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  1. FrostFern

    Are the intelligent more prone to depression?

    In some cases self-esteem isn't the main issue necessarily, as I already pointed out. Sometimes it is existential and it is brought on by a chemical imbalance. It can also be brought on by a vicious circle of stagnation in life and boredom, leading to lack of motivation, leading to yet more...
  2. FrostFern

    Are the intelligent more prone to depression?

    I think a combination of high intelligence and emotional sensitivity is more prone to depression. Also, intelligent people probably experience depression differently than less intelligent people. Intelligent people feel more ennui and vague dissatisfaction / anhedonia with their depression in...
  3. FrostFern

    The Personality Defect Test

    Sociopath You are 86% Rational, 0% Extroverted, 71% Brutal, and 57% Arrogant. You are the Sociopath! As a result of your cold, calculating rationality, your introversion (and ability to keep quiet), your brutality, and your arrogance, you would make a very...
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    The Are You a Psychopath? Test

    The Officer You scored 48% empathic, 2% delusional, 52% sociable, and 62% law-abiding! You're a sane, friendly person with a healthy respect for the law. You're not particularly emotional and may have difficulty...
  5. FrostFern

    Empath Test

    You are: The Wild Empath Your Total Score: 53 out of 80 Your Out of Control Healer Score: 4 out of 10 Your Protection Tools Score: 19 out of 25 How Much You Mirror Others Unconsciously Score: 11 out of 15 Your Appreciation for Nature Score: 9 out of 10 You scored pretty high on the overall...
  6. FrostFern

    heavy, hypnotic, emotionally intense music

    Sorry. It says the video you posted isn't available in my country. :mad: The stuff I posted after the first two require a bit of patience. You really have to hear the whole thing to appreciate it because the progression is rather slow. If you're not in the mood I can see how they might sound...
  7. FrostFern

    heavy, hypnotic, emotionally intense music

    Most falls under some category related to post-rock or post-metal but I'm more looking for specific kind of mood progression and hypnotic build up of tension. Dark epic walls of sound with a hint of sorrow. Think of icebergs falling into the sea. Some vocals are okay but I prefer instrumental...
  8. FrostFern

    Post Rock

    Hungry Ghosts Very sad, lonesome, trippy vibe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9SUmAyKWM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwAxpql3JZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9iSzhtzgNk
  9. FrostFern

    Could an unhealthy/depressed INTP mimic an INFJ?

    I can score marginally in the INFJ range. I think the difference is true INFJ's are better at using Fe to positive effect. To an FJ type, caring is empowering. To a TP type caring hurts, even when you know you really want to be able to make a positive difference. I think it's because we get...
  10. FrostFern

    Sad / depressive songs?

    I don't know that "melancholy" or "sad" is universally agreed upon when there aren't accompanying lyrics to make the subject obvious. Also, with a lot of rock/pop/folk music the lyrical subject matter doesn't completely match the mood of the music itself. Rhythm and blues often has negative...
  11. FrostFern

    Morning / Evening People?

    I'm not sure what I am. I always have an awful time the first hour ofter getting out of bed, completely dependent on coffee. The thing is I can't usually sleep soundly for more than 5-6 hours at a time. When I do "sleep in" I spend a lot of time just laying in bed relaxing and thinking, too...
  12. FrostFern

    Songs that strike a feeling

    I'm more of a music/ambiance person than a lyrics person. Calm, contemplative, bittersweet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lcb9TFKrI Sublime joy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMXaE9NtQgg Overbearing fear/anxiety, helplessness, isolation, senselessness, evil...
  13. FrostFern

    Post Rock

    Some memorable pieces... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoH5MPIgM7c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWzHcS55rzQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akZb1cQdkeQ epic and dark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdzYh1-MhjY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHcIhcvhUo
  14. FrostFern

    Sad / depressive songs?

    I still really don't get how listening to something you like for cathartic purposes can be considered any more selfish than listening to happy party music. Also love how the word "emo" became an insult over the past 10 years. It's like there's some insecure element of society that wants to...
  15. FrostFern

    Emotionally Sensitive INTPs?

    I don't know if fear of being "discovered" as disingenuous is really rational. The truth of the matter is sometimes I just find social interaction uncomfortable in an almost physical sense and I can come up with kinds of implacable paranoid reasoning to try and explain exactly what it is that's...
  16. FrostFern

    Caring what people think

    ^^^ I think telling myself I don't want to step on people's toes is my cop-out for being a wuss. It's not the altruistic concern of hurting someone's feelings but the need to avoid tension that's really stopping me from speaking up. Of course there are some cases where it's better to let...
  17. FrostFern

    Emotionally Sensitive INTPs?

