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can matter and everything in universe eternal

sushi

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or is it like ice cream, melt to oblivion one day.

can something have eternal form, or it is destined to be temporarily exist in the a state like an ice cream.
 

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Everything does have an eternal form in the universe, just not the formation we conceptualise it at. Atoms (protons, neutrons, electrons, neutrinos, spin, quarks, sub-atomic particles) all have an essence, they are eternal. We percieve objects as what they appear to be, Steel is steel, not an arrangement between these atomic particles multiplicitiously scaled by a googolplex. Energy is eternal, it cannot be created or destroyed in our current observation (It can be said energy has appeared from nowhere, but we cannot say deterministically it didn't come from an energy source which is beyond our current model of understanding). it is just arranged, combinated and dispersed.

In terms of complex formation of energy which is eternalistic, forms that are composite cannot be eternal.
 

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On the train one day, I thought about Kant's conception of time and space, which are more impositions of our sensory perceptions on reality.

This means that time in itself does not exist, but only within our sensory perceptions.

Perhaps that means each moment is eternal, because time is just a imposed concept..
 

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its all ice cream. thank you for the insight.

the universe is very cold in most places, causing the cream to stay tight, but the seven hells drive it apart and disperse it. is the udder at the center of being giving new milk, infinitely? will the seven hells run out of hate? will the great cow freeze to death?
 

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both eternal time and finite time are impossible to make sense of, so maybe the answer is something completely different

maybe if someone told you how it really works, you would immediately go insane
 

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I tend to think of it as an illusion. The progression of things depends on your orientation with it, similar to relativity, but with time.

It's like playing a record. The record was already made, it just needs to be played to mean something. Now our minds are orientated in a particular direction, due to its inherit physics, but what happens if you play the record in reverse? If our lives were played in reverse, wouldn't the meaning and experience be completely different? Maybe we have these alternate reflections of ourselves, conscious in a different orientation.

Then consider that there can be more than one dimension to time. So you could traverse in complex ways and perhaps in ways that have infinite dimensions. Then reality is the record and it is a hologram of all its potential that it can be. The record becomes everything and our playing of it becomes its voice.

But is that true? I don't know, but I really do wonder sometimes.
 

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Everything, universe, eternal, matter. 3 of these definitions require omnipresence to discuss. Perhaps its flawed for us to discuss concepts beyond our understanding.

So far we're still addressing the mysteries of the universe as pluralistic, so far not approaching a singularity.
 

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well black holes , the most eternal object, evaporates so maybe not

but it seems strange that something seems so eternal can turn into dust, maybe its a cycle. thing evaporates, then forms and lumps again.
 
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