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  1. Optimisation freak?

    Not true at all. Many of our theories and knowledge are extremely imperfect and that has not stopped us building everything from computers to working fusion reactors(ok the net energy is not great). You can optimize up to the point of your knowledge then you come up and with new ideas and try...
  2. Is MBTI compatible with evolution?

    It is beneficial to have a diversified range of types. There is always a cost to any choice. The black plague that led to greater resistance to disease for many Europeans conversely made them more susceptible to fungal infection. Iron is necessary for blood platelets and carrying oxygen, but...
  3. IxTP's: Which is worse out of the three....

    "A Ti, will be more intrinsic and subjective with it's implementation. The system is applied for his own personal gains. In fact, the logic of the system will seem very unique only to himself, his reasoning bonded to his own affect. The Te takes a more extrinsic approach. Similar to law, it...
  4. IxTP's: Which is worse out of the three....

    I am voting Si. The reasoning being that with Te types I typically find they believe there should be rules everyone should abide by, and I have successfully convinced them of their hypocrisy of those rules. Te dominant types I find to be inconsistent in reasoning but at least I can reason with...
  5. INTP's are becoming obsolete

    I disagree. The time is past when even illiterate people can improve things. More than ever system analysis is the way forward, this is our time.
  6. INTPs and aggression

    redbaron is correct. I believe Buckminster Fuller said something along a similar line to redbaron's reasoning. Arguing with people can be a waste of time, typically people are loss averse they need a new system to switch to, just explaining theirs will lead to negative results is not enough.
  7. "everything is connected"?

    Well I wouldn't say everything is connected, but that many things are linked that some would not think are at first. For example the Arab Spring revolts, and the revolution in Syria. Syria is undergoing its worst drought in ~1000 years and the food price index at the UN when it breaches 200...
  8. INTP's, things you hate

    Overarching authority, excessive conformity, having to support systems doomed to failure, human's pack animal nature, negative eroei, exponential curves vs finite resources.
  9. Psychopath test. Here we go, dosy do

    Your score from primary psychopathy has been calculated as 1.1. Primary psychopathy is the affective aspects of psychopathy; a lack of empathy for other people and tolerance for antisocial orientations. Your score from secondary psychopathy has been calculated as 4.3. Secondary psychopathy...
  10. The Challenge of Integrating Si with Ti & Ne

    Where ISTJs do have an issue, is they tend towards workaholism. They HATE being sick and/or on holiday. After 2 days, they want to get back to work, even when they have been really sick, and need to stay in bed to recover fully. We're often completely clueless of time. Empirical beats theory...
  11. The Challenge of Integrating Si with Ti & Ne

    I work in laboratory and run multiple instruments. I find the ISTJs in particular are actually ignorant of past machine behaviour. I will point it out and even show evidence with logs and database info, while they will just ignore and come up with the most wack job reasons. All of ISTJs I find...
  12. How do we attract ENFJs?

    I was married to an ENFJ for years. I think you may wish to reconsider your actions. Scorpiomover is absolutely bang on. I would also add I think they are attracted to INTPs principled nature. However if you are going to date/marry one, I hope you like romance and getting out and doing...
  13. The tertiary as a structuralizer and invective criticizer.

    Going back to Ne tertiary Cherry Cola, I believe it is the source of ESTJ and ESFJ stubbornness. I find those two personality types more than any others, you can present the facts and no matter what they will just not believe you. It could even be the fucking 2nd law of thermodynamics and they...
  14. What is the Meaning of Life?

    Thanks for picking that up Nick, that is actually what I meant. Good explanation as well. I am merely a layman, so merely reasoned it out. If life is merely enthalpy of the universe, then in a way I think you could take it as the meaning of life is simply to express oneself.
  15. What is the Meaning of Life?

    An inevitable expression of the entropy of the universe.
  16. Why are negative emotions not justifiable motivators for action?

    Humans are a pack animal, so "negative" emotions while necessary will have a negative bias against them to maintain overall group cohesion.
  17. Rank All The S-types from best to worst:

    No offense, but I dont know how INTPs can pick ISFJ so high up the list. 1. ISTP(most consistent reasoning of S types, most likely to be fair) 2. ESTP( In general wont control you or put any bounds on you. Expecting you to be part of the team and conform while never spelling it out is annoying...
  18. Should Charles Manson be released?

