him. To refrain from replying in this sort of situation doesn't even occur to him. His automatic response is to make sure he is the center of attention and no one takes the smart-guy spotlight away from him.

6. The cool. Don't ever look like you care about anything--the cool guy finds that distasteful. The more malicious cousin of the confused guy, the cool guy takes pleasure in being unattached from discussions and cherry picking remarks from posts by people who are actually engaged. They love trying to make snarky one liners that aren't funny, but seem like they could be if you were cool enough to really get it. Someone might write a fairly long, involved post in which they honestly try to present some thesis, and the cool guy, who tends to always be one of the first to reply, submits some offhand post that has nothing to do with the topic but apparently makes some joke about it. No one really knows how to react to the cool guy. You feel like you've been insulted, but neither your point, nor even your character, were addressed at all. It is indeed the cool guy's intention to belittle, and perhaps in this way he is related to the loser, but stealthier, more deniable, and more generalized. While the loser has a specific problem with one person he feels inferior to, the cool guy doesn't really care who he is insulting as long as they aren't one of the more reputable members of the crowd. He is less about taking someone down than boosting himself up.

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Ok I am getting tired of this. I guess I have done enough. The point is that these people are all incredibly, outrageously, spectacularly easy to manipulate because they share 1 simple commonality--they want to be recognized and made to feel important whether it is warranted or not and regardless of the topic of discussion. If you so happen to lack the pride and stubbornness required to submit to and flatter them, you'll have them eating from the palm of your hand in no time.
 

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...Sounds like you had a hell of a day / week / month / year / life.

So are you dominating these people yet? Now that you know how they work?
 

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No. I'd like to, but I just don't have it in me. It is too tiresome. I'm not Frank Underwood.
 

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Maybe if I were an ENTJ I would be able to. They have inferior Fi, right? Doesn't that mean they can just ruthlessly manipulate the fuck out of people without mercy or concern for humanity?

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One thing that I've noticed to prove all of this is how much less popular I've gotten among the crowd as I have aged. When I was in high school and college and didn't know as much about the world, I had no problem looking up to people and being the submissive. Now I see everyone as dicks. I used to be the "confused guy".

Actually there was a sort of sincerity about it. I confess, I used to actually read topics on forums like this. Now I just skim the OP, then post whatever I think without reading anything else, like ever. It's all crap. Lol.
 

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You must not get out much.

Cool guy, out. :smoker:
 

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You know what's worse than bad advice? Sympathy. Sympathy sucks.

I completely agree with what you're saying too; socially I'm the most relaxed uninvolved and clueless to what's going around me. That's how I'm perceived at least and people genuinely believe I'm stupid. Beyond stupid most of the time. This isn't down to me intentionally acting dumb either; I just don't engage with people I don't want to engage with unless I have to, even then it's minimal. People clever enough will realize I'm misunderstood but the vast majority don't and I find it hilarious for the most part.

It all works on a spectrum though; completely statistical. The majority of people will have an average intelligence, IQ is a good indicator but isn't concrete. So the average is more likely to find equal intelligence to befriend etc. Anyone below that will often be taken advantage of in some way and ridiculed. Same applies to people above the average. Although as you say they have the benefit of either acting or appearing less intelligent than they are to fit in more easily with the majority.
 

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You must not get out much.

Cool guy, out. :smoker:

Ha. I got a chuckle out of that. Well done. That is the sort of thing the cool guy says. Or maybe the loser. The cool guy is a little more jokey.

You know what's worse than bad advice? Sympathy. Sympathy sucks.

I completely agree with what you're saying too; socially I'm the most relaxed uninvolved and clueless to what's going around me. That's how I'm perceived at least and people genuinely believe I'm stupid. Beyond stupid most of the time. This isn't down to me intentionally acting dumb either; I just don't engage with people I don't want to engage with unless I have to, even then it's minimal. People clever enough will realize I'm misunderstood but the vast majority don't and I find it hilarious for the most part.

It all works on a spectrum though; completely statistical. The majority of people will have an average intelligence, IQ is a good indicator but isn't concrete. So the average is more likely to find equal intelligence to befriend etc. Anyone below that will often be taken advantage of in some way and ridiculed. Same applies to people above the average. Although as you say they have the benefit of either acting or appearing less intelligent than they are to fit in more easily with the majority.

