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Does any one else have hard time figuring out women especially infj ?
 

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Different types of women exist. Like different types of men exist. You learn what they are through interaction of what feels comfortable and uncomfortable.
 

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Everything gets uncomfortable after given time.
Mostly because they start to think I am egoistic
And if you try to avoid it by going on with boring things then it feels like controlling the other person which is so draining.
 

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Taking an archaeological lens to it would be helpful. Study anatomy and physiology of females and understand how they have different chemical and structural proclivities. This honestly is what has determined women's position in society, even then it will make you ask why they aren't excelling in some aspects, such as them being able to multitask better on average. Whatever the case, they are human beings and the societal gender norms are slowly being dismantled in the West, but the main difference will remain the same, physiology. Understand how they compensate for this. For example physical vulnerability would lead them to be more socially adept.

There is a lot of game theory that can be applied here, and that is honestly the way you should see it, as every one is playing it even if they don't realize it or aren't being rational. Maybe starting with what exactly you want to "figure out" about women would allow more helpful discussion.
 

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I want to know all the differences in cognition among males and females.
and why every girl I encounter misunderstands me as egoistic and why I am always the one to keep everything in check, I want to help but I get taken for granted.... is there any solution
 

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I want to know all the differences in cognition among males and females.
and why every girl I encounter misunderstands me as egoistic and why I am always the one to keep everything in check, I want to help but I get taken for granted.... is there any solution
Not gonna happen, I'm not credulous enough to even dare writing like I know what I'm talking about. I just gave an axiom that could be the basis for rationally thinking about it, answering your question about how to remove culture from the equation. My only advice is that you should try focusing on just 1 thing at a time, and once you've mastered that move on to another thing. The biggest challenge is learning what to ignore.
 

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Have you ever figured out someone that wasn't yourself? Or, have you ever figured out someone you're attracted to? Affection is predominantly based on being physically attracted to the person. Perhaps the reason you don't understand is because the relationship with someone you're attracted to is one of the few activities that isn't predicated on knowledge. The physical world consists of space which is easy to understand from a logicistic-causal relationship. People are inconsistent agents within this physical world and they're not bound by logic. This applies to men and women. I'm sure women say they don't understand man so the obvious derivative is intimacy in experience, knowledge (Figuring out) is a pre-supposition that events will occur in some kind of order.

There is no logical derivative when you experience a situations that's filled with emotions. They're different frames of mind.
 

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There is no logical derivative when you experience a situations that's filled with emotions
But there are cases and expectations behind emotions and there would be a reason for that.

Why is the society objectifying women and why are males the subjects
What is the need for makeup
What is makeup
Dont tell me its art
 

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I would posit that figuring out women is no more difficult than figuring out men. What is difficult is figuring out the correct way to proceed in the sphere of the romantic and the relation sexuelle.

we exist in chasm of history right now – women mostly act according to their natural instincts, whereas men have lost both the ability to act naturally and the cultural guidelines for how to behave around women. Hence the various groups of men (incels, mgtow, etc) who simply give up on the whole thing.
 

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If everyone you meet ends up thinking you are an egoist....well, I think you've found your problem.

Look, can we not have this conversation again? Let's be done with this. Just fucking once. Let's stop petting the fragile ego. Instead, use the site search function. Find all the threads where a male hormonal youth flails around bemoaning their inability with women, "I am an INTP robot what are even emotions women are dumb and think I'm egoist but I am totally not a self serving piece of shit it is teh womens". Then, maybe choose to not add to the pile, hmmmm?

Edit: And why the FUCK is this in literature?
 

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Edit: And why the FUCK is this in literature?
Didn't you see? I recommended fiction to him, retroactively justifying its placement here...

Yeah idk, ik this is mostly garbage because lol, it is, but smart people are seen as arrogant (avoiding the mentioning of the two letter concept,) so i was giving em the benifit of the doubt. "If they are so smart why can't they figure out how to fucking communicate like anyone else!?" I guess I'm not smart enough to know that except for the fact that trial and error deeply scares him.

I don't think this is the way to make his "ego" less fragile or less of an asshole. You're entitled to preach, I just personally value people's potential to be good (naively?) and wouldn't anyone talking to me like that if I was archetypically possessed by ideas that downtrodden people latch on to.
 

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women mostly act according to their natural instincts, whereas men have lost both the ability to act naturally and the cultural guidelines for how to behave around women
I think the problem is more complicated than that.
 

