INTP and Narcissism... I have both! Shit!

[Thomas Young]

I did the Briggs test for INTP many times and always get the same response that I'm an INTP, fine I'm cool with that, but I took another test pertaining to personality disorder to see if I have one and I took the test a few times and the same result - My level of Narcissism was very high... so... I'm Narcissistic aswell. Which is cool in its own way heh!! the only thing that gets me is, Narcissists are right bastards. Anyone have any spiel on this?

 

[Thread Killer]

Don't worry, narcissism is far more common than you would imagine. Perhaps you're just honest?

And yes, I do consider myself rather narcissistic.

 

[zxc]

Me too

 

[Agent Intellect]

i'm more narcissistic then all of you!

 

[Decaf]

haha, I'm a million times as humble as thou art

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Hey I'm not narcissistic, I just happen to know I'm better than you

 

[NoID10ts]

I'm just waiting for someone to crucify me. You know.......because I AM (God that is). (Don't worry, blasphemy is a victimless crime)


In reality I am very unnarcissistic. Generally, I fucking hate myself.

Is that unusual for an INTP?

 

[Agent Intellect]

I'm just waiting for someone to crucify me. You know.......because I AM (God that is). (Don't worry, blasphemy is a victimless crime)


In reality I am very unnarcissistic. Generally, I fucking hate myself.

Is that unusual for an INTP?

no

 

[Artifice Orisit]

What's it called when your reason for being a narcissist is that you hate yourself?

Only a lesser being wouldn't judge themself.

 

[Decaf]

Love and hate are brothers. You can not hate someone you disrespect.

 

[Agent Intellect]

i go back and forth between narcissism and self loathing. its literally day and night (i'm an arrogant prick during the day then i become a pitiful, emo cunt after an evening of drinking). is there a name for that, too?

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Bipolar-isum?

 

[Decaf]

I think you'll find a lot of narcissistic people hate themselves sometimes. I think it has a lot to do with the demands you put on yourself. In order to support your confidence in yourself you need to be able to see the results in the outside world. When you don't, you hate yourself for not achieving your potential. Two sides of the same coin.

 

[Kuu]

What's it called when your reason for being a narcissist is that you hate yourself?

Only a lesser being wouldn't judge themself.

Whoever despises himself nonetheless respects himself as one who despises.

Oh yeah, and I am better than all of you.

 

[Devercia]

I dont' think I am narcissistic. I don't lie to myself(atleast for motivation or self-esteem) I don't think I am faultless or holier-than-thou. I am huble, but I do put on a aura of arrogance as a means of makeing fun of myself, or convincing other of my confidence, or when playing devil's advocate.

Also, I think I have taken the test in question. I scored very high in Schizoid, very low narcissism. Overall I wouldn't trust it, but it was accurate, for me atleast.

 

[ElectricWizard]

What's it called when your reason for being a narcissist is that you hate yourself?

Only a lesser being wouldn't judge themself.

Inferiority complex?
Also, I'm not much of a narcissist, nor do I hate myself. I feel strange.
I also took the above mentioned test, and got high schizoid, high schizotypical (the description didn't fit me that well, though)m and Very Low in everything else. So...

 

[Thomas Young]

Good stuff people, I can be an arrogant bastard in peace. *checks reflection in mirror*

 

[Death]

I don't have any narcissism but I have a few moments of superiority complex.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Inferiority complex?
Also, I'm not much of a narcissist, nor do I hate myself. I feel strange.
I also took the above mentioned test, and got high schizoid, high schizotypical (the description didn't fit me that well, though)m and Very Low in everything else. So...

Now it occurs to me that I should have checked the definition of a narcissist.

A narcissist being someone who sustains their own confidence by deluding themself. I assumed that it just described being an overconfident prick; which it sort of does in a roundabout kind of way.
By adding the comment about hating myself I just perfectly described the type of people I hate most. Self hating people who project a persona of blatant overconfidence in order to reassure themselves.

Next time I'll check my definitions better, and just to be clear I'm not narcissistic, self hating, or overconfident for that matter. I'm a bullshitter.

Anyway I wonder if all INTPs are schizoid? In high school I was accused of being gay by a girl because I refused to show interest in her inane small talk.
Thomas Young I'm fairly sure you’re an ENTP. and that your reply will be amusing.

 

[Thread Killer]

I used to score very high as avoidant and shizoid back in the day when I took the disorder test for the very first time.

In any case, I know narcissist is an over-statement, but to be indifferent about others and be lost in one's own world is something at least I relate to even if people think I'm nice, just...aloof.

 

[Thomas Young]

No, no, Im definately INTP, I've taken the test about 5 times now and get the same result. It also matches up with my personality so no, there's no way I'm ENTP. I think your trying to wind me up cogface... Unless your actually serious, your reasons for saying so should be amusing.

