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This thread is for help with math problems: addition, multiplication, long division, fractions, geometry, algebra, trigonometry, calculus, matrices, differential equations, logic, proofs, solving the theory of everything--bring your math problems here.
 

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I am trying to understand the divergence theorem, so I found a YouTube video by an MIT instructor online. There is something I don't understand, and I know it is something that should be easy and I should know it, and so I am wringing my hands trying to figure it out.

I am referring to 16:30-18:15 of this video:

Lec 28 | MIT 18.02 Multivariable Calculus, Fall 2007 - YouTube

The dude claims that the double integral on the surface of the circle of (x^2+y^2) dx dy is equal to the integral with limits 0 to 2pi and the integral with limits 0 to 1 of (r^2)*r dr dtheta, and this is equal to pi/2.

Somehow, this has to be right, but here is the part I don't get: I know that x^2+y^2=r^2, but I don't know why he multiplies by another r. In other words, why not "(r^2) dr dtheta" instead of "(r^2)*r dr dtheta"?
 

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(disclaimer, haven't studied this before, so I might be wrong)


The integral of the unit circle should be from Integral<0, 2π> r^2 d(theta)
(that one should be obvious.)



Then there's the height of the parabola at x <-1, 1> or from <0, 1> in polar coordinates: which gives you the integral <0,1> of r dr.

(converting z = x^2 + y^2 into z = r )
The height should be equal all the way around, so to help you draw it draw the parabola z = x^2 and then set x = 1 (or polar: r which is |x| (the absolute value of x) which is 1)


I think that is how it got there.
 

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No, the two vectors for x + y = 1, at any given point. (it's in the unit circle)
 

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It can help to decompose into three (or two) 2D graphs instead of a 3D one. (do one for Z and X and one for X and Y)
 

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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y+%3D+x^2
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x^2+%2B+y^2+%3D+1
 

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In other words, why not "(r^2) dr dtheta" instead of "(r^2)*r dr dtheta"?
Because it's the right answer, that's why!:mad:

(Unfortunately, this has been my general experience with math teachers. Sensors, all of them.)
 

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No, the two vectors for x + y = 1, at any given point. (it's in the unit circle)
Yes, good point. This is not for homework, so don't hesitate to give me a straight answer. Why the extra r?
 

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the r^2 is the one that occurs in the area of the circle, then the extra r is the one for the curve along the z-axis.

(I think... but as I said, I'm no expert. It just seems to come along with the <0,1> integral (which would be two integrals of <-1,1> if you used x and y instead of polar coordinates.))
 

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Thanks, Jah. I am no stranger to conversions between polar and rectangular coordinates, but I haven't done it with integrals, so I tried finding something on the web. I found this, and I think it may be the solution to the problem.

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It comes from the Wikipedia page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Polar_coordinates
 

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Then, strictly speaking, the figure discussed in that class would fall in under Cylindrical polar coordinates... ?


(as I said, I'm not good at this... :P )


(the following is just me figuring stuff out: )

I'll just have to deconstruct the thing.
First it's like a cone, which means I have to have the area of a circle there. so
the integral of ∏/2 * r = ∏ r^2
Then there's the height, (which should be z = 1 = r^2 )
so I need the integral of that stuff....


Ah.
There it is:

Integral of the circle gives you the Integral<0,2∏> of ∏/2 * r d(theta)
Then the integral of the parabola is Integral <0,1> of 2* r^2 dr

So the r^2 is from parabola, and the r is from integrating the circle. (The two's cancel (you have to double the r value since you're taking the integral on both sides, or the absolute value of x and y (both sides of the Z-axis) ) )
 

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I am trying to understand the divergence theorem, so I found a YouTube video by an MIT instructor online. There is something I don't understand, and I know it is something that should be easy and I should know it, and so I am wringing my hands trying to figure it out.

I am referring to 16:30-18:15 of this video:

Lec 28 | MIT 18.02 Multivariable Calculus, Fall 2007 - YouTube

The dude claims that the double integral on the surface of the circle of (x^2+y^2) dx dy is equal to the integral with limits 0 to 2pi and the integral with limits 0 to 1 of (r^2)*r dr dtheta, and this is equal to pi/2.

