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Anyone want to immigrate or survive in another country? what advice and help will you give to another INTP?

since immigration requires alot of adjustment and adaptation to another country's culture and society, and overcoming the barrier's of entry to get there.
 

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I think you will find useful advice if you look for country specific migrant forums/websites. Those will usually give some concrete examples or advice.

In the unlikely scenario you want to migrate to central/eastern Europe in which case I'm an expert.
 

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Alright, thanks. But I still want some inputs and attitutes regarding immigration from this forum.
anyone try surviving or moving to another country permanently or even temporarily?
 

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I've lived in 6 different countries at this point. All within Europe so cannot claim to have experienced any massive culture shock, but there are nevertheless quite some difference between countries across the continent.

I think INTPs are good at observing and being sensitive to other people's behavior, so it's pretty easy to adapt. What I've learned is that although cultures differ in various norms, friendliness is pretty much the same thing everywhere. If you're friendly, laid-back and don't annoy people, people treat you well.

@sushi btw – I see you're in Hong Kong. I might be moving there in the future in connection with work. Any thoughts on how people are there compared to Europe?
 

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I loved Hong Kong, why would you ever leave ? Bit of a politically dodgy situation with China though.

Oh I forgot to mention, the only real barrier as far as I'm concerned is speaking the language.
 

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I've lived in 6 different countries at this point. All within Europe so cannot claim to have experienced any massive culture shock, but there are nevertheless quite some difference between countries across the continent.

I think INTPs are good at observing and being sensitive to other people's behavior, so it's pretty easy to adapt. What I've learned is that although cultures differ in various norms, friendliness is pretty much the same thing everywhere. If you're friendly, laid-back and don't annoy people, people treat you well.

@sushi btw – I see you're in Hong Kong. I might be moving there in the future in connection with work. Any thoughts on how people are there compared to Europe?
@higs @Serac its a hellhole. i dont recommend coming. going to singapore is better if you want to enjoy the stay.

If you really want to come, you should pay a few tourist visits first to have an impression.
 

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You'd probably need to have some STEM degree and a call over from a company from the country which you want to go. You can't just waltz into another country and think you'll manage it. Your children might have the chance to 'manage and succeed' but you'll only manage if you go to some place with nothing. My family never immigrated, but we did live the immigrant life- from South Korea to the US. It was pretty tough, my mother had to chip in for the family a lot and our extended family had to help out a few times.

I don't think Singapore is better than Hong Kong, the quality of life might be better but it's at the expense of all the costly things there. It's really expensive there from what I hear. It depends on what your specs are if you really want someone to answer your question- like your age, degree, work experience etc.
 

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going to singapore is better if you want to enjoy the stay.
It's incredibly hard to gain citizenship in Singapore.
 

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@higs @Serac its a hellhole. i dont recommend coming. going to singapore is better if you want to enjoy the stay.

If you really want to come, you should pay a few tourist visits first to have an impression.
hellhole in what way?

I imagine it's sort of like that city in Blade Runner, which looks kinda cool
 

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I have to hand it to people who just up and leave. That takes balls (unless you are in a war torn country and then it's like freedom).
 

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@higs @Serac its a hellhole. i dont recommend coming. going to singapore is better if you want to enjoy the stay.

If you really want to come, you should pay a few tourist visits first to have an impression.
hellhole in what way?

I imagine it's sort of like that city in Blade Runner, which looks kinda cool
overcrowded in a small island, sheep thinking, significant desparity in wealth, poor areas are worst than dirt, rich areas are very luxurious, overpriced stuff, rude idiots. Too many skyscrapers.

but i am a local, so i am baised.

I have to hand it to people who just up and leave. That takes balls (unless you are in a war torn country and then it's like freedom).
I entirely agree. But western people/europe explored and opened up the entire globe to humanity due to adventurous explorers like colombus, and greed for trade routes. Western people are still more adventurous than other nationalities in visit other places. You should inherit that spirit from your ancestors.

surviving in a foreign land is hard.
 

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There is still many barriers of entry in terms of visiting, working and immigrating to other countries, contrary to globalization claims.
 

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I thought it was wonderful and met very nice people there. My best friend at the time was from HK so I went to visit. It's true that it was overcrowded but it added to the charisma of the place, I thought it was amazing being in skyscrapers; I loved the ferry, the lights and the Mong Kok district,, where I saw a woman dressed from head to toe in zebra print and towering heels. I also loved the port with the helmet crabs on display and how cheap the restaurants were. The beach was I think just a bus ride away. On the last night I as there with friends we rented a Kareoke booth and got wasted in it. I suppose I was 16 years old, but it seemed to me to be an incredibly spectacular place.

It did take an extremely long time to get in and out at the airport I have to say.

Isn't Singapore suffering from terrible pollution ? Of course all large cities do to some extent, but more extremely I mean.
 

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I thought it was wonderful and met very nice people there. My best friend at the time was from HK so I went to visit. It's true that it was overcrowded but it added to the charisma of the place, I thought it was amazing being in skyscrapers; I loved the ferry, the lights and the Mong Kok district,, where I saw a woman dressed from head to toe in zebra print and towering heels. I also loved the port with the helmet crabs on display and how cheap the restaurants were. The beach was I think just a bus ride away. On the last night I as there with friends we rented a Kareoke booth and got wasted in it. I suppose I was 16 years old, but it seemed to me to be an incredibly spectacular place.

It did take an extremely long time to get in and out at the airport I have to say.

Isn't Singapore suffering from terrible pollution ? Of course all large cities do to some extent, but more extremely I mean.
Ah, when young and naive to the troubles of the world, am I right?
 

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Sure sure, I think if I returned now I would still find it aesthetically fantastic though.
 

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Sure sure, I think if I returned now I would still find it aesthetically fantastic though.

are we talking about the same city?
 
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