 

[fullerene]

In reality I am very unnarcissistic. Generally, I fucking hate myself.

This kind of thing has been on my mind for quite a while, actually, because I found myself thinking about myself a lot and I decided self-hating is no less self-centered than having arrogant self-esteem.

anyway, OP, did you mean narcissism as self-centered/arrogant, or narcissism as in the actual disorder?

[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif]Narcissism is categorized as a personality disorder by the mental health profession. It is referred to as NPD or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Few are ever diagnosed because few go to therapy. Narcissism is not high self-esteem, but a condition where the typical narcissist suffers from [/FONT]

• Preoccupation with hiding real or perceived flaws
• Overestimation of importance, achievements, talents and skills
• Maladaptive attention seeking behavior
• Inability to empathize with others
• Excessive anger and shame in response to criticism often resulting in rage

The narcissist will often manipulate others, especially partners, to control them. Projection and blame are hallmarks of this manipulation. It is estimated that 85% of narcissists are males. This site respects all victims of emotional abuse, both male and female.[SIZE=+2][SIZE=-2][/SIZE][/SIZE]

not exactly the dictionary definition of narcissism... but those things don't exactly gel with INTP characteristics at all.

 

[Agent Intellect]

First and fourth one sound quite a bit like me, but yeah, the others are quite a ways off. but i do tend to be like the other definition of narcissistic that people were using, projecting an alpha-dog often times over-confident, un-emotional front to people then overthink myself into depression spirals when i'm by myself.

 

[Thomas Young]

First and fourth for me too, and I can be quite manipulative. To answer your question... What's the difference? Narcissism is Narcissism.

 

[zxc]

This kind of thing has been on my mind for quite a while, actually, because I found myself thinking about myself a lot and I decided self-hating is no less self-centered than having arrogant self-esteem.

anyway, OP, did you mean narcissism as self-centered/arrogant, or narcissism as in the actual disorder?



not exactly the dictionary definition of narcissism... but those things don't exactly gel with INTP characteristics at all.

After reading that definition, I don't think I'm narcissistic, but instead have a very high self-esteem.

 

[Decaf]

No, no, Im definately INTP, I've taken the test about 5 times now and get the same result. It also matches up with my personality so no, there's no way I'm ENTP. I think your trying to wind me up cogface... Unless your actually serious, your reasons for saying so should be amusing.

I tend to agree. Not that I insist you might be something else, but just from the use of strong language and apathy towards others you sound different than most of is. Its likely a cultural difference, but its very noticeable. There's nothing wrong with just being different than what we think of as the norm for an INTP, but I think there is a potential argument that there's something fundamentally different.

I don't actually think ENTP is likely however. Perhaps INTJ. If you're concerned that 'J' suggests you follow the rules then you haven't met many INTJs. You may disagree strongly, but I think it would be worth a read.

First and fourth for me too, and I can be quite manipulative. To answer your question... What's the difference? Narcissism is Narcissism.

The manipulative part is why I make the suggestion. Once a person figures out how to manipulate their way to success there are two introverted rational responses. The first is to continue to use the method and to perfect it. The second is to grow bored and uninterested and move on to something else or end up self-sabotaging your efforts. The first response is typical of INTJs and the second of INTPs. Then I think the first has a lot in common with ISTPs too, so maybe that's worth a skim.

Perhaps I'm entirely mistaken. There seems to be a lot of people who don't fit the forgiving and accepting mold I generally think of for INTPs over at INTPcentral. But its up to you what you decide is true.

NOTE: Internet personality tests are inherently flawed not just by a lack of validity documentation, but a lack of professional verification and variable context (there's no one to prep you to make sure you're answering honestly instead of answering how you want the test to come out).

 

[Agent Intellect]

i agree, Thomas Young, you seem to be on a very different vibe then the rest of the forum population. i'm wondering, though, if you are putting up a front to us? are you portraying the person you wish to be, a self confident, "narcissistic" stereotype of a guy? is the way you are seen on this forum the way you are perceived in the outside world? were you more honest on the test then you are with us?

i'm not trying to attack you or call you a liar or anything, i'm legitamately curious about you as a person. i think there is more to you then what you are letting on with your forum persona (as i'm sure is true of everyone here).

 

[Thomas Young]

Ye maybe Agent, It could be a combination of many of those things. I keep taking these damn tests and I've never had any other answer other than INTP. I'm excited by this forum that's a definite. I'm fronting a little because I want to make an impact and writing things is different to actually saying it. So I feel I can be as lairy as possible! I do feel I am Narcissistic, and as you say it could be a cultural thing too... remember we INTP's don't like convention, and ever since I got here I've been analysing all of you in detail to see the attitudes you have and maybe I'm breaking the mold a little. I'll chill out over time it just the initial buzz of finding people with the same peronality type.

