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This is a quality thread. Ironically a post lamenting the demise of the forum attracted contributions from some classic old time members, and an attractive thread resulted. Sweet nostalgia.

Well. This may be true of INJs, but it's rather less true of ISJs, who are sensors after all. They may not have the wanderlust of SPs, but inaction isn't really an affliction they suffer from, at least in those domains within their experiential library. What they do share by virtue of their Pi...

Myers' introverts and extroverts are indeed different from Jung's. But to say there's no correlation between them is a bit of a stretch. While there are sociable introverts, the scope of their sociability is narrower than that of an extrovert. They can project like a born-again extrovert along...

Excellent post. The PoLR is one of those few concepts in Socionics that I find very powerful and useful at describing reality. The quadra/intertype relations paradigm is insightful as well, though it overextends itself.

A little more abstract than an INTP (dominant F over dominant T). INFP vs ENTJ though is a trickier and more fascinating one. I would think the ENTJ edges it due to that Ni (in spite of the confounding factor of the tertiary Se). And yet an ENTJ has demonstrably greater concrete competence than...

I believe she was right in moving away from attributing so much of it to E/I. However she also threw the baby out with the bathwater. It seems self-evident to me that the concrete/abstract dichotomy is aligned with E/I to some degree (E is more concrete than I). It is also probably aligned with...

Indeed. I've experienced this. Indeed. A mindset common in MBTI circles. The opposite mindset is to conceptualise duals as being virtually the same type but with nourishing complementary attributes, and omit the fact that they're very different from each other in interests and disposition...

The subtype angle is very intriguing. It does seem apparent when you observe people closely. However I do think the duality concept is problematic. The dual type will be a difficult match, regardless of subtype. It's continued elevation in mainstream socionics is rather bizarre in my view...

Yes Potential inaccuracies notwithstanding, more awareness is always better than less. There are insights to be found in Socionics that won't be found in MBTI (and vice versa). Neither system falsifiable. It's meaningless to compare the systems based on a notion of function "consciousness"...

Thanks for joining our little cave Crystabelle. I really hope you stick around, even if you only check in every now and again. I'll first address the despair you expressed in your previous post. as Jenny noted, she and her ESFJ were both kids really. An INTP and an ESFJ are definitely on...

I agree. The thin barrier to access to the IT field is profoundly destabilising, even while resulting in incredible progress. It's simply the issue of labour mobility and knowledge democratisation that exists in most sectors. But once again, IT is at the heart of the vortex. Talented but...

Actually, the dumbing Down you speak of is an advance, not a regression. The purpose of the engineering field is to create useful things, not to have a playground for the satisfaction of esoteric interests. That should be done as a side hobby if one desires. In order to maximise our ability to...

Ha ha. They're absolutely that way with everyone. It's very very easy to be sucked into the impression that you're an object of unique focus. They have a natural talent for that. It's just how they engage with the world. I think it's the Ni that globalises their Fe affect. That's all fine and...

Yeah. That wrenching effect is the same with any Fe-dom I think. Avoid marrying your anima is what I'd say, particularly if you're a J-dom. It would likely have been better if you'd both been more mature. But it would always be push/pull to an uncomfortable degree. That effect is still there...

I don't disagree about the incompatibility. But I think it helps us all to banish the closed and antagonistic mindset that's evolved through the proliferation of crude MBTI stereotypes. Clearly an ESFJ (or what you see as an ESFJ) isn't right for you. But they're certainly right for another...

Are you able to expand on what your difficulties were? What were the positives as compared to other relationships you've had? Were you very much aligned in terms of values and background? How did you end up together in the first place? What did you see in him to make you prefer this awkward...

She's been willingly (and presumably happily) married to you for 17 years. You're clearly not as hopeless as you imagine. Speaking from my own experience, it's self-evident that FJs (particularly SFJs) appreciate us in a way that other types perhaps do not. I doubt she chose you because you were...

redbaron. This is one of the most profound posts I've encountered in my time on INTPf. Thank you. Human beings are mysterious beasts. Let's park that there. My half a cent in addition to the above would be that what Fi conflicts with isn't really Ti per se. T and F function in different...

Gold star

I just saw this. It's surely not too late to present a gift of a gilded crown to Queen Jennifer. I just spent a long weekend with family (and partners). The degree to which I functioned poorly surprises me in hindsight. And the issue was in large part because I failed to recognise/remember just...

Fair play

The issue isn't that your take may be very different from mine. Your outlook is as legitimate as anyone else's. The oddity is the singular obsession with that narrow question, and the static and autistic approach to it. Even Sinny (rest her soul) showed greater self-awareness and social...

