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151 Pokemon memory test challenge

Hadoblado

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#1
I posted this in gaming because it only applies to people who have at some point gamed.

I'm interested in how aspects of pokemon are conducive to ease of memorisation. I'm pretty confident that, despite not having picked up a pokemon cartridge in many years, I could still name a good portion of them, and wanna test myself and others.

So, without googling or checking other people's answers, list all the pokemon you can remember in the original 151 (in spoilers you donkeys). Maybe provide some sense of how invested you were in it. Me? I spent long weeks in the bush with nothing to do, having pokemon on gameboy was pretty huge.

Please preserve the order in which you remembered them. Give yourself half hour max.

142 (missing 9)
bulbasaur
ivysaur
venusaur
squirtle
wortortle
blastoise
charmander
charmeleon
charisizard

pikachu
raichu

pidgey
pidgeoto
pidgeot
spearow
fearow
farfetchd

rattata
raticate
caterpie
metapod
butterfree
weedle
kakuna
beedrill

pincer
scyther
kangaskan
taurus

nidoranm
nidorino
nidoking
nidoranf
nidirina
nidoqueen

onix
geodude
graveler
golem
machop
machoke
machamp
gastly
haunter
gengar
abra
kadabra
alakazam

clefairy
clefable
jigglypuff
wigglytuff
chansey

zubat
golbat
psyduck
golduck
staryu
starmie
lapras
seel
dewgong
crabby
kingler
magikarp
gyarados

mr mime
drowzee
hypno
execute
executor

snorlax

horsea
seadra

voltorb
electrode
electrabuzz
magma
jynx

vulpix
ninetails
poliwag
poliwhirl
poliwrath
growlithe
arcanine
oddish
gloom
vileplume
bellsprout
weepinbell
victreebell

eevee
vaporean
flareon
jolteon

magnemite
magneton
rhyhorn
rhydon
diglett
dugtrio

grimer
muk
koffing
weezing
ekans
arbok
ponyta
rapidash

hitmonchan
hitmonlee
mankey
primeape

shelldar

cloistar
omanyte
omastar
kabuto
kabutops
aerodactyl

dratini
dragonaire
dragonite

articanu
zapdos
moltres

mew
mewtwo


meowth
Persian
Tangelo
Porygon


cubone
marrowak
sandshrew
sandslash

tentacool

tentacruel
slowpoke
slowbro

The most forgettable pokemon:
goldeen
seaking
ditto
paras
parasect
venonat
venemoth
doduo
dodrio

I'm wondering whether this memorability could be generalised to something useful. Educational games tend to be dry af, maybe they should be fun first and educational second?
 

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#2
I still play pokemon Go today, so I doubt this challenge would be very telling for me to do it.

However; I did sink many many hours into the first 2 generations, so I’d say it would nearly be a given that I’d remember them.

I only played through the 3rd generation (after a 2 year break from pokemon) once though, and I STILL have a hard time remembering them today.

I reckon it is a combination of childhood learning power + time invested that causes the memory ability.
 

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#3
I think the hard part is making an educational game with the addictiveness of crack.

128 in 10 minutes.

I played Red for way too long. I literally leveled one of every evolutionary stage up to 100 through battle only because I didn't know of the Cinnabar Island glitch. Never traded anything because no one to trade with.

I forgot:
mr mime
exeggcute
exeggutor
horsea
seadra
vulpix
ninetails
poliwag
poliwhirl
poliwrath
eevee
vaporean
flareon
jolteon
magnemite
magneton
grimer
muk
aerodactyl
meowth
Persian
tangela
sandshrew
sandslash
My strategy was to just do a mental walkthrough remembering the basic pokemon associated with each city, and then expand on their evolutions in round 2. Then I briefly tried to name as many of a given type and then cards I remembered from the card game.

I included togepi because it was depicted in the anime. I also noticed that my spelling of names was much better than Hado's, which probably relates to how we store information in our brains differently.

No Pokemon Go et al. Most recently played an emulator like 5 years ago.
 

