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[Synthesis]

My grasp on Jungian theory is nonexistant at best, so I ask you all to yield judgement according to the following:

-Requires time to understand new material in-depth; my best ideas and insights have taken time to produce
-Synthesis* does not operate well - if at all - without a plan in mind. Spontaneiety = 0%
-I've found I rip someone's character and morals apart when angry enough (I am very rarely angry enough to do this, though. I tend to be more disapointed and saddened)
-Empathetic; willing to help anyone overcome problems and/or give advice
i) I've noted a tendency to 'guide' people seeking aid via laying questions before them that - to my mind - enables them to grow and realize new insights. I also tend to explain why things are right/wrong than (in)correct.
-Preferred humanities, writing, and English courses over anything else.
i) I'm a horrid math student because I have to understand *how* it works before I can formulate things on my own; plugging numbers is incredibly boring without understanding what I'm doing
-Synthesis will think of something, reach an infinitesimal gap between current understanding and insight (think of a bubble made of flexible, amorphous paper) and be unable to proceed. Later, a 'eureka!' moment will occur. Happens with some frequency.
-tries to bring out the best in others while promoting growth and happiness (quietly)
-hates taking notes, prefers creating a holistic model of events
-verbal deficiency when trying to convey thoughts that haven't been processed
-Synthesis has experience with foresight (ESP) concerning other people
-tends to be passive until character is provoked
-enjoys solitary walks at night, preferably with haunting classical/instrumentals
-loses his sense of Self frequently during the day; unaware of surroundings
-Tendency for faux pas
-prefers open-ended material insofar as classwork
-Resonates highly with this.
-Currently undergoing existential depression
-gets easily frustrated with injustice in general, as well as what I deem to be character faults (working on overcoming the latter)
-Synthesis does not engage in unfamiliar activities often for fear of what may go wrong

I don't know if this is enough information to provide an accurate reading, but I'll be happy to provide more if needful. I am undecided between INFJ and ENFJ; thank you ahead of time for any commentary rendered. I will be going to bed shortly, any responses will be read sometime tomorrow.

*I am rather young (17 years).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Why can't you be INTP? Also by description you aren't ENFJ.

I related well to the parts about understanding the how of things. I am currently having the same problem in my college PreCalc class.

 

[LPolaright]

I have a theory that I'm working on, that by the way progresses great even though I'm currently preoccupied with other things... that could explain some of the things you feel and are basically environment based rather then personality preference.

But regardless - Here is a deduction of you:

You use high abstractic language, you try giving metaphors to things and like to conceptualize, you are unaware of the surroundings which will mean you have a dominant Ne somewhere in your MBTI functions. You would probably like finding "invisible" patterns and connect things into a higher level of a bigger machine.

You like pursuing your own knowledge and not to base yourself on the common traits of society (logically) but you also like to pursue your feelings, although they are based more of commonality rather then overdeveloping, you know how others feel around you and you want to affect them and/or manipulate them for the best. Thus I conclude you as a Ti-Fe or Fe-Ti. Probably Fe-Ti because you are basing your decision more on feelings, but when you are pushed enough to the extreme your Ti rises and you don't care for anything but the logic you pursued.

Back to cognitive functions: it's quite difficult for me because I can see a lot of traits of Ni and Ne in you, you probably like looking at one thing from different perspectives and base your experience on the understanding of it, but it doesn't correlate with the fact that if you have Ni you necessarily have Se too in your MBTI functions - which would mean you would be distracted somewhat by the outside world and thus I conclude you as my previous judgement - Ne - Si.

You are an introvert - by many hints you gave - you like long walks and is probably passive because you are trying to fit into a context of other conversation rather then making it - and thus it seems like an accomplishment you don't want to withdraw once you are in an argument.

The real question here is if you are a judger or a perceiver - although "Spontaneiety = 0%" seems to point towards a judger it is possibly because you are too busy conveying possibilities about the future and you being an introvert and thus:
(Also hollistic learning is usually a perceiving traith)

IxxP
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Ti-Ne | Si-Fe
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INTP

If you are not an introvert it would fit better but still it doesn't fit you like a glove:

ENTP
Ne-Ti|Fe-Si

More information that you could give us: How do you feel about cleaning your surrounding? Your health? Your mental health? Do you treat feelings as sensations that logically rise by an event that occurs? If so, do you usually use your memory of experience to uprise your feelings? Do you usually base your decisions on feelings? Are you concerned with your well-being? Are you a hypochondriac?

or you could be

IxxJ
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Ni-Fe|Ti-Se
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INFJ

ENFJ wouldn't fit you because it would mean you would get distracted rather easily and be more aggressive rather then passive - INFJ also doesn't fit you quite well.