    By your logic Salmoneus, Hitler wasnt that bad. He did't execute any of the Jews directly afaik. Afaik also the main person for coming up with the Final Solution(forget which one) was known to have been physically ill at the sight of a mass execution. Was he not culpable as well? Does it mean...
  19. Parents of INTPs

    Father: INTP Mother: ISFJ StepFather: ISFJ StepMother: ISFJ Sister: ISFJ Halfsister: ISFJ Stepbrother1: ISFJ I think. SJ definitely Stepbrother2: ISFJ I think. SJ definitely. Stepbrother3: ISTJ I think. SJ definitely. My parents divorced when I was 7. Both remaried. Stepfather already...
  20. What do you do most of the time?

    1. When not at work, mostly gaming and drugs, browsing forums, reading wikipedia or other sites for information(whatever takes my fancy). Recently stopped all sports, sick of to death of the social group antics. 2. IXTP. Fairly sure that I am a Ti dominant, bias towards INTP. 3. Hmmm. I...
  21. Dominant Hand?

    Cross dominant. Highly dependent on activity. Left typically is better at precision while right seems more power orientated.
  22. Maynard Keenan

    A quote from the wiki "A primary purpose of Keenan's lyrics for Tool involves a desire to connect with the listeners on a personal level; to encourage them to look within themselves for self-identity, understanding and reflection." Connection on a personal level is very Fi. There is also a...
  23. Maynard Keenan

    Reading Maynard Keenan's wiki he comes across as an INFP.
  24. I just had déjà vu

    Should not déjà vu be a common occurrence to INTPs?
  25. The option of an Intp dominant society: How bad do we want it?

    I would have INTP(some ENTP might be allowed) behind the scenes think tank while sticking an INTJ/INFJ/ENTJ management team in place to implement current best understanding.
  26. What do you value?

    To strive continuously for improvement in our intellectual and ethical understanding and its promotion in the individual and society. To have no fear to express oneself, as you see fit with honest conviction. To be able to reason for ones beliefs. Consistency in the application of...
  27. MBTI & Socionics & Enneagram

    INTP, INTp, ILI, 5w6. I vaguely remember tri-type, I think I was 514.
  28. ISFP vs INFP

    I know two ISFPs and 1 INFP. INFP seem not just good at "listening" but to understanding and perceiving sound in general. Natural audio engineers in a way. ISFP. They seem far more likely than all the other types I have seen to do little drawings everywhere to make something look nicer...
  29. MBTI Quirks

    Beholder your statement about the ENTJs taking shits naked was hilarious. One of my best friends is an ENTJ and at party he got too pissed and went to his bedroom and closed the door. Later while the party was still going, he emerged from the room fully naked, walked out of the house and took a...
  30. Which types do you have the hardest time getting along with?

    Interesting. Most of my friends and my ex-wife are all EXXJs. I have been told it is because I enjoy the conflict. I personally think it is because they are they most willing to challenge my ideas and offer different views. My country doesn't have a very strong culture of debate.(Supposedly...
  31. Weird eccentric INTP stuff you do

    It drives me nuts to have any watches, rings or long sleeve shirts. I terribly dislike any feeling of restriction around the hands and lower arms. I will consistently roll up sleeves unless it is very cold. I will even wear thermal t-shirts so I can get away with not wearing long sleeves or...
  32. The Mighty INTP's and Deja vu

    Ok. Way out there. I used to have unbelievably vivid dreams when younger, and I would swear I predicted future events within my social circle. In some cases I felt it let me alter the outcome. These have become less frequent as I get older and had had more responsiblities and a greater circle...
  33. Morning / Evening People?

    I am sure I have seen information before showing nightowls to typically be smarter than early birds. So I would expect N types to be nightowls on average.
  34. Could an unhealthy/depressed INTP mimic an INFJ?