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alright here we go. I went mostly by order in the game/pokedex plus evolutions

bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur - 3
charmander, charmeleon, charizard - 6
squirtle, wartortle, blastoise - 9
pidgey, pidgetto, pidgeot - 12
rattata, raticate- 14
caterpie, metapod, butterfree - 17
weedle, kakuna, beedrill - 20
pikachu, raichu - 22
spearow, fearow - 24
nidoran (f), nidorina, nidoqueen - 27
nidoran (m), nidorina, nidoking - 30
jigglypuff, wigglytuff - 32
clefairy, clefable - 34
zubat, golbat - 36
geodude, graveler, golem - 39
paras, parasect - 41
kabuto, kabutops - 43
omyte? (helix fossil) omastar - 45
aerodactyl - 46
ekans, arbok - 48
sandshrew, sandslash - 50
oddish, gloom, vileplume - 53
bellsprout, weepinbell, victrebel - 56
abra, kadabra, alakazam - 59
onyx - 60
koffing, weezing - 62
grimer, muk - 64
meowth, persian - 66
eevee, vaporeon, flareon, jolteon - 70
horsea, seadra - 72
staryu, starmie - 74
psyduck, golduck - 76
diglett, dugtrio - 78
drowzee, hypno - 80
venonat, venomoth - 82
machop, machoke, machamp - 85
snorlax - 86
tentacool, tentacruel - 88
shellder, cloyster - 90
magikarp, gyarados - 92
ghastly, haunter, gengar - 95
cubone, marowak - 97
vulpix, ninetales - 99
growlithe, arcanine - 101
seel, dewgong - 103
rhyhorn, rhydon - 105
execute, executor - 107
pinsir - 108
scyther - 109
voltorb, electrode - 111
farfetch'd -112
tangela - 113
lickitung - 114
magmar(?) - 115
mr. mime - 116
electabuzz - 117
kangaskan - 118
jynx - 119
lapras - 120
dratini, dragonair, dragonite - 123
articuno, zapdos, moltres - 126
mewtwo, mew - 128
chansey - 129
argh......

aha!
hitmonchan, hitmonlee - 131
mankey, primeape - 133
doduo, dodrio - 135
ponyta, rapidash - 137

14 to go.... still feel like I'm missing a bunch of water types.

polywag, polywhirl, polywrath! - 140
slowpoke, slowbro! - 142
krabby, kingler! - 144
goldeen, seaking! - 146

too many damn water types!

Alright I give up.

Let's see, who did I miss

I MISSED GODDAMN DITTO. ugh why... - 147
porygon.... of course... - 148
tauros - 149
magnemite, magneton, always hated them - 151

Water types and fighting types, were the hardest to remember
 

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I remember a lot of the Emerald 3rd gen as this is the pokemon game I played and finished.

We played pokemon on a software emulator. Gameboy color was a luxury here when I was 7, there was always "that guy" on summer camps who had it and that guy usually made a business of selling play time for outrageous amounts of cash and AA batteries or cred with the bullies.

107 in less than 10 minutes, I know there were a dozen evolutions I can't name.
I realise that most of the names I wrote might be off, I remember names phonetically.

Also Charizard isn't Charlizard? That makes no sense to me.
Pikachu, Raichu
Ditto
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venosaur
Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath
Charmander, Charmeleon, Charlizard
Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise,
Mew, Mewtwo
Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam
Drowzee, Hypno
Ponyta, Rapidash,
Vulpix, Ninetales
Growlite, Arcanine
Eeve, Vaporeon, Jolteon
Electrabuzz, Magmar
Eggzecutor, Eggzecute,
Magnemite, Magnetron
Slowpoke, Slowbro,
Snorlax,
Staryu, Starmie
Magikarp, Gyarados
Horsea
Omantee, Omastar
Nidoran X, Y, Nidorino, Nidoking, Nidoqueen
Rattata, Raticate
Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres
Dragonite, Dragonair
Jynx, Mime
Gastly, Haunter, Gengar
Meowth, Persian,
Bellsprout, Victreebel
Koffing, Weezing,
Muk, Grimer
Onix,
Geodude, Graveler, Golem
Machop, Machoke, Machamp
Hitmochan
Psyduck, Golduck
Jigglypuff,
Oddish, Gloom,
Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfly
Weedle, Kakuna, Bedril
Venomoth
Zubat, Golbat
Diglet, Dugtrio
Ekans, Arbok
Voltorb,
Kabuto
Aerodactyl
Cubone,
Rhyhorn,
Clefairy, Clefable
Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot
Seems like I tend to group my memories by the common sound of pronunciation, by elements (water, rock, etc.), by the order I encountered them in-game, visual similarity and by evolutions.
 