I'm gonna go back to being like I used to be, I think. It didn't so much involve active manipulation. I was just very oblivious. In fact, people called me "Mr. Oblivious" at one point. Things were more amiable between us back then.
 

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No. I'd like to, but I just don't have it in me. It is too tiresome. I'm not Frank Underwood.

That's good. I don't feel like calling you "Mr. President" all the time.
 

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Yes oblivious and obvious is the way to go. I have to add nearly everyone I know likes me, even when it's because they think I'll make a good butt for their jokes - this when I'm 100% oblivious. When forced to engage I'm serious, obvious and short.

Oh yeah, I'm also number 2; I know nothing but will always have an answer. Also, everyone's opinion is equal, but that doesn't make them right.
 

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Now you know why I act so dumb in this forum.
 

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No, look - you're wrong. The way to have people eat our of your head is to have a Selena Gomez avatar.
 

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Recently I have made threads on different forums where I felt that I reached my life's peak of clarity (and it is only rising). This is the problem. What really struck me about a lot of these threads was people wanting to give me advice.

"What stupid advice!" I would say. I didn't even ask for it. Why were all these people trying to give me advice? And crappy advice at that--stuff any idiot would think of.
It all makes sense to me now. I understand everything.

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I am alone. How I got this way has absolutely baffled me up until now. In short, it is because I have become too smart.
From The Big Bang Theory:
Mary: If you recall when you were little, we sat right here at this very spot and we talked about some of the problems you had getting along with the neighbor kids.

Sheldon Cooper: That was different. They were threatened by my intelligence and too stupid to know that's why they hated me.

Mary: Oh, baby, they knew very well why they hated you.

“The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.”
― C.G. Jung

“An intellectual? Yes. And never deny it. An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. I like this, because I am happy to be both halves, the watcher and the watched. "Can they be brought together?" This is a practical question. We must get down to it. "I despise intelligence" really means: "I cannot bear my doubts.”
― Albert Camus

“The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.”
― Albert Einstein

“When you know better you do better.”
― Maya Angelou


If you are so much smarter than everyone else, then why aren't you getting more out of life than everyone else?
 

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No, look - you're wrong. The way to have people eat our of your head is to have a Selena Gomez avatar.

Good point. I chose this avatar in an overt act of intended manipulation. I was on a kick; every time I get rejected by some group for being too incisive or whatever, I tend to have this short rebound where I determine to be more cunning with people and make them my puppets. Shortly thereafter it falls apart and I am back to my openly contentious self.

Now I am too lazy to change this avatar, and it has actually grown on me. And I think it is funny for being so blatantly averse to my character.
 

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If you want someone to like you, just act dumb. It's that simple.

//known this since forever,

been playing class clown/idiot since...forever.

Also, you can combine it with socratic irony.

:elephant:

I like it when girls play stupid, I really do find it cute :smoker:

I do the same :cool:
 

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What's cute about that? I know why they do it, or some do.

OP already said it

I can admit my own ego, I fucking love "feeling" like I'm smarter then somebody else and that they need my help, but I also recognize that need/desire in others. It's not a conscious desire, or I would be able to agree with the conscious thought that "I like feeling like I'm smarter," I don't actually think that, yet when someone is so stupid and they seem like they're in distress or need help, it...turns me on, I enjoy it, I not only feel compelled to help (via Fe), but it makes ME feel good as well.

I can see it in people too, which is why I do it, I act like my intelligence is that of a child, and somewhat confused/idiot, and they eat it up.


When I dated an ISFP, oh her poor Te...heh, I loved the (SEEMING) idiocy of her.

When I date(d) ISTPs, I always play stupid, god damn Fe eats it up

varying degrees with some people



If you'll look at @Architect's convo when we're talking about ideal partners, and him and Mr. Write both admit they want to be the benefactors/caregivers (Fe)...you can extrapolate what you want, but they want to take CARE OF, and some people want to BE taken care of etc
 

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Again your J is shining. Categorizing the people here? Thinking your outrageous declarative statements are of superior intellect rather than just your opinion? Finding no counter to any criticism leveled against you, but toss the forum lot out because we haven't the capacity to comprehend your massive omniscient presence. Talking down to us plebs with more shrill tones with each passing day? All a cry for attention.