    What an interesting thread. Noxious, my personal opinion is it depends on your upbringing, and what it may force you to repress and express. The first test I ever did I tested as INTP. Since then I have tested slightly more INTJ than INTP. Twice I have tested ISTJ(though one of those said I...
  35. U.S. Second Amendment

    Did anyone notice that on the same day as the shooting in the US in Newton, that a Chinese man stabbed 22 children in China. ALL the chinese stab victims survived. This is the reason why better gun control is needed, because with other weapons the chance of survival is higher. Esp as there is...
  36. Famous INTPs

    I think Christopher Walken is an INTP or INFP. Mostly based off reading an article with quotes from Walken. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10854068
  37. Your unconventional beliefs.

    After being married to an ENFJ I have to strongly disagree with you on this.
  38. Your unconventional beliefs.

    1) Economic Theory That life is existing. While living, you do shit. You want to enjoy life and do things. What type of shit do you do? Work and play, sleeping and eating are functions that support work and play. Or another way of seeing it is economic output is price value attached to people's...
  39. hi i am an INTJ female

    Hello Bre(Clarice) FFFFFFFFFF :twisteddevil:
  40. What are INFJs bad at?

    OK I shall offer my 2 cents. My flatmate is an INFJ. The plant lab team leader I work with is an INFJ, a soil lab worker I have trained is an INFJ and the partner of my ISTJ boss is an INFJ. I think my karate Sensei is an INFJ too. I have noticed they do seem to be good at most things when they...
  41. ENFJ at the gates.

    I like ENFJs. I consider them quite nice, and to have more of a general goodness slant to them, even if I consider their logic fucking ropey. On a side note I think ISTJs are criminals many times as it provides the structure and family that maybe their shit upbringing didn't provide. SJs love...
  42. Meet me - the paradigm of dysfunction

    Welcome! Also spooky possums. Much of your posts I can relate to. But I bet we can all to a degree. Having said that some I find a bit more spooky. I studied Finance and economics as well. However I dropped out and still love studying economics on the side when I feel like it. I was...
  43. INTP Emotions - What is wrong with me?

    Agree with the OP and various strands of what others said. To fkn lazy to be bothered quoting the specific parts. I would note from a fairly youngish age, family has meant nothing to me, so if someone dies I am more likely to feel sad If I liked the person. Genetic closeness always seemed like...
  44. infj intp interaction

    Agree with Hadoblado. I work with two INFJ women. I find them pretty easy to get along with. Also I find because of their strong values and opinions(even if not stated) they can get quite particular about certain things. If it is something not important, try not to be a classic INTP and de...
  45. Challenge: "Find a word without an antonym"

    Well in that case I guess you could argue eating is the opposite of shitting, but what about farting? Farting is a a by product of gases from the digestive process. You don't put in gas, but you do expel it. So what would be the opposite of farting?
  46. Challenge: "Find a word without an antonym"

    Shitting? You can't un-shit and eating is not the opposite of shitting, as vomiting/regurgitating would be the opposite of eating. Farting? Well some people do talk a lot of shit and it is the opposite end of the body....
  47. Parents hitting kids

    Physical force as a means of discipline I consider the absolute last resort. This is brilliant!! You can expand on it further as fear can also comes from a lack of understanding. If you promote fear, for me, you are de-emphasising understanding. I had the wooden spoon broken over my leg...
  48. intj/intp

    Gah I meant 2nd link not 1st in previous post. Anyways... Ti 96% Ne 95% Ni 80% Si 78% Te 70% Fi 58% Se 35% Fe 9% Ha, I almost got a twitch reading the Fe list. Se was pretty awful too with the exception of the 1st 3 items on the list, which were very strongly me. I think though that is...
  49. If you're still in doubt

    If you were a shy extravert, wouldn't that predispose you towards solo/less ppl activities that are outdoors? Whereas an introvert wouldn't necessarily need or want to be outdoors as much?
  50. intj/intp

    Moocoow, actually with me it applies to everything and I mean it. Doesn't matter if it is an actual organisational structure or technological structure or certain philosophy or cultural convention, or the structure of a scientific model etc. If talking to someone or, reading, writing, watching...
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