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I agree with EyeSeeCold - INTP fits you better on the limited information you gave us.
I think your depth of knowledge precedes your feelings towards others - thus you don't like injustice much. Your Ne is strong, your Se is probably the weakest of all traits - I have no information about your Si, but Ni seems to be existent in you.

Btw, since you don't have much knowledge in the subject I'd rather you wouldn't look too much at the letter combinations (Ne-Ni-Se-Si-Te-Ti-Fe-Fi), they are irrelevant for your understanding but they are relevant to mine.

 

[Moocow]

It sounds like you're assuming INTP think a certain way that we really don't, because I relate to everything you put on that list.

 

[Synthesis]

Lpolaright:

My habitat is ordered once chaos reaches a certain degree, then it relapses into chaos again. I typically organize things so I know where things are and can get to them if needful. My physical health is more or less well; I tend to sweat small stuff (cuts/bruises/aches, etc.) and disregard the bigger things (broken bones, disorders, etc.) to take care of themselves. My mental health is currently questionable, I can feel my thoughts bending in directions I think are abnormal but am seeing a counselor for this and other things. Anything can be rationalized, I treat feelings as both reacton to stimuli and a wellspring of potential action that is best harnessed using logic. I may have misinterpreted your next query (if so, please correct me) but: when I do feel emotions, I try to find out why I'm feeling it, poking and prodding it until I understand it. Concerning my well-being, I don't see death/misfortune as something to fear, but to learn from. Ethically, I like to think my life has some value (placed by me, naturally) and do what I can to preserve myself - although I would lay it down if I deemed something else of greater importance. My hygienic habits are fastidious (minus flossing), I am almost always clean. No, I'm not a hypochondriac.

Moocow:
Yes and no - I have noted that I lack the logical precision and general playfulness of INTPs, as well as the brilliant mental constructs I've seen here. Ashamedly, I see myself as an assimilation of other ideas I never quite thought about. Unoriginal, if you will. Does wonders to the self-esteem.

 

[Moocow]

Moocow:
Yes and no - I have noted that I lack the logical precision and general playfulness of INTPs, as well as the brilliant mental constructs I've seen here. Ashamedly, I see myself as an assimilation of other ideas I never quite thought about. Unoriginal, if you will. Does wonders to the self-esteem.

Yes, that's symptomatic of depression in INTPs. I have lost my sense of humor for long periods of time several times in the past, as well as my ability to think clearly and willingness to create. The fact that you are critical of unoriginality also reflects an INTP attitude.
Self doubt, depression, cynicism, etc. can all warp anyone's view of themselves drastically.

Regardless of what type you are, I would recommend vipassana meditation if you want to improve your mental clarity as well as pretty much every other aspect of your internal life. Before I discovered it, I appeared to be more like an INFP or INFJ to myself, constantly struggling with emotions, and for the most part just trying to fit in with society.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I think you are over-rating INTPs.

Hmm, can you rank these?:

Conscience, Dreams, Fate, Wisdom, Truth, Order

I don't plan to go in depth, I am just curious.

 

[Synthesis]

Most to least importance:

Conscience (awareness is vital, without it there can be nothing else)
Truth
Wisdom (this is applied Truth, to me)
Dreams (can introspect from them, therefore useful)
Order (intrinsically flawed/imperfect)
Fate (I do not think it exists)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Not that kind of conscience, I meant in terms of "doing the right thing".

 

[Synthesis]

Moocow:

I will download the pdf later, thank you very much for the link I will consider as well what you have said (naturally).

Side note to EyeSeeCold:

I place a high value on individuality; to my mind, this trait demands a certain level of intelligence (whatever that may be) so the INTP is a good representation of where my respects lie.
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What is 'right'? I try my best to act according to my ethics and personal morality. From time to time, the model needs re-examining and behaviour changes accordingly. Place it beneath Wisdom.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

INTJ?