Somehow, this has to be right, but here is the part I don't get: I know that x^2+y^2=r^2, but I don't know why he multiplies by another r. In other words, why not "(r^2) dr dtheta" instead of "(r^2)*r dr dtheta"?
Usually at this stage of a course they insert the r just because it has to be there, since you get the wrong answer otherwise. The most concrete way to see this is to try to get the area of a circle using polar coordinates; if you just integrate 1 with theta from 0 to 2pi and r from 0 to R, you'll get 2piR, which is obviously not the area of a circle. If you put the r in, you get 2pi (R^2/2) = piR^2.

The actual reason this works is because when you make the coordinate transformation from cartesian to polar coordinates, you change the area of a small region of the space by a certain amount. That is, the area of a box of the form [a,a+da] x [b,b+db] in cartesian coordinates and a "box" of the from [r,r+dr] x [t,t+dt] are not the same.

This is easiest to see when the transformation is linear, such as mapping a coordinate system whose basis is [1,0], [0,1] into one whose basis is, say, [1,2], [3,1]. A 1x1 box in the first coordinate system is just a 1x1 square, which has area 1. A "1x1 box" in the second coordinate system is a parallelogram in the standard coordinate system. This can be seen by drawing the vertices [0,0], [1,2], [3,1], and [1+3,2+1]=[4,3] and connecting them to form a parallelogram. It is clear without even having to do any arithmetic that the area of this region is different from the area of the first region, despite the fact that the second region can be described as a 1x1 box in a coordinate system.

It is a theorem of linear algebra (no calculus required), that when you make a coordinate transformation from the standard basis [1,0,0...,0], [0,1,0,...], ..., [0,0,...,1] to a new basis v1,v2,...,vn, the "volume" of the 1x1x1x...x1 "box" in the new coordinate system is the determinant of the matrix whose rows (or columns) are v1,v2,...,vn. You may recall that the determinant that you get when you put two vectors in 2 dimensions into a matrix is the area of a paralleogram, while the same thing in 3 dimensions results in the volume of a parallelopiped. This generalizes that result, essentially.

When your region is not defined by a linear transformation but is instead defined by a curvy sort of transformation, like the one from Cartesian to polar coordinates, the idea is actually fairly similar: get the best linear approximation of the transformation at each point, and then multiply by the determinant of that matrix at each point, and add up the result with an integral in the usual way. This matrix corresponding to the best linear approximation is the Jacobian, and for the polar coordinate transformation matrix its determinant at (r,t) is r.

Intuitively, the area of the "box" [r,r+dr] x [t,t+dt] is r dr dt. Or, since theta is constant here, the area of an infinitely thin annulus extending from r to r+dr is 2pi r dr. This should begin to click now if it hasn't already: as you add up the circumferences of circles over varying radii beginning at 0, you fill out the area of a circle.



Incidentally, I really really wish someone would create a hybrid, perhaps year-long linear algebra+Calculus 3 course. So many things like this could be clearer this way.
 

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I don't know what that matrix is supposed to represent, but this is how I learned it.
By a two-dimensional surface, ds = dxdy. But in this case our surface is a circle.

stuffxo.png

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I don't know what that matrix is supposed to represent, but this is how I learned it.
By a two-dimensional surface, ds = dxdy. But in this case our surface is a circle.

stuffxo.png

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This is what I need--something simple. But something is wrong--where is your dr to go with your integral with respect to r? You can't take the integral of r^3 to get r^4/4 if you don't have a dr, can you?
 

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Yeah, I forgot the dr with the r^2 substitution. I'm kind of wondering right now why it's not pi though, since area=pi*r^2

Do you know how the polar coordinates are integrating?
 

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Oh, the y integration limits are wrong on the first integral, but it doesn't seem to matter for what you want to know.
 

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So um I actually made a bunch of mistakes

I shouldn't have put ds of the arc as the same as ds in the integral because ds of the arc means the change of the path and ds of the integral means the change of the surface.

I hope someone figures out where the two is supposed to go because that doesn't make sense that it would be pi/2 and not. Unless I'm being stupid.

Bah, this is why I hate math.
 

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I don't know what that matrix is supposed to represent, but this is how I learned it.
By a two-dimensional surface, ds = dxdy. But in this case our surface is a circle.

stuffxo.png

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Why are you converting it to polar coordinates?

You usually only need to convert it to polar coordinates if the region you're integrating over is circular in some way.

I would just do straight-forward integrals with that problem.