    I have a hard time with this. The instinctive fear of being seen as disingenuous is strong even though I know people appreciate the effort.
  18. FrostFern

    Emotionally Sensitive INTPs?

    Internally I'm a chaotic mess of emotions and cripplingly sensitive. The thing is I'm not outwardly nuanced or comfortable dealing with emotions. I'm awkward and my emotions seem to come out in uncontrolled all-or-nothing bursts. When under stress I do much better when I try to deal with...
  19. FrostFern

    Sad / depressive songs?

    Pffffft... People like that just don't have empathy for anyone that's not mentally wired exactly like them. They can't quite wrap their head around the fact that some people might actually enjoy something they don't enjoy. They just assume anyone who listens "dark" music is doing it from some...
  20. FrostFern

    Stuff INTP's don't care about

    Conspicuous consumption, greed, social status, power, pop music, mindless television, motivational speakers, "inspirational" bullshit, "self-help" books, sports, small talk, stupid people. I would say people but I do care about people. I'm a sensitive guy. I hate injustice and suffering and I...
  21. FrostFern

    what happens when an intp gets motivated?

    Whether I experience that kind of motivation is strongly dependent on certain factors. It seems the correlation between adeptness in a task and level of interest in a task is much higher for me than it is for most people. I tend to put off tedious activities. For me boredom is the enemy.
  22. FrostFern

    5 Favorite Bands/Music Artists

    Radiohead Elliot Smith Iron and Wine Smashing Pumpkins Modest Mouse Tom Waits Godspeed You! Black Emperor Brian Eno Lustmord (dark ambient) Biosphere (dark ambient) Kammarheit (dark ambient) Sigar Ros Portishead Eric Satie Bach Segovia Yea, I broke the rules but I don't give a fuck. There's...
  23. FrostFern

    Do INTPs Dismiss Emotion?

    I'm with Cheese on everything he said. :D I don't understand the whole notion of this battle of Armageddon between logic and emotion. To me it seems like either one can be a means to understanding the world, but logic can never be an end in and of itself. So in a sense logic is just as...
  24. FrostFern

    Spot the Fake Smile

    I think there can be some confusion on what constitutes a genuine smile. It didn't occur to me to classify the "shy" smiles as fake. I think a real shy/embarrassed smile can be reflexive even though it doesn't look the same as an amused smile. The test should really ask whether the person...
  25. FrostFern

    Narcissism

    9 I got high superiority and medium exploitiveness, everything else low. Actually I know that I'm superior to all of you because I'm a solipsist. You're all just figments of my mind. When I go to sleep you all disappear. I dare you to try and prove otherwise! :evil:
  26. FrostFern

    Are you an Aspie (Assburger?)

    Your Aspie score: 110 of 200 Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 100 of 200 You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits I am professionally diagnosed as having a "pervasive developmental disorder" (PDD) and consider myself aspergers. I'm not a stereotypical case though as...
  27. FrostFern

    Are INTP's bad at sensing other people's emotions?

    This is supposedly an aspergers / autism trait. I am autistic to a degree but I'm not sure if I have this problem. I usually detect emotional undertones with people. In fact I'm almost like a sponge sometimes. The problem is I don't know how to react because my own emotions get in the way. I...
  28. FrostFern

    Songs that make you cry/tear up/sniffle...

    YouTube- Carissa's Wierd- So You Wanna Be A Superhero Doesn't actually makes me tear up but this might be the most depressing song ever written.
  29. FrostFern

    Suicide

    You should add another option between the second and third. Something like "I think about it a lot but something stops me from actually doing it". That's where I'd fit.
  30. FrostFern

    Suicide

    I have seriously considered it. I don't want to think that my life will ever come to such a point that I will carry through, but I can't be certain given how long I've struggled with depression. People who say they would never do it either don't have a very good imagination or are in denial of...
  31. FrostFern

    Political Beliefs in Relation to MBTI Type

    Overall I'd just say "left". I'm just a boring middle-of-the-road liberal on economic issues. IMHO, it's pretty pointless to subscribe to a political ideology in order to feel unique. Neither market-anarchy nor communism/socialism are viable systems in the real world. Libertarian /...
  32. FrostFern

    Black humor

    [/SIZE][/FONT] Yes! The futility of the situation is another element. The short story "Before the Law" by Franz Kafka has a similar kind of humor to it. YouTube- The Trial: Before The Law [SIZE=2][FONT=Georgia] I can definitely identify with the story. It's a scary thought. Maybe...
  33. FrostFern