No INTP would exhibit 1/10th of the demand for attention. No INTP would be so convinced of convictions based upon such a limited range of supporting materials.

Poser...
 

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OP already said it

I can admit my own ego, I fucking love "feeling" like I'm smarter then somebody else and that they need my help, but I also recognize that need/desire in others. It's not a conscious desire, or I would be able to agree with the conscious thought that "I like feeling like I'm smarter," I don't actually think that, yet when someone is so stupid and they seem like they're in distress or need help, it...turns me on, I enjoy it, I not only feel compelled to help (via Fe), but it makes ME feel good as well.

agreed. I never thought about the "why", but my opening gambit for when I need to make a friend fast would be to ask for a small favor that I don't really need, or asking for advice on something not needed either. The last time I did this I felt stupid for asking for an unneeded favor when I didn't understand why I did it, I just know that it works... it's good to see the reasoning.
 

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OP already said it

I can admit my own ego, I fucking love "feeling" like I'm smarter then somebody else and that they need my help, but I also recognize that need/desire in others. It's not a conscious desire, or I would be able to agree with the conscious thought that "I like feeling like I'm smarter," I don't actually think that, yet when someone is so stupid and they seem like they're in distress or need help, it...turns me on, I enjoy it, I not only feel compelled to help (via Fe), but it makes ME feel good as well.

I can see it in people too, which is why I do it, I act like my intelligence is that of a child, and somewhat confused/idiot, and they eat it up.


When I dated an ISFP, oh her poor Te...heh, I loved the (SEEMING) idiocy of her.

When I date(d) ISTPs, I always play stupid, god damn Fe eats it up

varying degrees with some people



If you'll look at @Architect's convo when we're talking about ideal partners, and him and Mr. Write both admit they want to be the benefactors/caregivers (Fe)...you can extrapolate what you want, but they want to take CARE OF, and some people want to BE taken care of etc

Right ok, I just don't find it cute, on the contrary I find it unnecessary. I can relate to what you say about being the class clown though, I sometimes find myself with that ENTP face on - so yeah I probably do that myself from time to time.

I fucking love "feeling" like I'm smarter then somebody else and that they need my help

By the way, it's than.

Hair-splitter out. :beatyou:
 

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By the way, it's than.

Hair-splitter out. :beatyou:

my grammar seems to suffer by .01% when i'm dosed, fuck/

(This isn't a dichotomy, just to note)

but

some people just like providing (caretaker/benefactor), and some people like to be taken care of (being provided for)


I usually identify as wanting to have a mutual benefit partnership significant other, but I go with what I got yo
 

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Again your J is shining. Categorizing the people here? Thinking your outrageous declarative statements are of superior intellect rather than just your opinion? Finding no counter to any criticism leveled against you, but toss the forum lot out because we haven't the capacity to comprehend your massive omniscient presence. Talking down to us plebs with more shrill tones with each passing day? All a cry for attention.

No INTP would exhibit 1/10th of the demand for attention. No INTP would be so convinced of convictions based upon such a limited range of supporting materials.

Poser...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
 

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Selena Gomez can definitely eat out of my head. And then I'll eat out her.
 

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Selena Gomez can definitely eat out of my head. And then I'll eat out her.

Is she 18 yet?
I always forget.
I think she will always be 14 to me.

I still remember when she was on Barney and Friends.
 

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Is she 18 yet?
I always forget.
I think she will always be 14 to me.

I still remember when she was on Barney and Friends.

In this day and age does age matter anymore? :phear:

I would
 

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It all makes sense to me now. I understand everything.

No you don't. There is a kernel of truth to what you're saying but it's far from being an overarching enlightened insight. This mostly seems to be overcompensation for social difficulties.

Is this you?
 

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easier said then done. Acting like a retard and dumbing down yourself takes skills, especially if your endorphin levels isn't that high when you engage in retartery. You cannot equate adapting to stupidity with ability to change. Might as well burn all the books and libraries and go back to the stone age.
 

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easier said then done. Acting like a retard and dumbing down yourself takes skills, especially if your endorphin levels isn't that high when you engage in retartery.