EDIT:

The region you're integrating over is a rectangle:

R = [-1,1] X [-1,1]
 

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I am trying to understand the divergence theorem, so I found a YouTube video by an MIT instructor online. There is something I don't understand, and I know it is something that should be easy and I should know it, and so I am wringing my hands trying to figure it out.

I am referring to 16:30-18:15 of this video:

Lec 28 | MIT 18.02 Multivariable Calculus, Fall 2007 - YouTube

The dude claims that the double integral on the surface of the circle of (x^2+y^2) dx dy is equal to the integral with limits 0 to 2pi and the integral with limits 0 to 1 of (r^2)*r dr dtheta, and this is equal to pi/2.

Somehow, this has to be right, but here is the part I don't get: I know that x^2+y^2=r^2, but I don't know why he multiplies by another r. In other words, why not "(r^2) dr dtheta" instead of "(r^2)*r dr dtheta"?

And he would be wrong...

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is easily solved using iterated integrals.

The answer is 8/3, not pi / 2.

The surface is not a "circle", a circle is a 2-D object.

The surface is a cylinder in 3-D space.

EDIT:

Not trying to be mean but are you seriously trying to self-learn multivariable calculus? From what you posted it seems like you are totally going off on a tangent on the subject.

It would be a waste of time trying to learn such a high level math by yourself because you need a college professor to teach this kind of calculus.
 

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We should have an interactive blackboard of some sort.
 

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I don't know what that matrix is supposed to represent, but this is how I learned it.
By a two-dimensional surface, ds = dxdy. But in this case our surface is a circle.

stuffxo.png

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I described what the matrix means. The Jacobian matrix appears in the linear approximation to a function:
f(x) is approximately equal to f(x0) + (J(x0))(x-x0)
where J(x0) is the Jacobian matrix at the point x0. This is exactly analogous to the one variable case:
f(x) is approximately equal to f(x) + f'(x0)(x-x0)
except that the most natural "derivative" of a function which maps vectors to vectors (such as f(r,t) = (r*cos(t),r*sin(t))) is a matrix, not a number.

When the transformation is just a linear transformation, it is entirely described by a matrix, and it stretches area/volume/higher dimensional analogues of volume by a factor of the absolute value of its determinant. This is easy to see in 2 dimensions where we have a simple formula for the determinant which can be easily seen to be the area of a parallelogram, where the parallelogram is the 1x1 box in the new coordinate system.

While I haven't proved it for you, it should make a bit of sense that if a linear transformation stretched area/volume/etc. by a factor of the absolute value of its determinant, then a nonlinear transformation should stretch tiny pieces of area/volume, at each point, by a factor of the absolute value of the determinant of its Jacobian, since the transformation looks like the linear transformation with that determinant at that point. This can then be made precise using the integral formula in which |J| appears as a multiplicative factor in the integrand.

Anyway your coordinate substitution is all wrong there. Ignore the integrand in thinking about coordinate substitution; you have to put it in terms of the new coordinates, but it doesn't affect the limits. Looking only at the limits, you have -1 <= x <= 1, -1 <= y <= 1. This is a SQUARE, not a circle. A circle (say of radius 1 for clarity) has -sqrt(1-x^2) <= y <= sqrt(1-x^2) and -1 <= x <= 1. These square roots and squares are why we use polar coordinates for these integrals in the first place, as it reduces these complicated limits into simple constant limits.

The_Journey: isn't it actually a paraboloid or something? You're right that it's not the area of a circle, though; the x^2 and y^2 needs to be in the limits, not the integrand, to get the area of a circle. Getting area out of a double integral requires the integrand to be identically 1, otherwise you get the volume under a surface. (When the integrand is identically 1, the numeric value is of course the same as the volume under the surface z=1; but this is not usually the quantity we want in these contexts.)
 

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And he would be wrong...

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is easily solved using iterated integrals.

The answer is 8/3, not pi / 2.

The surface is not a "circle", a circle is a 2-D object.

The surface is a cylinder in 3-D space.

EDIT:

Not trying to be mean but are you seriously trying to self-learn multivariable calculus? From what you posted it seems like you are totally going off on a tangent on the subject.