 

[Synthesis]

That's what the tests, such as they are, have told me. I lurk on INTJf as well and do not relate overmuch to them either. Too much confidence and unyielding, to my mind.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Weird. Well I got the vibes of INTP from your description of yourself. But eh, you're fine here right?

 

[Synthesis]

Indeed I am The playfulness and randomness of the locals is enjoyable, making me chuckle at times. Thank you for contributing your analysis and time, this topic has been on my mind of late.

 

[Moocow]

One more thing to point out: your writing style reflects the intellectual caution and precision of an INTP.

I'm glad you like it here. This is probably the only really civilized forum I've seen in a long time.

 

[Synthesis]

Moo:

Would you expand on that point please? I cannot really discern different writing styles and would like to understand what you're trying to say.

I must agree, this place is quite mature - if given to bouts of internal randomness at times (fun for all, all for fun).

 

[Moocow]

Moo:

Would you expand on that point please? I cannot really discern different writing styles and would like to understand what you're trying to say.

I must agree, this place is quite mature - if given to bouts of internal randomness at times (fun for all, all for fun).

If you look at a forum like personalitycafe you might notice that most other types don't really care much about their spelling and grammar down to the little things like the difference between they're, their, there, etc. A lot of INTPs value correctness in language, as is evident with this forum. I don't know how to explain it better, but we seem to do either one of two things: type out rather neat and orderly sentences to convey a message clearly with minimal wording, or type out very long posts full of clarification and detail.
Also many INTPs tend to use sentence structures that I just don't notice from other types. I'm not an expert in grammar so it'll be difficult to explain exactly how, but you might notice it yourself over time.

 

[Synthesis]

Oh, that's what you meant. I've noticed the same from intuitives in general, although the precision and detail varies. I tend to do the long and drawn out thing when writing/typing, usually in the form of an epic/extended moral lesson/proving a complex point. Below is an example of this, although not as complex as other things (I've yet to polish it up, wrote it today during my biology class).

Spoiler

*Enlightenment, for my purposes here, is the processing and accumulation of intra-connection.*

The normal man, your Average Joe/Jane, is the epitome of unenlightened behavior. there is nothing different, no special factors that set them apart. There is no desire to expand the Self, only contentedness with the current stagnant perception, the man is very limited, moreso than words permit. Such a man cannot find true happiness because everything is two-dimensional, no concept of depth or the fourth - time. The route to happiness, while varied, must include a form of uniquely similar insight; one must perpetually discard everything old and traditional, anything old bent and worn, to gain anything of benefit. Only when everything is placed in nothing can growth be gained. Therefore, one becomes simultaneously half-empty and half-full vessel awaiting the sweet wine of truth. By becoming less themSelf and more Other-things, individualism is aquired - the realization of Place is only evident after one has travelled far and wide. Furthermore, casting aside the shackles of Ego allows the third dimension to grow by opneing the mind to new possibilities and perceptions, typically with the mindest that one is a single stone among many, yet without the single there can be no many. Thus, the old becomes new and clarity of thought is realized; however, 'now' becomes 'then' instantaneously, everything gained is lost and the cup returns to only half-full, half-empty.

The trees in a serence forest become something more, yet not; the mortal eye was unveiled - if only for a moment - to see the luminous shroud of sunlight embracing the golen boughs, the gift of Life made visible. This wonderous sight is lost after only a heartbeat as the mind's eye closes again; to retain the awesome perception of depth one must look again, for a little while longer. The bark that was once rough and un-refined becomes smoother and more dynamic as one's eyes see deeper, glimpsing the particles of creation comprising the tree's skin. The relapse into similarity is not so harsh this time, one can still remember the radiant sunlight surrounding the entity, thus is time perceived - growth is aquired and depth assumed, the glass of knowledge has gained an ounce. One now knows the tree and sunlight are inseparably one entity: the tree would not be nearly so splendid nor the light so beautiful without the other. Through this medium of all-is-One, the hidden patterns of life's design are shown to the mind's eye with more clarity than before; the tree's image a little sharper and yet nondescript - everything is different but nothing changed. The mortar between the brick's of Truth's temple have strengthened the foundation, granting structure and understanding for those within. The taste of wine has become so much sweeter as the mechanics of its creation are understood (not just known), the forest vibrant with life and leave singing a celestial choir as the strings of their collective Self vibrate ever the faster for insight. . . I'm not done with this yet, rather long-winded, eh?