Hypnosis

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I'm a big fan, And have been reading up. I'm guessing many of you will be reading this page at about 1 in the morning, right?




Be prepared for psycho-mancy.

 

[Kuu]

More like, 5 in the morning...

I've always wanted to hypnotize someone. I cannot say that my intentions are honorable.

Which is the best word: henchmen, minions, or lackeys?

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Depend on how violent you're looking to go. Need to kill someone? Henchmen. Need to feel powerful and occasionally beat up a person? Minions. They're also good lurkers. Lackeys are more like low-rating side-kicks.

 

[Melkor]

There is no hypnosis topic.
There never was.
There is no Cabbo.
You are not INTP, you are Dead.
You are now going to leave this forum.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

More like...





As you read this post, and notice your eyes becoming increasingly heavy as you sit comfortably in front of your computer, you begin to forget just what it is we are discussing as your eyes become heavier and you relax more and more in your chair. The calm feeling you have now washes over you and heals you, telling you to relax and be calm as you let this topic slip from your mind and let all your memory of the poster fade away as you become more and more comfortable and your eyes slowly close down untill you become completely relaxed.

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And now your eyes start to feel lighter and lighter as you read this and sit in your chair, and become more and more awake with each word, untill you are completely awake and refreshed. As you become more and more awake, you realise that you are not tired anymore at all, and all susceptibility and suggestibility is gone from you. You are awake.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Of course, that's no-where near as effective as a face-to-face meeting. So watch your backs.

 

[loveofreason]

If you could hypnotise me to convince me I was never tired, I might just be grateful.

Given your sense of humour though...

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Ever thought of having a go at 'past-life' regressions?

 

[Mischz]

Hypnosis can only occur if the subject wants/allows it.

I do it to myself when I am desperate to relax. Not sure if its really 'hypnosis' since I still retain part of my conscious mind to execute the process... but I did end up feeling better!

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Hypnosis only works if the subject believes it will, there's a difference. Although too much belief usually takes things way out of hand, and people do very stupid things.


When someone convinces you to do something without knowing what it means first, that's a form of hypnosis (a loose one, but still...)

Hypnosis does not require a 'special state', however when this state is reached the suggestibility of a subject skyrockets. The subject can then be made to do anything that it can physically and mentally handle.


You are all my subjects.





Bow to me!

 

[Aphasia]

*fiddles with a tie for a while* Here.

I wonder if advertisements can be considered to be a form of hypnosis? (Random thought)

So far, the only things that I can hypnotize are myself and my reflection. Apparently, everyone else is too thick-headed to receive my mental waves (it's the other way round). I've had some success in getting my young cousin to stop running around with hypnosis, though. (No, he was staring at the watch you were stupidly waving about at his face)

 

[Perseus]

They say that honest people look into the eyes of another, but the trickster may be trying to hypnotise you. This happens in the community as well. You can be hypnotised against your will. A suggestion can even be implanted in your brain/consciousness or whatever. This is unlikely to work on NTs though, the INTJ is most resistant. With the INTP, the INTJ hypnotist may even think his implant has succeeded. The INTP may filter or block the suggestion without even realising he is doing it, whereas the INTJ will recognise the implant and consciously block it.

Down by the Whirlpool

 

[Aphasia]

Interesting. I don't know whether you're correct or not, but I'll notice if people are trying to change how I think almost instantly, and I don't like it. Something like: you better be good if you want to make me think like you. How do you hypnotize someone effectively anyway? (I've got an impermeable head)

What's with the whirlpool thing?

 

[Perseus]

I do not know how to do the hypnotist thing, but they tried it on me. INTPs, INTJs will do their own research on hypnotism. The difficulty is defining what hynotism is.

Whirlpool is the effect you sometimes get with an incompatible hypnotist, persuader, suggestion agent, or whatever. This may only be INFPs detecting this though. The whirlpool stressor may be a narcissist.

They may be trying to bring you down. Trouble occurs with this between Dragons (INFP) and Unicorns (ESFJ variant). I think that is one of the archetypal wars of inner space. It can transfer into real life drama with murder, attacks etc.

I am going to stop posting on all threads now. The sun is out, the workmen have arrived, and I have two small contracts I keep on putting off through boredom.

Andy
http://soredragon.blogspot.com/2008/06/modern-animism-world.html

 

[loveofreason]

Whirlpool is the effect you sometimes get with an incompatible hypnotist, persuader, suggestion agent, or whatever. This may only be INFPs detecting this though. The whirlpool stressor may be a narcissist.

They may be trying to bring you down. Trouble occurs with this between Dragons (INFP) and Unicorns (ESFJ variant). I think that is one of the archetypal wars of inner space. It can transfer into real life drama with murder, attacks etc.

You have just described what has been a confounding mystery for me.

Twice in my life I have experienced the whirlpool. The sensation is so real. It is like being in the centre of a spinning gyre - everything spins around you and you feel the physical forces as though they where 'real'.