It would be a waste of time trying to learn such a high level math by yourself because you need a college professor to teach this kind of calculus.
I have taken multivariable calculus ten years ago, and I am in a grad school that requires knowledge of multivariable calculus but there are no easily-accessible calculus specialists. I know that the solution given is wrong, so we need the right solution. I know you can do this. How would you solve the problem? Why is dx dy = r dr dtheta?
 

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I found an answer on the web (Yahoo answers), and it seems to be a summary of what Latro was trying to tell me:

dx dy is the area of the infinitesimal square, in the Cartesian formulation.

r dr dθ is the area of an infinitesimal increase in a sector, of chord-length (r dθ) and width dr.
i.e. it is the difference in area between sectors as you increase the radius from r→(r+dr)
thus the area difference between r^2 dθ and r (r+dr) dθ.
When you subtract those you get r dr dθ.

(Since dr is infinitesimally small compared to r, this difference-of-sector-areas really reduces to just a rectangle of height (r dθ) and width dr.)

For the proof that this is the Jacobian determinant of the Cartesian→polar coordinate conversion, see the Wikipedia link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_coordinate_system#Generalization

I think Latro wins. I had no idea that this problem was so difficult. I am sorry for all of that trouble--I thought it would be easy.
 

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Yeah, the answer is 8/3.

So you integrate over the two surfaces and get 4/3 for each cube that represents the volume that the surface would make had you plotted in a z-axis. Basically Z=X^2+Y^2.

I think the Jacobian thing is just that if you take a circle and split its arc up into x and y components, you get x = rcos(theta) and y = rsin(theta). This forms a triangle from which you know that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 and you end up with x^2+y^2 = r^2, so r^2cos^2(theta) + r^2sin^2(theta) = r^2. Divide out r^2 and you're left with cos^2(theta) + sin^2(theta) = 1, which is a trig formula; so now you could plug that into the x and y axis equation for finding the area of a circle and you can change it to polar coordinates.

I'm pretty sure what I gave you was right though, I just didn't have the right limits on the integral and I'm not really sure what they would be. We'd be taking the two cubes in cartesian coordinates with limits on -1 to 1 and looking for what r would be in the polar coordinates (since theta would be from 0 to 2pi because we want the total cube volume in polar).

By force-fitting r^4/4 * 2pi = 8/3, I get r = 1.1415, which seems to make sense, since we're comparing the volume of a sphere with two identical cubes, so it should be greater than 1.
 

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Sphere, identical cubes ?

(I'm confused.)
(I need a program to write clear equations for me.)



I mean, I can get both the values he has in the equation.
The Integral <0,2π> r d(theta) gives you the unit circle circumference.
And you multiply that to the integral <0,1> for Z (which is r^2) dr

Then you get the original double integral equation
Which gives you 2∏ * 1/4 * r^4 (And r = 1) so you get ∏/2


Why do you get 8/3 ?


(are you assuming r = 1.1415 ? .. why ? )


the radius equals 1 (since it is defined that Z = 1. (or isn't it ? ) )
 

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Oh, goodie. I have a simple one ^^

Calculate x and lim h(x) / x -> ∞

h(x) =




I've derived using the quotient rule, just wonder if anyone still remembering this would see if they get the same answer.

Writing the whole thing in word would be a bit tedious, but if necessary I'll do it.
 

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...How did you get that equation exactly?

Anyway, I don't entirely understand the question. You're getting the limit of h(x) as x->infinity? That will turn out to be 1/2. You can figure this out in three ways. The first is intuitive; simply consider the dominant term when terms are being added and then do all the other operations. So the x^2 terms stick around, the other terms become insignificant, and you're left with x^2/2x^2 = 1/2, which is the right answer. The second is formal but algebraic: simply divide top and bottom by the largest power in the bottom. Then throw out the terms that go to zero and see what's left. This yields:
(1+1/x-3/x^2)/(2+4/x^2)->(1+0+0)/(2+0)=1/2.
The third way, which is probably the worst way for problems like this but the only way for more general problems, is to use L'Hopital's Rule. Here you have to do it twice; doing this gets you to 2/4=1/2.
 

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My bad, I forgot to write h'(x)

We're supposed to derive. I see that it's supposed to be 20 + 2, not -2.



Which means the limit is infinitive as the value keeps getting larger when I input values.
 

