A chap by the name of Artsu Tharaz who frequents here is apparently pretty good, though I never found the time to actually take him up on his offer to play some.
I think that INTPs are probably good at becoming proficient at poker quickly, where the main obstacle to improvement is comprehending the probability and overcoming bias. However, I don't think they'd be that great at the top level, where knowing the odds is a given and games are decided more by perceptiveness and controlling one's own tells.
Memory is also a big deal. You need to pay attention to what people do at different phases of the game, and between rounds and even in previous games. If someone checks pre-flop it's unlikely they have aceace, which you need to remember that at the turn. When the game has 10 players in it, remembering any given person's actions is very demanding. It can be non-semantic information too, such as a slight tendency towards aggression when one has the winning hand. All the information comes together to form an inference of what your opponent has. If you're the kind of INTP who's good at analysis but sucks at synthesising vast quantities of details, you're probably not well equipped to ever excel at poker beyond breaking the initial learning curve.
I played online with no stakes for a while. I wasn't bad, but I know my strengths and once I got a feel for what was required (and how ill equipped I was to go further), I desisted in favour of one of my other interests.
There's a pretty big casino in Sydney. I've been thinking I'll throw a few hundred dollars at Texas Hold'em soon and see how it goes. If I ever get around to it, I'll report back and let you know.
Edit: oh wait, that's redundant - I'm not INTP
I'm a strong poker player (most poker players believe this, btw, so it really doesn't mean much). I love the thinking involved and the "on the fly" probability calculations to determine what is the best play. I think INTPs are generally well-suited for poker.
I will say this, though. I do more thinking with online poker and more "feeling" with live poker. Live poker serves up to our intuition splendidly. With the right players, I can tell exactly where I stand with little to no effort. This has paid off very handsomely. It does not shield one from bad beats, however. With poker there will always be a matter of luck that one cannot control.
I would class poker players into 3 levels: weak, moderate, and strong.
I would class myself as a moderate player with the potential to be a strong player.
Everyone I see at the tables I play are moderate to weak, and it's the moderates profiting off of the weak and ignoring each other.
If you surpass strong-level, then you can control luck.
Online or Live? What you describe sounds like online. The names you recognize as stronger players you tend to avoid serious confrontations with unless you're packing some heat. Knowing a weak player's tendencies allows you to play them to perfection. There are many subtle variations that are easily attacked. Loose-passive pre flop, tight-passive post flop is about the luckiest find. Just get into a hand with them and push them out.
I disagree with controlling luck. The best you can do is out perform bad luck. Sometimes you're just going to have to be all-in with the best of it and pray they don't hit outs... or you push hard with a seriously strong draw and end up pot committed and praying yourself for a bit of luck. These situations are unavoidable and part of the game.
I hope these stats are for 6-max cash. That's way too loose for full ring. 6-max cash is my favorite game.My HUD stats back when I did use a HUD were something like 30/20. (I suspect that they are even looser now, maybe like 40/25, but I'll tighten up if others at the table are too aggressive)
I hope these stats are for 6-max cash. That's way too loose for full ring. 6-max cash is my favorite game.
I like your approach, though. Being unpredictable is important. I will often raise with just about any holding at random times to mix things up. Always playing the same cards the same way will allow others to put you on a hand and play perfect poker against you.
btw I made a cool little rule-of-thumb formula for how many hands to raise from each position, given no other information, it was something like:
n = number of players left to act after you
raise roughly 1/[(n-1)*2] of your hands hands, e.g. top 25% from the cut-off
(the formula doesn't apply to small blind)
I would assume he means by the pre flop value, as once you see the flop, turn and river this changes hand value immensely. You have to work from the information currently available, not guess at what will come later.
What percentage do you guys 3 bet with pre flop?
I am always guessing at what could come later. That's how I decide what hands to play. It's why I feel comfortable raising with 87s and not as comfortable raising with KTo. KTo is a stronger hand pre flop, but you know less about your strength at the river as you would with 87s.
??? How do you know less about the strength of one hand compared to another? You always know the strength of your own hand, the difficulty comes with comparing it to the strength of your opponents. In that regard I prefer raising premium hands as I know I will often have stronger than my oponants pre flop and more likely to be ahead post flop.
I'm very tight with 3bets unless I'm short stacked or the player I'm going to be tangling with is short stacked. I will occasionally 3bet a very loose raiser, but I'm generally not a fan of building huge pots pre flop. I think the last time I looked I was doing it like 4-5%.
I 3 bet loose and get away with it by targeting loose players and maintaining a tight table image. I tighten my range according to player tightness although its always fun to 3 bet a tight player loose when you know its likely they'll give you too much respect and under value their own hand.
I play 9 ring cash games live so I would expect a much looser 3 betting range for 6 max, in position of course. People play very honestly I find at these stakes, so just listen to what their bets are telling you and you can work out when you're good. People don't generally bluff so you shouldn't call off their big bets, its not worth catching them that one time they are trying to bluff.
How does one do this? My ex is giving me so much grief...
I actually believe this, based on how shit you are at Mafia despite having ran forum games for it.
I mean, sniping your own team mate?
Yeah, that's meta as fuck, bro.
I would hate to have you on my right! Now how do you determine which hands are in the top x%? Do you base it on their pre flop quality, flop potential, or river potential?
1. what is a caro
2. a. is this sarcasm/spite?
__b. if yes... why lol?
Its a joke, I didn't mean to offend you at all. Its kinda sarcasm, kinda not. Mike Caro is a fantastic poker player and is known for all the theory he has written on the game. I think his game of choice is 5 card draw, but don't know for sure. He's kinda like your Dr. Emmett Brown of poker in a sense. He like the type of guy who is crazy like a fox. Couldn't help but seeing similarities between you two. *shrug*
Look him up on google, he has tons of books he has written on poker theory.