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Also Charizard isn't Charlizard? That makes no sense to me.
Now that you mention it, it's an obvious pun - which I already knew. That's a new layer to it though, when you type it out like that.

Obviously, Charmander = char, as in cook ("char-broiled")+mander as in salamander, since they're lizards. Charmeleon = chameleon, Charizard = char+lizard! Made more of a pun because the R/L equivalency in Japanese. Ofc the Japanese name for Charizard is Lizardon. Charlizard just doesn't roll off the tongue in English.
 

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Pokémon was one of those things that as a kid you had to know because everybody else knew it so you had to know about it too because it’s all anyone would ever talk about. I think the creators of the show understood this, hence why every Pokémon says its name (often repeatedly) and the show was padded out with “who’s that Pokémon?” challenges.

There’s been plenty of educational games and cartoons, the former tend to be too focused on being educational and either overwhelm the player with rapidly increasing difficulty or bore the player with excessive repetition. The latter tend to be outcompeted by shows like Pokémon which are more engaging by not being limited to educational subjects, and can you imagine the backlash a government funded cartoon would get if it was even remotely violent or titillating?

I think rather than trying to make educational games it would be better to mod in educational components to already popular games, for example say you had to solve math problems to buy guns in Counterstrike, the expensive the gun the more difficult the problem. When the whole class is buying AWPs every round you increase the difficulty of the problems, after this cycle repeats a few times you’ll find kids going out to learn mathematics on their own to try and get ahead of the meta.
 

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doh! I forgot that pokemon go was a thing. That... makes things less impressive.

Please indicate whether you played pokemon go, or if you played any other pokemon more recently that a decade ago. That doesn't invalidate your score, it's just something I want to take into account.

Thus far Adaire is our reigning pokemon master!
 

Artsu Tharaz

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I got 144 or 145, I couldn't think of the name for one. I did it for an hour.

I had named so many water pokemon that I was like, oh there can't be any more water pokemon, surely, and the ones I missed were

Seaking (couldn't think of the name)
Tentacool (TENTACOOL FFS)
Tentacruel
Krabby
Kingler
Lapras
Porygon

Also, I don't play pokemon go.

I was playing one of the recent pokemon games recently, but that didn't help because I didn't even think of one of the pokemon that was on my team.
 

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Charizard = char+lizard! Made more of a pun because the R/L equivalency in Japanese. Ofc the Japanese name for Charizard is Lizardon. Charlizard just doesn't roll off the tongue in English.
Haven't thought of that. As you have mentioned, the Japanese don't distinguish between R and L sounds, but these are always written with "r" as they don't use a character for the alternate sound mode of "r".

I think that Charizard could exist because in Japanese double consonants are pronounced with Gemination, as a single sound (either with a stop or longer syllable), never with a repeated sound. So Charlizard with Japanese syllables would give "Cha rr iz ard" 4 syllables compared to English "Char liz ard" 3 syllables.

Agreed, Charlizard is a bit of a mouthful, there's definitely something to the idea of words/sentences having more consecutive consonants or more syllables as requiring more time to pronounce and being tiresome and undesirable overall. It's also good design practice to interrupt a pattern of "Meleon, Mander, Lizard" with "zard". Not all elements of a pattern have to be used to evoke a specific meaning.


Anyway it would be interesting to make a comparative study of our forum's nicknames taking the same angle.
 