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...What? If you're doing:
lim x->infinity h(x) = f(x)/g(x)
and you get infinity/infinity upon substitution (as you do here), you do not differentiate h itself to get the answer. Here's an example that shows why not:
lim x->infinity (x-1)/(x+1)=1.
Why? The x's get big relative to the 1's, and then x/x=1. This should be apparent without even knowing any calculus; imagine x being big. Heck, even plug in numbers; by the time you get to 100, you have 99/101; when you get to 1000 you have 999/1001; etc. It's clear the numbers are going to 1.

On the other hand, if you differentiate using the quotient rule you get:
h'(x) = ((x+1)-(x-1))/(x+1)^2 = 2/(x+1)^2
which goes to ZERO, not 1. Do not do this.

Instead you compute the limit:
lim x->infinity f'(x)/g'(x)
which is NOT h'(x). When you do this with this problem you get (2x+1)/4x, which still gives infinity/infinity. So you do it again and you get 2/4=1/2 which is the right answer.
 

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One would think I remember what I learned a month ago, but it seems I have gotten so caught up in deriving that I see little else.

And then it's just as simple as dividing everything with the highest power in the denominator.

Thank you, mister Latro. My eyes has been opened to the wonderful bliss that is math.
 

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Hey, I'm bad at math and I need help as soon as possible. I already know the answer to this one, but I really need to be helped through the process of solving it as I have to use this for many different numbers and I can't really for the life of me figured out the way to go about solving it to get the same answer as they came up with.

My problem:
 

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Hey, I'm bad at math and I need help as soon as possible. I already know the answer to this one, but I really need to be helped through the process of solving it as I have to use this for many different numbers and I can't really for the life of me figured out the way to go about solving it to get the same answer as they came up with.

My problem:

OK, I presume you have to do the work without a calculator. With problems like these, the way to do it is to start with the stuff on the insides of the parentheses, then after you that you work your way to the outside.

I will express the equation in simple text format like so: f_100 = (344/2)*sqrt((0/2.0)^2+(0/1.0)^2+(1/0.8)^2). Let me know if you can't understand that formatting.

The first two phrases inside the square-root umbrella are (0/2.0)^2 and (0/1.0)^2, and they have zeroes in the numerator, which makes it real simple. They are both going to be 0. Zeroes are always a big help. So those phrases go away and the equation now looks: f_100=(344/2)*sqrt((1/0.8)^2)

Then you move on to (1/0.8). 0.8 is 4/5, so 1/0.8 is the inverse of 4/5, which means 1/0.8 = 5/4. (1/0.8)^2 = (5/4)^2

Now, you can do the math for (5/4)^2, but without a calculator that would be tough. But, I'll be darned: the square root actually helps you out here and gives you a shortcut. sqrt(x^2)=x, so((5/4)^2)=5/4.

The whole square root phrase simplifies to 5/4, so now in total you are left with f_100 = (344/2)*(5/4).

Do the multiplication of the fraction: (344/2)*(5/4)=(150+22)*(5/4)=177*(5/4)=177*(5/4)=(500+70*5+7*5)/4=(500+350+35)/4=(500+385)/4=(885)/4=885/4.

There's my answer. f_100 = 885/4. Did I get it right?
 

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I made at least one mistake in the last step. (344/2)*(5/4) is actually 215, but I think I have the other steps nailed.
 

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Just one thing I got wrong.

(344/2)*(5/4)=(150+22)*(5/4)=172*(5/4)=172*(5/4)=(500+70*5+2*5)/4=(500+350+10)/4=860/4=200+15=215.

I'm cool, now, right?
 

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By the way, I am using the code that Google Calculator uses. So I can check all of my work by copying and pasting (344/2)*sqrt((0/2.0)^2+(0/1.0)^2+(1/0.8)^2) into a Google search, and it will give me (344 / 2) * sqrt(((0 / 2.0)^2) + ((0 / 1.0)^2) + ((1 / 0.8)^2)) = 215. Google is cool like that.
 

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(The answer should be 86hz)

I don't have to do it by hand. A calculator is fine.

Why do I have to convert 1/0.8 to 5/4? (I've forgot how to convert x.x to x/x btw:o)

And yes, the first two are easy because of the 0. I'm just unsure how to go about it.