Have you ever being diagnosed with Asperger's or a related condition? It would put these bot-like posts in perspective.

Fascinating

You're certainly not the only one. It becomes plainly obvious after examining Socionics for a while that it has split (and mixed together) the introverts, relative to how they're categorised in the MBTI. Though it's not an even bisection. Most INTPs do end up LII/INTj, because the split weighs...

Is this lifestyle truly on your own terms though? I would presume that given the choice, you would live in a comfortable house of your own design, rather than a cozy car. You would have people who respect you and create a space for you in their physical and emotional universe, rather than...

Well said

The taxonomy itself is obviously the product of Alpha values, as the Socionists would have it. It was probably created by an NTP. INTPs would most likely see themselves as True Neutral or Neutral Good. ENTPs as Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral. It's built on Si (lawful, neutral), Ti (true...

Very well said.

I'm not suggesting that neuroscience in general or Nardi's research is worthless. Far from it. It is indeed intriguing to have some indication of there being some level physiological manifestation of psychological disposition. The quest is worthy and the early results encouraging. And to his...

Thank you Auburn. This is a heavyweight articulation of the nature of psychological disposition. I remember when I first encountered Nardi's work. I was so excited about the promise of mapping the hitherto largely speculative concepts in analytical psychology onto 'hard' neuroscience. Later I...

A perfect encapsulation of Ni-Se values. I wonder how well the average INJ relates to it in reality.

Absolutely. This is particularly the case with Ne vs Si. I get a little frustrated with it in myself sometimes. I need more constancy and stability in a mate, hence marriage to another NP would be undesirable. What development I've managed to my Si would be sent into regression in such a...

A statement no less absurd than if it had been said of the USA by a Trump loyalist.

There's no real crisis here. More and more people work in "IT" and ancillary fields because we live in the information age. All three go hand in hand. Changes in technological paradigm lead to changes in economic paradigm, which leads to cultural changes. Your conception of "technology" seems...

Both things are very true. And the implications of both are also profound. I sense you imagine the first to be trivial and the second to be of great importance. Is this to say that 2% of the global population are living in comfort and 98% in misery (measured by comparison to their previous...

Very good

I say don't bother with CompTIA. That level of studying is really for people who have to be taught to suck eggs. More appropriate for people without an IT/Engineering degree. If you're already into C++ and Java and Linux, you're already in a good position. I would suggest getting familiar with...

This is certainly true. But then an exam to test everyday competence in Word would be pointless, since the everyday features are fairly intuitive. If there were to be an exam, it would test the advanced features and tricks. But there'd be a rather small niche market for this. Regardless, such...

Re: Ideal MBTI female companion for a male INTP This is deceptive. It's simply herd behaviour. Most of those people didn't arrive at this idea independently by subjecting various concepts to a rigorous test of logic and experience. My take is that it comes basically from Keirsey, via Drenth...

Most certainly not. Software testing is a great ISTJ activity. At least writing and executing manual tests is. It requires systematic discrete reasoning and great attention to detail in a set of data. Automated testing is a bit different. You're simply designing and writing code to test code. I...

Not really. You could look at it from the perspective of Pe, Pi or Ji just as easily as from the more common Je. Purely semantic. The dichotomy is an indicator in an analytical system after all, rather than an intrinsic element of the base theory. It doesn't. It certainly didn't to Jung, and...

CelebrityTypes.com is one of the most sophisticated type sites out there (contrary to the impression you might have from its name).

Very good.

It's always a sign we're into some juicy stuff when reckful shows up with his "MBTI (dichotomies) is verified science, read all about it" text can. Now I'll start with saying that there are likely going to be things we simply hold on to differing premises on, and it's best simply to recognise...

Sure. Though I do wish you would indicate that this is Socionics. Otherwise it serves to confuse the unaware. I wouldn't say that. Though you could get away with "J/P in MBTI is short for Pe being dominant over Je" It indicates whether the first extroverted function is perceiving or judging...

You don't seem like a teeter at all. INTP to the bone ;) Welcome

Absolutely This is also true. However we're moving beyond Ti-Ne here I think. Si is the primary actor in this second passage. Si-Fe more broadly. An indivisible part of the INTP of course.

I think this aversion to force is a manifestation of weak and unvalued Se, rather than Fi. In this INFPs are no different from INTPs. The sort of intense personal venom that's at issue here is certainly Fi-like. An idiosyncratic value system has been interfered with, and the transgression...

Nailed