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Charizard = char+lizard! Made more of a pun because the R/L equivalency in Japanese. Ofc the Japanese name for Charizard is Lizardon. Charlizard just doesn't roll off the tongue in English.
I think that Charizard could exist because in Japanese double consonants are pronounced with Gemination, as a single sound (either with a stop or longer syllable), never with a repeated sound. So Charlizard with Japanese syllables would give "Cha rr iz ard" 4 syllables compared to English "Char liz ard" 3 syllables.
Not really. It'd be "cha rri zaa d". So it's actually "izard". Another good example is in Dragon Ball Z where all the names are puns. Saiyan = saiyajin (jin/jim=people), saiya=yasai backwards, and yasai means vegetable, which is why they're all named after vegetables (Vegeta). So it's always going to be a thing. It's actually true poetry, not nonsense. Real poetry being an attempt to answer so far unanswered questions by scholars, it's always fun though to discuss and I like the moments where I laugh after realizing one, and it's okay to scoff at foolish attempts to decipher what has already been known for ages. I've focused my brain power, since I was a wee lad, on the impossible. I also tried to learn Japanese since then although, admittedly, I'm still not fluent but it's fun to learn and see connections through, say, languages which could piece together how the world is and works. I started off studying Asian languages but was also into science or natural philosophy, so don't think my interpretation is too far off the mark. I still need to memorize about 1500 kanji to master or perfect it.
 
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I don't tend to pay detail attention to names, so usually I have a general idea of how something is spelled. I recognize names by their shapes, so that I don't have to read the entire word, I can just recognize it and finish reading the sentence without reading it letter by letter.

I played a lot on the black/ white gameboy and pokemon stadium on n64. It's like 17 years ago. I tried getting into pokemon 10 years later, but having like 4 moves with no strategy or complexity at all didn't really appeal to me

mew
mewtwo
pikachu
raichu
butterfree
charmander
charizard
bulbasaur
venisaur
blastoise
squirtle
arcanine
growlith
meowth
persian
growlith
ninetail

Wtf is the spelling tier:

rinaqueen
tauros
ninaking
leprous
kabuna
exaggerratte
phoenix
arcuna
zapdos
charmeleon
cacuna

Eh, I'm bored. Aaaaaand post reply

Ok, I realized I wrote one of those twice. I'm still gonna count that

Ok ok, I realized I spelled that wrong twice, but fu whatever i don't even care. ur dumb anyway
 

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#14
Eh, the main story and playthrough isn’t complex at all. But if you ever want to play against humans it is a bit more complex.

Levels are capped
No items
Pokemon are seperated into tiers so it’s not just legendaries stomping around all the time
Double battles / singles
Teams of three out of six, or just all six
Held items / abilities matter
EV investment
The four move limit really constrains your options so it’s a bit hard to have an answer for everything



To Pokemon’s credit, in their last few games this IS the endgame. A battle palace where you face AIs using human strategies. Pretty tough when you just cant brute force your way through with levels.
 

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Ehm. Cool dude. I'm learning Japanese too. :confused:

Cha rri zaa do seems most correct to me tbh.
Obviously, I only put d just to see but it's basically correct. If you translate it it's just d or "duh" sound and in Japanese it's "do". So it's "cha rri zaa do", zaa could also be zar but in Japanese it's usually spelled with two a's. There's no point trying to manipulate it so people can "notice" something might not be right and try to come to conclusions hoping it means they're smarter. So it doesn't mean I didn't know that or was merely hiding information. On the other hand during spoken language syllables that end in vowels have a "whisper" effect where the ending of a word or word at the end of a sentence or between words that vowel may not be pronounced so it sounds "silent". So it's just a way of trying to make the "do" sound as close to possible as the English sound which is just a d without the o at the end.
 

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There's no point trying to manipulate it so people can "notice" something might not be right and try to come to conclusions hoping it means they're smarter. So it doesn't mean I didn't know that or was merely hiding information.
I don't understand what you're saying or implying here. Feel free to expand on it. You have this, let's call it uncommon, habit of speaking in two perspectives in a single paragraph and it alienates me as a reader.