True. I said earlier I was going to be oblivious from now on, but I know I'm not. I don't have it in me. I will, however, always be oblivious to what is going on in gossip circles. That's what earned me the name in the first place. Then again, I'm not even a member of any gossip circles at this point, so I guess that worked itself out.
 

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you also forgot the sheeple, people who will try to fit in and go along with the crowd regardless how stupid it seems.
 

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It also explain why rich people masturbate in houses and live like recluse, and let the plebs do all the work. Surely being the top 1% is lonely sometimes, but at least you get to live in your own reality bubble, and watch the stupid people raping each other.
 

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Being less frustrated at life, in the same vein as the complaints in your opening post.

Interesting that you would attempt to make the claim that I get less out of life than average based on 1 post. Pretty bold. Don't think you really know me man.

The irony is that I quite enjoyed writing this post and responding to the thread. Life has its shit, I don't deny that, I cope with it. I relate to, say, Bill Hicks. To me this turns stupid people and assholes into a sort of entertainment. It's the most logical choice I can make, really. I can't join them, and they aren't going away, so I can either mope quietly or amuse myself by ridiculing them.

But it doesn't end there. The creativity it requires to be maximally scathing is a challenge that always gets me into flow state. For roughly an hour I lost myself as I really tried to put a finger on exactly how these people tick, and I was quite surprised and impressed with what came out of me. I really accessed this deep place, ya know? Same thing happened with that "I got enlightened" thread I wrote, and others. I just find myself entertained and it all just flows out of me. Why would I inhibit myself? It's what I like to do. It comes natural.

If I had to guess I'd say I am less frustrated than most people here. Many are openly depressed, apparently. In fact I think there is some depression club thread I haven't even clicked on. Why don't you go to that thread and call those people stupid? It seems to be your belief--or did you just adopt it for this thread so you could argue? Check that list in the OP, some of it might apply.
 

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But it doesn't end there. The creativity it requires to be maximally scathing is a challenge that always gets me into flow state. For roughly an hour I lost myself as I really tried to put a finger on exactly how these people tick, and I was quite surprised and impressed with what came out of me. I really accessed this deep place, ya know? Same thing happened with that "I got enlightened" thread I wrote, and others. I just find myself entertained and it all just flows out of me. Why would I inhibit myself? It's what I like to do. It comes natural.
thats what acceptance means,
not inhibiting, just letting it flow, opening yourself,
acceptance is acceptance of resistance too,
acceptance of the fight too,
that is the ultimate form of acceptance,
technically you can never fight against it, because even getting against the flow is the part of the flow.
There is no one distinct from the flow to fight against it,
it is flow that fight against itself through itself.
almost all my writings are autowritings.
so if it makes no sense dont curse me, i am not writing it,
 

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thats what acceptance means,
not inhibiting, just letting it flow, opening yourself,
acceptance is acceptance of resistance too,
acceptance of the fight too,
that is the ultimate form of acceptance,
technically you can never fight against it, because even getting against the flow is the part of the flow.
There is no one distinct from the flow to fight against it,
it is flow that fight against itself through itself.
almost all my writings are autowritings.
so if it makes no sense dont curse me, i am not writing it,

The difference is I take about 5000 fewer words to say it, I make a way smaller deal of it, and I use plain terms instead of trying to make it sound all Eastern and cosmic.
 

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the secret of conversation is talk about what you know, bullshit on random subjects, and troll people who talks stupid things. Like socrates
 

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The difference is I take about 5000 fewer words to say it, I make a way smaller deal of it, and I use plain terms instead of trying to make it sound all Eastern and cosmic.

i cant do anything about it. its spontaneous.
 

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i cant do anything about it. its spontaneous.

why not spontaneously do something about it according to the flow that must happen because you will do something about it and you need to accept that but really there's no choice in the matter in regards to whether you accept it or not because the flow of the anti-flow and pro-flow and non-interference goes with the flow, and that again goes with the flow of its own pro-flow and anti-flow and non-interference and in the end it's just flow that you will end up doing something about it

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why not spontaneously do something about it according to the flow that must happen because you will do something about it and you need to accept that but really there's no choice in the matter in regards to whether you accept it or not because the flow of the anti-flow and pro-flow and non-interference goes with the flow, and that again goes with the flow of its own pro-flow and anti-flow and non-interference and in the end it's just flow that you will end up doing something about it

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