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If they are so smart why can't they figure out how to fucking communicate like anyone else!?
I don't want to communicate like other I want myself to be spontaneous
And nothing scares me, I am just curious about what's actually happening regardless of what it looks
 

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What was your mother like. The mother is the first to be imprinted on when developing the child's psyche. From which the child compares females too.
 

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If they are so smart why can't they figure out how to fucking communicate like anyone else!?
I don't want to communicate like other I want myself to be spontaneous
And nothing scares me, I am just curious about what's actually happening regardless of what it looks
You want to be perceived as spontaneous or you want to be spontaneous? The ladder does not make sense like you are trying to make yourself unpredictable to yourself. They make medicine for that. I'm assuming you're asking this because you're curious on how to get laid.

Let me make it simple for you. Life hard. Woman baby maker, woman different, strong man stronger than woman, protect, make life easier. Smart man think for woman, make life easier. Strong man+smart man = fuck fiesta. Society change much. Strong man no longer necessity, old habits die hard doe. Smart woman provide for self now. Life still can be easier. Smart man look at woman, sees what woman missing in hard world, even if little, smart man provide, boom make life easier, BOOM fuck fiesta. Courting missing from equation, very important ritual, lost to our generation.
 

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we exist in chasm of history right now – women mostly act according to their natural instincts, whereas men have lost both the ability to act naturally and the cultural guidelines for how to behave around women. Hence the various groups of men (incels, mgtow, etc) who simply give up on the whole thing.
no need to overcomplicate shit, this is all you need to know.
carve your own path fren, be a chad incel with me.

Holy shit, at this point an entire forum section could be dedicated to understanding women.
<.< I feel mine was a bit more justified
fk u elen, fite me
 

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I am fearfull
my mom is indifferent
my sister is anxious
my brother is demanding

I'm sad my mom does not show me love and I am afraid to ask it of others. I am going to be one of those people who cry the first time they have sex. I am making sure it is a positive experience. I am relying heavily on my Intuition to recognize she is for me or not.
 

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I'm assuming you're asking this because you're curious on how to get laid.
before that i only wanted to play.
now the society tell me to get laid
i am not interested in sex i am sick of wasting my mental resources in that direction
 

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there is something humanity never got to see
I mean there is no way a intelligent being can justify makeup and objectiveness which most of them choose.
Its like been thrown to a place where women are competing for the best quality attention, at times it looks like we dont have a choice.
Most of the world is being controlled by women and yet its all about there problems
i dont know if you guys can see it but we never had a choice

a child is always being raised by a women making the whole society being raised by women's
if you dig deep you can see your fighting with your matte just boils down to to conflicting feminine ideas.
we can leave this discussion if you guys dont feel like this is the direction we should go
 

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when i was growing up i did not see my mom or dad for 7 years 6 - 13
How do you feel towards them? Are you in touch with them?

I can see how attention can be important to a child. I am all messed up inside frankly.
 

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we exist in chasm of history right now – women mostly act according to their natural instincts, whereas men have lost both the ability to act naturally and the cultural guidelines for how to behave around women. Hence the various groups of men (incels, mgtow, etc) who simply give up on the whole thing.
no need to overcomplicate shit, this is all you need to know.
carve your own path fren, be a chad incel with me.

Holy shit, at this point an entire forum section could be dedicated to understanding women.
<.< I feel mine was a bit more justified
fk u elen, fite me
There are way too many posts talking about genders, particularly women on this forum. I think it's pretty weird how it's a main topic of discussion. I think yours was justified, you went through a revelation but other people talking about genders in such a one-dimensional way remind me of preachers that use bible verses to guide their entire real-life interactions.

Y'know what I'm just gonna say it: I think it's fucked up the way we try and simplify and understand genders on this forum. I don't think anyone reaches a new understanding they just affirm their biases which often times are so detatched from reality that any rational person would genuinely have problems understanding how they think.