I will try to steer back on the topic.
Here is my favourite looking pokemon.
 

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I mean, people, especially you guys here, are fucking stupid whenever I post. Also, you didn't capitalize the P in Pokémon. I'll make a separate thread so you can post in it. Again, I haven't taken this quiz, but will soon. Then, we can compare results. So for now I'll talk about this. I'm not sure if this quiz actually makes sense, seems like self fulfilled prophecy. I already made a few posts about it. All that happens is you "notice" something is missing because you're mad and didn't get what you want, so try to manipulate it to where it seems like you're smarter, out of anger - and studies have shown angry people actually over estimate their intelligence, and they hate it not only because the implications, but the ramifications. Not sure what the outcome is supposed to be. So I hope I answered your question for you anyway. I've been posting here for years, this game was really weird and random. It basically made no sense whatsoever even if you fully intended to play it or not.

That's what Ni is, as it's connected to Se. When you breathe, you subconsciously begin to start to pick up on detail transmitted through the air. If you go further into it, you'll see that people get mad if they don't get what they want from other people. So it makes perfect sense, and you start to get aggravated if it isn't how you expect, like new Pokémon getting released and being disappointed in the designs. Feel free to post again if I didn't answer your question, I'll try to accommodate for it. If that doesn't work maybe we can finally move on to the next thing, as it's usually you guys who make the threads and I just read. If not, I can compensate by posting again. Before that, I might actually play as I have mastered all the Pokémon, or used to back then, pretty much proving this is a weird Si exercised designed as some N game. I will pass it on to some friends I know though who like Pokémon although I doubt they'll play for obvious reasons, and at this point, it's probably too late. Nice try though, I'm not a board game connoisseur obviously as I don't think they contribute much to intellectual development and are just art, and usually just rehash the same formula over and over because it works for the format. I hope the board doesn't freeze and delete this post. Same thing happened last time except I didn't feel like retyping it then and didn't back it up so couldn't post it for you. Whatever it is it's probably in there somewhere, I'm not really a video game addict anymore, although I still play sometimes, as it turned out to be, not the most, but one of the top 10 or so strangest addictions. I'm more into creating things, and like a challenge, so knowing that, now, then, must make it make more sense. It's harder to convince someone they've been fooled than it is to actually fool them.
 

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@Pizzabeak
You're being weirdly hostile and nonsensical. I'm fine with you talking about the etymology of pokemon... but...

This 'everyone is so stupid except for me' routine:
I mean, people, especially you guys here, are fucking stupid whenever I post.
isn't what we're about. You communicate poorly, so people have difficulty understanding you. It's not everyone else, it's you.

There's other stuff you've said I think I take issue with... but I'm not even sure that's what you're saying because you're so incoherent... I'll leave it at you needing to put more effort into making your posts coherent. //modwarning
 

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And don't ban me for this, but wouldn't you "defining" something as incoherent imply your inability to make things coherent? Don't blame me.
 

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No.

If I make up a language that only I understand, and communicate only in this language, I don't get to blame everyone else for not understanding me.

On this forum, we expect a minimum effort whereby most people can easily understand what you're saying. We try to support people in improving their communication where they fall short, but it's not a free pass. Afaik your first language is English? Many people here have English as a second language, and are able to adequately communicate.

For the record, your ban was for hostility, and it came about because as soon as I posted the above, I found you in another thread being hostile without provocation.

However, you have a pronounced tendency to push a large volume of incoherent or unthinking posts, and I see little evidence of genuine interaction between you and other members. This is in combination with your hostility, and your toxic incel tendencies expressed here and on discord. We have reason to want you gone, and not much reason to keep you.

I'm at my wits end with you, and nobody has offered me any reason for your continued participation here. You're on your last warning - Behave yourself, and put in more effort, or be banned permanently.
 

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I'm at my wits end with you, and nobody has offered me any reason for your continued participation here.
Pizzabeak is engaging in conversations regarding psychological types, and given that this forum is based in psychological types - or at least -a- psychological type - then that is worth noting.
 
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