In both cases the would be 'persuaders' were self-proclaimed born again 'christians', attempting to collect flock members for their 'churches'. One was attempting to perform the baptism of the holy spirit, the other was intent on exorcising me.

Yes, I really am a failed exorcism.

But that's by the by really -
I use myself as guinea pig if I really want to understand something, and what I came to understand was that self promoting religious leaders are a type of vampire that feed off the faith others put in them. And that I can trust my perceptions over and above oily words. It's all about power and control.

What I hadn't fully understood was the whirlpool experience, though I supposed it must be due to some part of my mind seeking to defend itself from suggestion, I just didn't really know.

Heck, either that or my demons really didn't want to be evicted.

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Makes you think though, about the mass hynosis of society. We're all acting out the storylines fed us at the nipple of our culture. Probably why so many of us are seen from the outside as the "walking dead". Not fully conscious.

 

[Aphasia]

Ah, I see. I've felt something similar once, but not to a high degree when someone tried to convert me to become a Jehovah's Witness. I was caught off guard, which may have been a reason.

Other attempts at changing me were responded with prickly behavior and/ or going along with the person right up to a certain point, where I use my spiky wit on him/ her (anyone disturbing my sovereign territory will be dealt with). So, no, don't hypnotize me.

 

[Jordan~]

JWs use hypnotism? I usually argue with them at the door until they go away, but I don't think I've ever been hypnotised by one.

 

[Dissident]

Twice in my life I have experienced the whirlpool. The sensation is so real. It is like being in the centre of a spinning gyre - everything spins around you and you feel the physical forces as though they where 'real'.

In both cases the would be 'persuaders' were self-proclaimed born again 'christians', attempting to collect flock members for their 'churches' One was attempting to perform the baptism of the holy spirit, the other was intent on exorcising me.

Yes, I really am a failed exorcism.

That - is - friggin' - awesome

Do you think the effect comes from them, or is it just your reaction to the situation? I can hardly imagine how would it be for someone really into it and willing to feel what they want them to feel, how do you get out of that?

 

[Aphasia]

JWs use hypnotism? I usually argue with them at the door until they go away, but I don't think I've ever been hypnotised by one.

Actually, my post was off topic. :P Ignore it if you want.

 

[loveofreason]

That - is - friggin' - awesome

Do you think the effect comes from them, or is it just your reaction to the situation? I can hardly imagine how would it be for someone really into it and willing to feel what they want them to feel, how do you get out of that?

I think it's a reaction. It would be truly astounding to know how it really works - how does the mind create physical sensation?

When the persuader gets a compatible subject it seems that a huge amount of energy and power flows to them. It must feel good for both parties - I see the theatre; the human drama, in the situation. The 'actors' are both getting a kick out of it.

I also observed the 'faithful' of each flock closely. When someone has given their mind to a master they wear a stamp. There is a sameness all about them because a little bit of each of them is The Master. He is present in them all. Like the same wine regardless of the vessel. Uniformity. They don't want to escape. It must feel good!

The paradox is, in giving away their power, the subject reports a profound sense of liberation and well-being. They have found The Truth. They are Chosen. They will defend their Master because he has relieved them of their cares, given them enlightenment and made them Special. It's a kind of 'spell'.

The same predator/prey dynamics work in other spheres of life (eg. d/s sexual relationships). It creates an extreme surge of neurological excitement for both parties. Very very hard to walk away from.

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Interesting to hear that a brush with Jehovah's Witnesses provoked a whirlpool response. I was exposed to their brain-washing from a very young age, but it never quite 'washed' with me. I was alert even then to the 'zombie' quality of slaves. In fact, the urge to liberate slaves is one of my life's great motifs.

Do you suppose Cabbo is trying to raise a zombie army to take over the world? Cabbo, Lord of zombies, we shall seek you out and defeat you!

 

[Jordan~]

I got the whole whirlpool thing once. I spun around too fast and fell over when I was like six.

 

[Dissident]

I also observed the 'faithful' of each flock closely. When someone has given their mind to a master they wear a stamp. There is a sameness all about them because a little bit of each of them is The Master. He is present in them all. Like the same wine regardless of the vessel. Uniformity. They don't want to escape. It must feel good!

The paradox is, in giving away their power, the subject reports a profound sense of liberation and well-being. They have found The Truth. They are Chosen. They will defend their Master because he has relieved them of their cares, given them enlightenment and made them Special. It's a kind of 'spell'.

Thats very interesting. Ive been in many churches, Ive seen people falling to the ground while praying, speaking in tonges, pass out when a pastor touched them, etc. but I never felt anything. I think its a mix of many things, most of them were people who had many problems in their lives, and came into a state of surrender, complete hopelessness, in that state a way out appeared and they held onto it with all their hearts. From that day on, they live with a borrowed strenght, with a broken ego, thus, they become very susceptible to suggestion. I know this is not the case of all believers, but generally of the ones that are most affected by it and are the protagonists of such weird events.