I'll have a look at those other ones you mentioned Decaf and I'll get back to you.

- later... yes well they were interesting INTJ sounds a bit more like me but the other one no, I'm not that energized and active. I still think I'm INTP though the description is a more in fitting with my personality. The Narcissistic streak in me could be making me slightly different. I don't know, but I'll go with INTP until something more convincing arrives. INTP's are rare though, maybe I'm the only INTP in here!! But really I'd say its cultural, are there any Black INTP males in here?

I'd go with the second response predictably you might thing but I would. I used to manipulate and once they began to follow I no longer was amused by it and would drop the manipulation.

 

[zxc]

When I take online personality tests, I can make my end result become anything that I want. I always end up getting INTP because that's what I want, because I know that that is me, and I want to be me.

I would love to talk with a wise psychologist for hours and hours. Psychology is so interesting.

 

[ElectricWizard]

I assure you, you are not the only INTP here.

 

[Thomas Young]

So saying that zxc, are you answering the questions truthfully? Maybe you should I know I have for sure.

Ye I know, I was being irritating on purpose, got you didn't I... I'm probably the only black INTP here, maybe that's the difference. I'm not being a bigot but there is a big difference between black and white attitudes, its not a bad thing just the way things are.

Also in my defence, I do feel more comfortable with people of the same personality types hence my early boistrousness, but I'm sure the novelty will wear off after a while.

 

[ElectricWizard]

Us browns are pretty brown.

 

[zxc]

So saying that zxc, are you answering the questions truthfully? Maybe you should I know I have for sure.

Regardless of whether I'm answering the questions truthfully or not (I assure you I am though), I am INTP. Almost every INTP characteristic fits me perfectly.

 

[fullerene]

ENTJs are also prone to manipulation, IMO. You could check out how that one fits too. Their function strengths are the same as INTPs, just with opposite emphases (our intraverted functions being used extravertedly, our extraverted ones used intravertedly). I'm just wondering because I can't really imagine an INTP actively trying to manipulate people... even as a game. My sample size for an INTP character is only 3 people, though.

 

[Apathy]

When I was young I thought I was the Center of the Freaking Universe(or at least an important part of it) I believed that I was better than, or had the capability to be better than just about anyone at almost everything.

I admit, I was wrong. Running into people that have more knowledge or are stronger, faster, or more skilled was innevitable.

I have since refinded my beliefs to be this.

I am above average at almost everthing. While I may not be the "Center of the Freaking Universe" I will remain the Center of My Universe, And this makes me more important than you to me.

I think that should outline my Nacissism for the most part.

 

[Thomas Young]

No! that's not me.

Ur brown Wizard? Well I'm half white half black carribbean so I'm not totally of black origin.

I'm like that too, is that wrong though? putting ones self before others? but I suppose helping others is in our interest aswell cos it makes us feel better.

 

[Decaf]

I found an article that might lead to an interesting line of thought.

http://www.physorg.com/news141308850.html

 

[Thomas Young]

Ye that is interesting, I must say I do have 400+ freinds and at least three quarters of them I've met once through my old school or whatever and hardly spoke to any of them really. I must admit, I add them just to make my number of friends bigger, not that I activeley want to socialise with them. I'm also constantly updating my status to make an impact aswell. One of my friends actually pulled me up on it and commented 'Churchy (my nickname) you try way too hard on those status updates' That made me feel a bit stupid but I got over that feeling and continue to do it.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

@-Thomas Young
I've been told DeathGod, or death-something-or-other, or simply Death, is of the darker pigment.

 

[Kumori]

My feelings of inequity are the cause of my narcissism.

 

[Thomas Young]

hmm, what are these feeling of inequity about?

Thanks for the info cogface.

 

[ChaosTheory]

The only way I guess I could consider myself narcissistic would be because I tend to think I'm one of the only people around me or even on the internet that has a lot of common sense and logic at work all the time. I think I think through things a lot more completely and can come up with solutions are reasons why things occur the way they do. I don't think I'm better than them or that I'm superior, but yeah.

 

[Thomas Young]

The reason why i kind of agree with my diagnosis is that I am very self conciuos of how people percieve me and get angry when my ego is at stake. Also I talk about myself quite alot and am rarely interested in other opinions unless its to do with me. Im idealistic, always right and emotionally quite cold which women find frustrating as they always want me to 'open up' which is bull. Why should I 'open up' fro what purpose? So you can analyse me and pick at the parts? I just don't feel any reason to display fits of emotion its weak to do that. Coupled with my reasoning I just don't feel a whole lot of empathy anyway.

