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is space and matter the same

sushi

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or is space and matter different. space can exist without matter or vise versa.

today as for 2021, i feel that space and matter is the same thing.

but i might assume wrong, and that space and matter are two different and separate entities. I have insufficient data and real experience to prove or unprove myself, Space could just be emptiness/nothing and matter could just be matter

i will come back 2 or 3 years later to see if i am right or wong.
 

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In the standard model, there are particles and then there are force carriers. The Higgs field carries gravity between particles. A theory that unifies all the forces with gravity is a GUT (Grand Unified Theory) The E8 lattice is a gut. But I don't know what standards come with a unified theory. I do not know what the physical manifestation would be.

In my view, the rate interactions between point cloud matter are what permits time to happen. Time separates matter from space. No time no interactions.

Time and space may be the same but time branches creating matter. Time needs braches otherwise no space would not house new interactions and interactions are needed otherwise time would collapse into separate space.
 

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or is space and matter different. space can exist without matter or vise versa.
Space exists because matter does. There is no space without matter. We use the term space in order to portray's matter's existence by mutual their relativity.
 

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I think it probably is

Matter -> compressed and curved space
antimatter -> expanded and curved space

compression + expansion = null, void, empty = annihilation of matter

If you could curve empty space -> the centripetal force would push outward on empty space -> you'd get exactly gravity (F = G*M1*M2 / r^2) -> and its downward spiral effect

Magnetism -> quantum spin -> is just the orientation of a rotating body and of its resulting gravity -> manipulating this orientation relative to other rotating bodies creates 3D compressions and expansions of the space around it that radiates outward -> photonic energy that radiates out as a wave, but pulses back and forth discretely, also acting as a particle

antigravity -> you'd essentially have to find a way to exist, without being mass or wave energy. To do that you would have to find a way to create a vacuum in the vacuum of space.
You then could enter a new dimension of existence where the speed of light is a different speed. And as you create a greater vacuum in the vacuum of space, the speed of light increases. So now, you are not limited by the gravitational effects of matter and the max speed of C.
 

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I was thinking about this earlier, and I think that they are one in the same.

I just imagine that if time was perfectly uniform, and there were parts of it that moved slower, then that would account for forces like gravity. So then particles are just snags in time. Things with mass then would just be historical representations contained in a memory device that is perceived as matter. Space then is just time that is moving closer to the speed of time.
 

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Matter is made of atoms.
Atoms are made of sub atomic particles
These particles are essentially a type of energy.

This is from wikipedia.

So we know atoms are simply concentrated energy.

What we do not know is what is space.

Could space be energy? Is energy required to make space?
We certainly see curvature of space in presence of matter.

Meaning that energy of matter has transformative impact on space curving it in some weird way.

Energy is transformation to dumb it down.

The more energy you have the more can things change.
 

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Space is a form of energy. Mainly a network of gravitrons. It's similar to the Ether theory except the 'ether' distorts with the presence of mass instead of being the same throughout space.
 

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I think that ultimately it's all just probabilities, anything that can exist does exist, a universe exists for every permutation of events a given universe can have, and a universe exists for every permutation of proprieties a universe can have.

It makes more sense that if something exists everything exists than something specific existing and only that specific something.

So in an absolute sense space and time and everything we know of is probably just an emergent property of boundless possibilities, so they are both the same thing because in the grand scheme of things what they are is arbitrary and irrelevant.

I think we can no more study the truly fundamental nature of the universe than someone can deduce the nature of subatomic physics by watching waves from the seashore. In this metaphor the waves are subatomic physics (what we can observe) but the true nature of things is probably several (possibly hundreds) of levels deeper, far beyond anything we could possibly make sense of.

It may simply be the improbability of such things puts them far outside the timescale of our universe, the big bang may be a common event on a trillion year timescale but the universe as we know it is only about 13 billion years old. How do we study what causes these events if the only one we'll likely ever know of has already come and gone billions of years before we even existed?
 
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