Just to let you know how I've tried to solve it. I start with stuff inside the parentheses as you pointed out I should do. Everything becomes 0 except (1/0.8)2. So I just divide 1 by 0.8 and I'm left with 1.25^2 which should be 2.5. I then take the square root of that number which should be 1.118. Then I'm left with 344/2*1.118 so I divide 344 by 2 to get 172 then I do 172*1.118 to get a completely different answer (of course) 192.296.

Where do I screw up?

Thanks a lot for trying to help me out Abe. Really appreciated.
 

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(The answer should be 86hz)

I don't have to do it by hand. A calculator is fine.

Why do I have to convert 1/0.8 to 5/4? (I've forgot how to convert x.x to x/x btw:o)

And yes, the first two are easy because of the 0. I'm just unsure how to go about it.

Just to let you know how I've tried to solve it. I start with stuff inside the parentheses as you pointed out I should do. Everything becomes 0 except (1/0.8)2. So I just divide 1 by 0.8 and are left with 1.25^2 which should be 2.5. I then take the square root of that number which should be 1.118. Then I'm left with 344/2*1.118 so I divide 344 by 2 to get 172 then I do 172*1.118 to get a completely different answer (of course) 192.296.

Where do I screw up?

Thanks a lot for trying to help me out Abe. Really appreciated.
Error is in bold. 1.25^2 = 1.5625, not 2.5.
 

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Error is in bold. 1.25^2 = 1.5625, not 2.5.

ah, thanks:) but it still didn't turn out right:(

I then use 1.5625 and square the shit out of it to get 1.25 (is that correct?) then do 172*1.25 to get 215, which is still miles away from 86
 

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I am using fractions instead of decimals because, without a calculator, it is easier to do the math that way. With a calculator, of course it is generally better to stick with decimals.

The way to convert from decimals to fractions is to divide the right side of the decimal by 10 or 100 or 1000, etc.

For example, 0.8 is the same as 8/10, which is 4/5 (divide top and bottom by 2).

0.85 is the same as 85/100, which is 17/20 (divide top and bottom by 5).

Don't overlook the shortcut of sqrt(x^2) = x.

Here's another thing I forgot: any time you take the square root of anything, you have two answers, one positive and the other negative. The calculators always return the positive value, but your answer should be given with a plus-or-minus sign.
 

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Don't overlook the shortcut of sqrt(x^2) = x.
What do you mean? Do you refer when inputting on the calculator? like just typing 1.25 then x2 then sqrt?
Here's another thing I forgot: any time you take the square root of anything, you have two answers, one positive and the other negative. The calculators always return the positive value, but your answer should be given with a plus-or-minus sign.


So the answer is +-1.25 after sqrt? How do I solve the remaining then? And what is remaining? 172*+-1.25?:confused:
 

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What do you mean? Do you refer when inputting on the calculator? like just typing 1.25 then x2 then sqrt?
I am not talking about using a calculator, no, I am talking about math. The definition of a square root is this:
a = b^2

Therefore,

b = sqrt(a)​
It follows that:
b = sqrt(b^2)​
This means you don't need to do the two different math operations. Any time you have something inside the square root that is squared, both the square root and the square cancel each other out, so:

sqrt(1.25^2) = 1.25​
So the answer is +-1.25 after sqrt? How do I solve the remaining then? And what is remaining? 172*+-1.25?:confused:
172*+-1.25 = +-172*1.25 = +-215

So, your two answer are 215 and -215.
 

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Why does the answer in the book say 86 then :confused:? I must be missing something.
 

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pm sent. Let's see if you can make some sense out of it.
 

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pm sent. Let's see if you can make some sense out of it.
Yeah, I can make sense of it. The writer of the textbook made an error. He mixed up his subscripts. If we are substituting the values: l, m and n, then we use the frequency f_lmn. In this case, l, m and n equals 0, 0 and 1, so his frequency should be f_001, not f_100. You will notice that he or she listed f_001 as 215 Hz, which is the correct value. He organized his math in Excel or something, switched some of his shit around, and didn't check his work. Every textbook has errors like that.
 

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Yes, I can see it now. Thanks for clearing that up and for everything. So frustrating, I've spent so many hours with this only to hear from you now that he mixed it up. Sigh.

One last thing. If I were to write this in a open office spread sheet could I write it like this;

x/xsqrt(x/x)^2+(x/x)^2+(x/x)^2 or

x/xsqrt((x/x)^2+(x/x)^2+(x/x)^2)

or none of the above?
 
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