    Black humor

    Did you listen to the very end? "Theres your story... night night". Who in their right mind would read that story to a child before bed? It's absurd. It sounds so intriquing and poetic that you think there's going to be some kind of resolution or message at the end. Then you get there and...
  34. FrostFern

    I shall now reveal the main purposes of compliments

    Re: I shall now reveal the main purpoises of compliments I think compliments can be divided into two categories. 1.) Compliments tied to a specific event/performance/accomplishment. 2.) Compliments done "out of the blue". The first type are usually pretty automatic for me. As a rule...
  35. FrostFern

    How far can you remember?

    You have a good point.
  36. FrostFern

    How far can you remember?

    I can't imagine it being a pleasant memory. Usually the first thing a healthy newborn does is scream. For a baby who's delicate senses are accustomed to temperature of the womb the instant coldness of the hospital room would be a shock, a complete assault on the senses.
  37. FrostFern

    Black humor

    Okay. I see now that I am completely insane. Wish I hadn't written this thread. :eek:
  38. FrostFern

    How far can you remember?

    I remember being carried on my father's back by the ocean. There was this concrete retaining wall we were walking along and the waves were hitting against it. The noise of the waves terrified me. I had just turned 2. It's a sort-of-vague snapshot - more like a memory of a memory rather than a...
  39. FrostFern

    Black humor

    But I'm still entitled to think it's funny, regardless of what was intended. I also thought "In the Penal Colony" by Kafka was funny. Nobody else seems to think that's funny. I don't find this stuff humorous in a campy way (e.g. like slasher films). No, I realize that the message is serious...
  40. FrostFern

    Black humor

    YouTube- Tom Waits Children's Story Does anyone else find the above completely hilarious? Am I the only one? I see myself as challenged when it comes to humor, especially in social situations. I often fail to "get" normie humor, or just fail to find it funny. I also don't do jokes around...
  41. FrostFern

    Do a lot of INTPs consider themselves different from the rest of society?

    I first imagined the border of an upright triangle continuing beneath an upside down solid gray triangle. If I try to imagine how the image was constructed I picture the upright triangle and three circles drawn first. Then the upside down triangle is formed by erasing from the original.
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    Do a lot of INTPs consider themselves different from the rest of society?

    What does the theory she endorses say about how our brains work? Or is it too much to explain here? Sorry, I'm just really curious.
  43. FrostFern

    Effects of bullying

    I think that's kind of a dangerous attitude though as some people clearly are psychologically damaged by bullies. I consider myself lucky in that I haven't been tormented like some have. There are well documented cases where kids were bullied to the point that they committed suicide. If that...
  44. FrostFern

    Right Brain vs Left Brain Creativity Test

    Left: 44% Right: 56% Left Percentages: 48% Linear 21% Logical 20% Verbal 20% Reality Based 18% Sequential 17% Symbolic Right Percentages: 73% Concrete 50% Nonverbal 29% Fantasy-Oriented 24% Holistic 17% Random 15% Intuitive
  45. FrostFern

    The Ideal Self.

    I don't really experience "self" that way. To me my "self" is intrinsically connected to what I'm experiencing through my senses along with my current thoughts and feelings. The past "me" doesn't have any absolute bearing on the present "me". The notion of my "self" as a continuous entity with a...
  46. FrostFern

    Do a lot of INTPs consider themselves different from the rest of society?

    I hear you. I also don't understand how people watch shows like "Jersey Shore" and enjoy it. They really are a different species it seems.
  47. FrostFern

    Effects of bullying

    I wasn't bullied too badly. I was a weird, quiet, loner. Hardly talked to anyone in school, except for a couple friends. I was mostly ignored, though I can remember being teased in elementary school. I had a low tolerance for teasing and some kids liked to provoke me. I remember one time in...
  48. FrostFern

    Lazy, Drunk, Drugs, Depression. INTP experiences from this forum

    No. I'm saying they're pretty much the same thing. Apathy is the #1 symptom of depression for me. Anhedonia is probably a better word than apathy though. No matter what you call it it sucks.
  49. FrostFern

    Lazy, Drunk, Drugs, Depression. INTP experiences from this forum

    Apathy and depression, those two are pretty much synonymous with me. I get melancholy moods occasionally as well but the apathy is ten times worse than sadness. It's not a nice mellow lackadiasical la-la-la-whatever-I-just-want-to-sleep kind of apathy. It's the soul-sucking kind where I'm...
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