Is pornography moral?

[Hadoblado]

The area surrounding sexual predation and porn is still in the air. From what I've (loosely) read, there may be some merit to providing pedophiles with CP sources from consenting adults (who were victims of CP as a child, then grew up). There is some evidence to suggest this might curb offences, and leave less lives destroyed.

However, Minuend's concerns are legitimate. It could easily backfire and have the opposite of the intended effect.

AFAIK the science isn't in yet.

"if it has a bad effect it's bad" LMAO... were you trying to say something else here? :P

You may laugh, but there are people here who would dispute this so it's worth saying.

 

[CatGoddess]

I suppose my point on lolis/consenting CP sources and pedophiles was less of a strong argument for its legality than it was a questioning of the prevailing view ("pedophiles are capital-E Evil, so therefore anything with pedophilia in it is capital-E Evil").

 

[Hadoblado]

Yeah I agree with you there. Sexual attraction to children is more common than child predation. There's no reason why there wouldn't be a subgroup of people who decide to (and successfully control) their sexual attraction to children. I've argued before that people like this should be celebrated, because they're demonstrating a moral integrity that most can't, giving up their sexuality in the interest of others.

http://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s11930-016-0076-z

 

[Minuend]

Nah, I wasn't saying I had data to back up loli hentai reducing instances of child molestation or anything. I agree that it would quite difficult to study that, so my statement was focusing on the fact that the hentai is enjoyable for the pedophile and doesn't harm anybody. Like, the pedophile doesn't choose to be a pedophile, so isn't it kind of unfair that, because of the way they were born, they can't enjoy a satisfying sexual relationship in good conscience?

But, yes, it is possible that the catharsis would increase aggression towards children.

Hentai is damaging if it increases amount of RL abuse.

But yeah, if your only way of feeling sexually satisfied is on behalf of the abuse of children, you shouldn't be able to have a satisfying sexual relationship. I find this pretty obiovus. If the only way you can enjoy a sexual relationship depends on abusing another, then, yeah, you wont have a satisfying relationship. Sorry, you cant rape people because thats the only way you feel sexually satisfied.

On a slightly more serious note, what do you mean when you say "deviants"? There are numerous manners by which somewhat might be a sexual deviant, and I think that the taboos surrounding some of those manners (non-harmful fetishes, for instance) is unwarranted...

If you read my post, I'd think you'd be able to understand what i mean by deviants and in which situations they are harmful. I mean, I pretty much spell it out.

Edit: also, you misunderstood my catharsis argument. In no way did I talk about increased aggresion towards children

 

[CatGoddess]

@Minuend I never said that you should be able to; I only said it was unfair that they had a problem that other people don't (having to worry about the fact that any fulfilling relationship would be abuse) out of no fault of their own. My point was that society shouldn't be so hard on non-offending pedophiles and do shit like ban lolis only because desiring children is for "bad people". Whether watching lolis increases/decreases the chance of real-life child rape is the only factor that should be taken into account.

Yeah, I did read your post, and, no, I do not understand what you mean. You said "outsiders and the sick" and people willing to "step outside of the boundaries". It's also clear that you view such people in a negative light, but why? Can you give some examples of such people and explain why it is a problem that they use prostitutes?

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

my hypothesis would be that sexual tastes are mostly formed by availability and habits. I think, for example, it's more likely that catholic priests tend to develop attraction for young boys, as opposed to people with an attraction for young boys tending to becoming catholic priests.

I guarantee you that if you watched granny porn for 3 months straight, you would start enjoying granny porn.

So my point being – there might be a good reason we want to disincentivize consumption of child porn – regardless of whether it's real, simulated, or animated.

 

[Hadoblado]

my hypothesis would be that sexual tastes are mostly formed by availability and habits. I think, for example, it's more likely that catholic priests tend to develop attraction for young boys, as opposed to people with an attraction for young boys tending to becoming catholic priests.

I guarantee you that if you watched granny porn for 3 months straight, you would start enjoying granny porn.

So my point being – there might be a good reason we want to disincentivize consumption of child porn – regardless of whether it's real, simulated, or animated.

Yeah, you're right, though it seems like some paraphilias are a lot more ingrained than such a take would imply. I think it likely you've got periods of vulnerability in which your sexuality is largely dictated, and then it's still slightly fluid, but mostly concrete after that. So CP probably does little to further influence a paedophile's sexuality, but preventing it from getting into the hands of people during the formative period could be effective.

 

[Minuend]

Yeah, I did read your post, and, no, I do not understand what you mean. You said "outsiders and the sick" and people willing to "step outside of the boundaries". It's also clear that you view such people in a negative light, but why? Can you give some examples of such people and explain why it is a problem that they use prostitutes?

When you keep bringing up my apparent prejudices and how I view certain people in a negative light, it's difficult not to assume you consider me some form of stereotype of a human that holds certain views of certain people. You don't read what I say in context, you pull it out of context and think I say it as some final truth about people that indicate I think certain things about those groups of people without reflection or context.

You're arguing against this archetype and person that is not me. You're not talking to me, you're talking to this prejudices person who you've made up your mind about how thinks.

 

[a_ghost_from_your_past]

We have good data that pedophilia can be reduced by porn that depicts 18+ models in a child-like state, especially from Japan. I think if harm can be reduced to having a cartoonish waifu pillow, that's as good as it gets.

 

[a_ghost_from_your_past]

On this note i would like to pose the question (since "teen porn" is an all-time favourite of heterosexual men) if some spectre of CP (and all the typical male fantasies about domination) is not fundamentally entwined with ordinary male sexuality.

 

[The Grey Man]

"There is no morality, only morale." -Hannibal Lecter

#ubermensch #eattherude #foodporn

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think its more about aspects of porn that maybe bad. Note I used the word bad not moral. Morality is little harder topic and using that word as a synonym with bad isnt exactly philosophically sound. Note how I used the word sound. What I mean is just cause you use the word moral it doesnt sound like philosophy. Many people are confused about what is and whats not whateva. You know technically sticking a bannana into someones bush and filming it just cant constitute a bad thing alone.

 

[Black Rose]

If porn comes in between you and another person then that is how I would define it as immoral.