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Black Panther

JohnnyLawrence

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This isn't complicated. People believe in role models. Since white men have been overrepresented in our stories for so long, my point obviously was that it's good to have some other role models as well, that reflect the audience. Can you actually imagine what it would be like to look around you at all the heroes of your culture and see NO ONE admirable who you can personally identify with, to feel inspired by? I'm guessing not.

I have no problem with media reflecting society. My point was that wakanda is an ethno-nationalist country that doesn't want any diversity and yet it seems to be cheered in a time when we are supposed to be cheering diversity

I didnt think Captain Marvel was in the top tier of MCU films, but I did think it was great to see all the girls and young women there with their families to see a woman who might inspire them.... just like Wonder Woman a year or two again. It's not a bad thing, and there is no rule of who a superhero is supposed to be either.

Ok but why does an inspirational woman have to be a violent one?

You've lost me. Our entertainment has been inundated by male violence since its inception, so... what's your point? (I'm kinda hoping it's not that "women aren't allowed to use force because they have to be loving and kind and stabilize the culture while men pursue violence.")

No my point is that we shouldn't be celebrating violence as it is so why would we then cheer on MORE violence but this time being perpetrated by women?

Wakanda has really only been in one movie extensively (and part of a second). They're an African country. Let's see what their direction is, now that they decided to open their land to others. It's called a "story arc," not the static state of white male domination for the first 50+ years of comics history in the USA, at least, where there was no arc... just inundation. I'm interested in seeing how Wakanda continues to evolve.

i think most 'white males' have themselves been dominated by the system and the ruling class that runs it

I think you are drawing the line in the sand in the wrong place and that you have been tricked into doing this by the elites who want you blaming the men around you instead of the elites who have been screwing everyone for centuries
 

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I've heard Captain Marvel is pretty bad. Not sure if I'll see it. Wonderwoman was worth seeing (though the third act was atrocious).

I have mixed feelings about representation when it's done poorly. The new ghostbusters seemed to miss what made the original good, substituting substance for identity. I also much prefer when they make characters that stand on their own (e.g. Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Wonderwoman) instead of taking a brand and shoe-horning representation into it (Superwoman/girl, Batwoman/girl, Lady Thor, She Hulk).
Captain Marvel was a love story. It was about the usual dynamic between attacker and the attacked. As usual, it dealt with the consequences of being in that situation like any other love story, the only twist was that he's an alien on a secret mission, and the commander Yon-Rogg is trying to take Una. If he dies, he loses his life. He isn't really a super hero, and just a species of Kree resembling a human, and so needs devices to breathe while on Earth exposed to its atmosphere. He couldn't really fly and used a jetbelt, which was like a set of jetpacks, and could fly through space utilizing it as well. He wasn't really that strong. The original girl the story was over dies, but Carol Danvers became a main character and tied to Captain Marvel, although not in the exact way as depicted in the recent movie. She of course comes back as Ms. Marvel, and later the new Captain Marvel after being Binary and Warbird during her recruitment in X-Men and Avengers. It wasn't that bad, and wasn't necessarily a character to an attempt to throw some interesting concept together with a random name.

They can't always fit everything into an adaptation, so they sometimes merge characters or go through different means to depict a concept metaphorically, or try to be clever with irony just to create fictional worlds. It gets worse when you see it as a push and shove between Marvel and DC, if that's what it is, I like it less as it would be better if they didn't have to ride each other's portfolio so hard, so it's basically a joke and the entirety of it, is provoked responses in a publish or perish mindset just to sell more copy.

The character's existence is unable to be reconciled with a relation with any other art form as forced criticism of one another, or a standalone art. It isn't art for art's sake, and can be as intellectual as video games or film and music. It's as cerebral as its relation between the art depicted and the text. It's really just a fight over the name Captain Marvel as if it were some title, as its utterance conveys a particular whisper in its sound through the vibrations of it all. It's basically a concept they threw together and let it expire in no more than a one shot. I don't like how they made it a component of the popular media. I remember being a kid, and thought Captain Marvel was a cool character. I don't like how they change the mantle in comic books and in the audio-visual mediums such as summer blockbusters they don't always have enough time to be exactly faithful to the source material, and so just make reference. I also don't like any dream sequences that much, or in this case the encounters with the Supreme Intelligence didn't necessarily resemble anything in this reality, and was more like a dream. Similarly the ritualistic ancestor contact scenes in Black Panther were literal showing how that goes, they didn't go to other worlds, more like strange Earth like realms or planets. In reality, such experiences may be more symbolic, or in the case of dreams, there could be people there that you might encounter, although it would be more like Inception than anything else. Any such self referential thing isn't just your mind or created in your imagination, so that entities or characters that appear to you as if in hallucination are "real" or not, it would be a similar case, perhaps, with alien like contact. You could still make the differentiation between anything being in your head is real or not, or what constitutes as being a projection and how that plays in a definition, so that anything alien can be delineated, potentially. It would still be "real" or "count" for something, whereas a typical dream like situation, to most conventional science beliefs, are really only of benefit to that person's self in a help your neighbor way. It isn't about much more than that.
 
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