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Volstar

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spanish artist rosalia just won 2 grammy awards for best latin song and best fusion/urban performance
so a lot of random popular people and latin american artists on twitter went on a spree of hate because spain is not latin america thus giving a spanish artist a latin award means smth smth cultural appropriator



as a musician and a guy who loves all kinds of music from all over the globe i feel like this is bullshit, it's kinda the same case for Bruno Mars and Wu tang clan. furthermore she has proved everyone to be very talented. it's not only about the excellence of his sound engineer it's also about her super skilled performance. these days spain is all about latin american artists, and it's true that a lot of spanish artists do imitate latin american accents just because it's trendy but i don't think this the case for her. plus spain and latin america have been invading each other since always and that should be fine. i love invading other countries.
see the spoiler and read through my rant in order to try to understand me, if not feeling like that just talk about the topic.

NOW personally because of life experiences i can kinda see where this hate is coming from

for example, a person i knew from eu believed to be latin american, this person started tracing parallels and tangents of his mindset and what our culture wants to communicate and thus believed to have been latino in past life. this person would go in his social media quoting stuff by frida kahlo, and then pretend latin accent and stuff like that, he believed he was a poet and knew a lot about art because he read about it 24/7, he's seen as cool because of this. and that's where the problem begins.
i believe this is because of all the trendy hippy stuff about living like che guevara travelling around south america so on. i know this because i know people who replace real life with travelling (isn't it kinda hypocrite of me to be saying this?) in fact a german friend of mine has been travelling south america for some months now. so i think the problem is that in instagram you can be anything you believe you are.
in lithuania i remember how most of the bars in the center of the city had south american names. again their context of what some call their cultural censorship is another different topic.

i'm not against liking a country that's not yours or a culture, or travelling around, i'm not against naming your bar after an latin american cliche, i'm not against it until it becomes a mandatory thing. and apparently not agreeing with that thing does make you part of the problem when it shouldn't be like that.
i watch anime, i love english music and i go to places, i date girls from everywhere, eat pizza. that's not the point.

the point is that there's a tendency to take merit for things without having to prove them, same for getting a job in photography even when your work is blatant bs, or getting a job as a graphic designer when there are maybe other 10.million. people out there who can perform just as good.
this is my problem with artists, i have a friend who spent 4 years of his life in a university program in fine arts and his stuff is not bad because is not good, it's bad because it shows absolutely no intent at trying at all. all he does is experimental to don't get stuck in a compromising position. still he gets the jobs. how.
is it all happening only in the liberal arts field and that's why i get triggered?. maybe. probably since always? i don't know. you don't need talent to prove you are from a certain place, there's no talent required to believe in open borders. it's about attitude. and i'm not against that attitude, i'm against making things mandatory. am i being just too critic cuz i'm bored? probably too.
but i feel like everything has to be very uncompromising in order to be real.

so then i see myself; i've lived in many places but i'm originally latin american and i have been in situations where i had to pull out my id card and show my place of birth so the person was cool about me saying i was latin american because i didn't look brownie.

so what is this world about? i don't understand anyone or anything. i just wanna believe in what i can do and what i can learn. and if it turns out nicely then it was true. if it won't then it was a lie.
 

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Look at all the most successful rock/metal musicians from the US. Heck, look at all the pop artists in the US that are super popular. You know what they all have in common? They rip off other artists. That's the sad truth. Being an artist is as much about being an entrepreneur now as it is having interesting work. Things are more bureaucratic now.

And there has to be a cultural divide because if there is not, then I can start a Mongolian metal band even though I am from the midwest in the US and that would just be plain dishonest.

To be anything of anything you have to know how to play the game. If your product is good, but you don't know how to play the game, forget about it.
 

lightfire

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America is not exactly #1 in geography and culture.
 

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I guess it’s a mix of jealous people and people hungry for some social-justice cookie points. They are emerging from their dark corners like a bunch of zombies sensing the smell of fresh meat.
 

ZenRaiden

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A lot of people care a lot about a lot of things that dont matter a lot at all actually.
99 percent people dont know what the brain is for. It dont matter that you do this or get an award there. It really is just whateva.
 

moody

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as a musician and a guy who loves all kinds of music from all over the globe i feel like this is bullshit
here's no talent required to believe in open borders. it's about attitude. and i'm not against that attitude, i'm against making things mandatory. am i being just too critic cuz i'm bored? probably too.
but i feel like everything has to be very uncompromising in order to be real.
I am also a musician (as in it's my career and life) and I also get frustrated at many of the "cultural appropriation" claims concerning art.

"Cultural Appropriation" is a large problem in the US because it promotes a lack of respect for cultures that other people consider part of their identity, which I completely understand. But I've met a lot of people who don't actually think considerately, and look for ways they can call something racist. I think Serac called it;
it's a mix of jealous people and people hungry for some social-justice cookie points
I'm in the classical world, and I've met African American orchestra players who've said white people should play African or Latino music, while they're sitting and playing western music for a living. I think this is a more radical opinion, but it shows how people turn a reaction to how they've personally been treated into an argument for cultural appropriation.

Cultural appropriation comes from people taking ideas from other's they are racist towards, and acting as though it's theirs. I get why someone would be so deeply offended, as our cultural art is used in the ways we define who we are. At the same time, someone can go way too far with their claims of cultural appropriation when they use their hurt feelings and apply to it any situation they could get away with using it in. To me, that in itself can cause even more oppression.
 

moody

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I'm in the classical world, and I've met African American orchestra players who've said white people should play African or Latino music, while they're sitting and playing western music for a living.
edit: *white people shouldn't play...
 
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