The chances are that if you were infact interested in someone of the opposite gender you'd be attracted more to their mind than you would their physical appearance. Obviously physical appeareance plays a role but I think it's small: I mean I don't think it's particularly hard to be attractive or pick up habits that improve your physical appearance. Improve your confidence: Exercise, increase testosterone, stop watching porn so you can produce more testosterone and have a crazier "desire" for people that isn't sexually frustrating (After a while, it becomes a very pleasing sensation). Moisturise, use skin-care products, brush your teeth, so on so forth. If you're genuinely attracted to someone for the mind, the likelihood that they don't fit into a generalized format is pretty high. I've never went for simple, traditional girls because after a week I'd probably know their whole life story. I go for people that are pretty wild, and to some degree you all do too: why else would you leave your personal sanctuary if it wasn't for someone that had a unique quality? I don't imagine we'd go for random hook-ups every 3 days because we have nothing to do other than think about sex.


Generalizations will not help you have a gf, you need to actively understand who they are and what their beliefs are. So creating generalizations to approach people of the opposite sex to which you're attracted to, with your attraction being specific to the person's ability to stand-out from the crowd is a sure-fire way to failure.

I make some cultural generalizations about females, but I don't apply that to romantic relationships. The people I'm interested in need to be pretty open and that includes not genderizing everything.
 

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Note: i do realise @xersevx that you're new to the forum and probably need to understand whatever inhibits you from social progression, it's just been a pretty common topic as of late. You are permitted to throw a proposition and see what others think, particularly with your social isolation you mentioned before.
 

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Yeah idk, ik this is mostly garbage because lol, it is, but smart people are seen as arrogant (avoiding the mentioning of the two letter concept,) so i was giving em the benifit of the doubt. "If they are so smart why can't they figure out how to fucking communicate like anyone else!?"
Right. Yeah, this is something I imagine anybody with a suitably large enough vocabulary runs into.

Although, unless the other person is a total asshole, I take learning how to converse with someone on their own level as an interesting challenge. I have always been an outlier like most here on INTPf. I have found it helpful to learn how to maintain conversations about the banal out of self preservation and boredom. Questions about how to survive THAT I understand.

But why must we keep rehashing the gender differences as if a person's vagina turns them into an incomprehensible alien?

fk u elen, fite me
No, don't fk me. That's the point. :hoplite_sword:

What was your mother like. The mother is the first to be imprinted on when developing the child's psyche. From which the child compares females too.
Trust you to turn the conversation to something new and unexpected.

My mother was high functioning Autistic before they really had a term for that, grew up in a deeply religious and harsh family, and had learning disabilities like dyslexia. She finally ran away from home to get away from that garbage. She is also one of the most calmly functional, rational, and grounded people I know.

We get along well enough. Everything she has done has been out of love for me but she struggles to actually express her love in any sort of verbal or physical way. She doesn't say "I love you". She doesn't hug unless forced to.

I learned how to express love and tenderness from my dad. And he is a big bear of a man who can fix anything mechanical, taught himself programing in the 90s, pushes people's buttons for fun (ENTP) and will fite u to the death if you get in his way. ‍♀

and what if half of the forum is jibberish
If that is what you think then why are you here? You plan on communicating in an environment you think is filled with gibberish?

not a good use of time and how will i get to know people if i dont converse with them
You just conversed with a woman. Congratulations. And you responded by calling her forum a place with gibberish threads (you're not wrong) you have no intent to read even as you also ask the same gibberish question that has been asked so many time before here. You can't want our help while also insulting our home. I mean, I guess you can, but you aren't going to receive the most constructive response.

There. Communication.

My point is women are just women. Read the forum, learn whatever might be learned there (that this is something lots of INTPs struggle with), and then take time to analyze yourself instead of foisting the struggles you have with communication onto the other party.
 

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some gibberish right there, i doubt you even understand anything.
i said half of the forum as its a open forum and very old too
But why must we keep rehashing the gender differences as if a person's vagina turns them into an incomprehensible alien?
No one said anything about the vagina.
Vagina is something that a women has, its a part of women we are talking about the whole thing like two separate sex that we are
unless that is what you think this is about that every talk about gender is about vagina
then this is exactly why ( because what people like you interpret it ) i am interested in knowing about the other gender
You have to have the whole truth otherwise whats the point
{vagina vagina vagina its gross man thats the excretion part too cant we have a better discussion then this and as you said here we break down everything into its parts }
 