 

[Astrodirt]

Well, this forum sucked me in. I have to say, if I were only modest, I would be perfect! Ha!

Nikki

 

[Calamedes]

well said, Nikki. Also, please post an introduction message! We want to psychoanalyze, I mean "get to know" you! hahaha

I'm definitely arrogant, but idk about narcissistic. Narc-ism (shortening b/c it's a pain to spell :P) takes arrogance to such a great degree that I'm not willing to let myself go. Nihlist (part of a biologically/mentally elitist group, if I'm not mistaken... taken from Crime and Punishment- Dostoevsky), maybe. I wouldn't say that I look into a pool to revel in my outrageous beauty.

 

[Astrodirt]

Re: INTP and Narcissism... my intro and thoughts

Hi all,
I posted a quick thought a week or two ago and haven't had a chance to intro myself yet. I took the Meyer's Briggs recently to help me figure out what I'm doing and hopefully what I've been doing wrong. Years of alcoholic drinking have caught up with me and I'm trying to remove the chaos from my life. I think the drinking was a way for me to deal with perceived limitations in my personality. I felt like I SHOULD want to hang out, party, etc...-but really I would have done better to keep company with my books and my lovely thoughts. It's been a frustrating few months trying to come to terms with my emotions-they can be such a nuisance, but I feel like I will not be able to move on until I have.

It's been very interesting to read the posts on this site and to see many similarities in thought. I must admit, I tested very close to the line between thinking/feeling. I am a stained glass artist, but I love to read about science, philosophy and math. I have never found a workplace that I fit into, or a job that was satisying and challenging. I love doing stained glass, but have LOTS of difficulty motivating myself. My lack of motivation (as the rest of the world conceives it) has been a huge stumbling block in my life. I have so many great ideas and so little energy or interest in seeing them realized. Reading the description of INTP's made me see that at least I'm not the only one who feels that way! I've always been told that I was too spacey, head in the clouds, and had no common sense. Well, common sense is for common people I guess!

So, I guess here is where I return to the topic of this thread-narcissism. I said in my first post that if I were only modest I would be perfect! Actually though, I think that is more bravado on my part than narcissm. I do secretly tend to think that I am smarter than most people, but fortunately I am not so lost in my own head that I can't see how saying that to people might upset them-ha ha!

I'll be checking in every other week or so and look forward to more Deep Thoughts.

Astrodirt

 

[Gorgrim]

Maybe i am narcistic? oh..... well..

• Preoccupation with hiding real or perceived flaws
• Overestimation of importance, achievements, talents and skills
• Maladaptive attention seeking behavior
• Inability to empathize with others
• Excessive anger and shame in response to criticism often resulting in rage

I would say i suffer from having the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th to a small degree fourth.

the fifth is tricky. I think I may find myself getting annoyed/angry/snappy when im criticized, I feel like i am better than most people so they shouldnt critisize me when I'm perfectly fine at knowing what I need to do right or wrong!


I don't notice myself trying to manipulate anything. I don't think I ever did that.

Tbh. I think i am narcissistic. What a revelation. oh crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with me.. except that It may bother me too much that im too worried bout how I look or if how I walk or act look weird or anything.

At the same time, I do notice how people feel and consider people more than anybody else. I problably don't have empathy problems, but I think the rest fit somehow.

lastly, im not sure what maladaptive behavior means. If anybody could enlighten me... please



@Astrodirt, hello. I should give an intro too!. But I hope nobody has anything against me for not having done it yet

but despite that, hearing about your tendencies sound alot like me too. Although I love math / physics,

and have alot of hobbies that I like and am pretty good at, motivating it to get to a further level is sort of hard for me.

 

[Bahamut]

People mistake my narcissism for charm.
I think this benefits all parties equally so you'll hear no complaints from me.

 

[Decaf]

I'm a little verklempt. Talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic. Discuss.

 

[Astrodirt]

To Gorgrim
I'm new to forums, but Calamedes was nice enough to invite me to introduce myself, and I encourage you to do the same. I am a jane of all trades, master of a couple. Who are you?


Something that was on my mind today-body perception. this is not the OMG am I skinny enough stuff, this is a weird feeling I've had my whole life that my body was not really my own, not really attached to me kind of thing. I used to stare at my legs and hands as a child and wonder about how those things could actually be a part of me. I have always felt like a mind, not a body. People told me growing up that I was an old soul, too wise for my years. Now that I am older I feel like a young soul. My mind always on a quest-hoping to be heroic. Chuckle. Maybe someday. I know that I have a naivete (accent aigu) but I think that's a must for anyone who hopes to be heroic.

Any others relate to the body perception issue I mentioned?