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The chances are that if you were infact interested in someone of the opposite gender you'd be attracted more to their mind than you would their physical appearance. Obviously physical appeareance plays a role but I think it's small: I mean I don't think it's particularly hard to be attractive or pick up habits that improve your physical appearance. Improve your confidence: Exercise, increase testosterone, stop watching porn so you can produce more testosterone and have a crazier "desire" for people that isn't sexually frustrating (After a while, it becomes a very pleasing sensation). Moisturise, use skin-care products, brush your teeth, so on so forth. If you're genuinely attracted to someone for the mind, the likelihood that they don't fit into a generalized format is pretty high. I've never went for simple, traditional girls because after a week I'd probably know their whole life story. I go for people that are pretty wild, and to some degree you all do too: why else would you leave your personal sanctuary if it wasn't for someone that had a unique quality? I don't imagine we'd go for random hook-ups every 3 days because we have nothing to do other than think about sex.
Is this a become more attractive steps
Ill make it clear, i am able to have sex meet girls if and whenever i want, I am already getting bored with it,
this is something stupid and very easy with a sequence of moves.
i dont like doing extra homework for this there is nothing in that direction only ejaculation of mucus and some fluid exchange
if there is something more then let me know.
but i see there are notable differences in the psyches of both genders, which might be stimulating to talk about and that is something which always takes a toll on me
 

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but other people talking about genders in such a one-dimensional way remind me of preachers that use bible verses to guide their entire real-life interactions.
Well put.
No, don't fk me. That's the point.
*is freaked out*


I think once you understand yourself emotionally (seems you dont) then women make more sense, also just read psychology articles on relationship problems, make sure you dont have those characteristics etc. be proactive

Now that I understand women, I see them the same way I see men. I can understand them, but not empathize, because I dont relate to normal people...

(that this is something lots of INTPs struggle with)
I am an INTJ, i dont struggle i get disappointed but you can call it my struggle
fucking rookie, I can do both at the same time.
 

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Haha. I am amused at how often this topic pops up.

In my dealings with women, they’re actually not much different than men.

If you want some super generalized insights, they’d be almost useless for how generalized they are. Different people are different. You’ll have a lot more success in your interactions if you get to know them.

Like most things in life, you’ll only get better by doing. If you’re having trouble understanding women, interact with them more. If you consistently drive them away by appearing to be an egoist... then, uh, don’t do that?

If you want my candid assessment, you do seem to be a bit to self-focussed. Typical introvert problem, not a huge issue. Try not starting sentences with “I” constantly, in your mind, in your speech, and in your text. When talking to others seek clarity in their thoughts by starting sentences with “you” or “your”.
 

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Is it not that about half of human population if not more are women>? Means you got 3 500 000 000 of females to pick from.
what do you think are there any differences that are hardwired into a women's mind then a man's mind.
should i just go with life experience to reveal what must be revealed if there anything thing to be revealed.
 

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Is it not that about half of human population if not more are women>? Means you got 3 500 000 000 of females to pick from.
what do you think are there any differences that are hardwired into a women's mind then a man's mind.
should i just go with life experience to reveal what must be revealed if there anything thing to be revealed.
First of all you are just overthinking. Most of female and male behavior is hardwired.
So you really cannot do anything about it. When you like a female it is hardwired for you. When she likes or does not like it is hardwired.
This overthinking people do is consequence of low confidence. Low confidence is result of lack of experience. Its a lame attempt at control. Notice how the most worst relationships are generated from attempts to control.
Instead of trying to control for outcome just play like a gambler.
Toss in your coins and wait until you get what you need.
Finding partner is the easy part, but actually making it work is hard. Most people are not that great of a fit. Especially if you are not average Joe you will have to be a little more specific in what female is good fit.
Its not best advice, but just imagine the type of female you want. Like imagine a type of person you would be willing to spend time with.
 

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Like imagine a type of person you would be willing to spend time with.
do You mean to hope and leave it to chance because they are agents with there own rules which are hardwired.
will you see them as part of the environment or separate agents?
 

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Like imagine a type of person you would be willing to spend time with.
do You mean to hope and leave it to chance because they are agents with there own rules which are hardwired.
will you see them as part of the environment or separate agents?
You are not looking for a clone. The female has a goal, perhaps different from you. But you should have some common goals as well. Some common ideals and maybe similar frame of reference. Not necessarily identical, but similar enough that you can cooperate.
 

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Quick question: why is this in the Literature section?
 

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Does any one else have hard time figuring out women especially infj ?
nah bro, especially not infj.
what helps:
imagine they're a man, particularly during romantic situations. just think of a man. can't go wrong... I promise. lol
 
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