Knowing someone's MBTI?

[ashitaria]

What's the best way to get someone to take an MBTI test without them looking at you funny?

 

[LAM]

Adymus and I think another guy on this forum created some specific theories and stuff on recognising what MBTI type a person is by virtue of their body language and how they act and something like that.

 

[ashitaria]

Unfortunately, I'm no good in reading faces. Smiling and laughing are two different things, and even then, smiles are extremely relative.

Take me for example, I'm an INTP, but my smiles vary ALOT depending on the situation. Same with my friends, same with the people around me.

On the other hand, I usually look for traits of a certain type, but the best I can do is distinguish an introvert from an extrovert and a J from a P. Thinking and Feeling are hard to distinguish from one another, and so is Intuitive and Sensors, though I am sure that many people in my class are definitely Sensors.

And that's considering the fact that people act differently at school than at home, especially in a very large group.

Any other way?

 

[LAM]

Unfortunately, I'm no good in reading faces. Smiling and laughing are two different things, and even then, smiles are extremely relative.

Take me for example, I'm an INTP, but my smiles vary ALOT depending on the situation. Same with my friends, same with the people around me.

On the other hand, I usually look for traits of a certain type, but the best I can do is distinguish an introvert from an extrovert and a J from a P. Thinking and Feeling are hard to distinguish from one another, and so is Intuitive and Sensors, though I am sure that many people in my class are definitely Sensors.

And that's considering the fact that people act differently at school than at home, especially in a very large group.

Any other way?

Its the most accurate way if you know how to do it... There always is socionics but thats mostly a bunch of BS.

 

[ashitaria]

Its the most accurate way if you know how to do it... There always is socionics but thats mostly a bunch of BS.

I told you, I know how to do it, but the results are very relative.

 

[LAM]

I told you, I know how to do it, but the results are very relative.

Hmm, it should generally stack up. I mean over a longer period of time you might notice exactly what a person is. In any case trying to use MBTI in socialising is useless.... You can't really read a person's mind when you know their MBTI, you just know how they gain information, how its processed, stored and used.

 

[ashitaria]

Hmm, it should generally stack up. I mean over a longer period of time you might notice exactly what a person is. In any case trying to use MBTI in socialising is useless.... You can't really read a person's mind when you know their MBTI, you just know how they gain information, how its processed, stored and used.

I'm not getting their MBTI for the sake for socializing, I'm getting it because I'm curious. But thanks anyway.

 

[LAM]

I'm not getting their MBTI for the sake for socializing, I'm getting it because I'm curious. But thanks anyway.

I was once curious too . I even asked one of my friends to take a test. Turns out he is an ESTP. It didn't really mean anything or change anything. It didn't really feel revealing at all like when I found out I was an INTP. Anti-climactic I guess. I don't think he cared either, I guess if I showed it to an INTP who didn't know he was one the reaction would probably be different.

 

[Adymus]

Unfortunately, I'm no good in reading faces. Smiling and laughing are two different things, and even then, smiles are extremely relative.

Take me for example, I'm an INTP, but my smiles vary ALOT depending on the situation. Same with my friends, same with the people around me.

On the other hand, I usually look for traits of a certain type, but the best I can do is distinguish an introvert from an extrovert and a J from a P. Thinking and Feeling are hard to distinguish from one another, and so is Intuitive and Sensors, though I am sure that many people in my class are definitely Sensors.

And that's considering the fact that people act differently at school than at home, especially in a very large group.

Any other way?

That thread I wrote on types and their smiles is only about 1/100 of the resources I use to read people (That was also not the thread LAM was talking about in case you were mistaken). And yeah, smiles vary, but not enough to make them unpredictable, the dynamic range of their expressiveness is still very apparent.

Extroversion / introversion is not as easy to read as you think, and you have more than likely gotten that one wrong on several occasions if you are only basing it on how much they talk.

Also, a person changing the way the act is completely irrelevant, they still use the same processes, and they still will be stimulated and drained by the same processes, I assure it leaves it's mark; and it is very noticeable if you know what to look for.

 

[ashitaria]

That thread I wrote on types and their smiles is only about 1/100 of the resources I use to read people (That was also not the thread LAM was talking about in case you were mistaken). And yeah, smiles vary, but not enough to make them unpredictable, the dynamic range of their expressiveness is still very apparent.

Extroversion / introversion is not as easy to read as you think, and you have more than likely gotten that one wrong on several occasions if you are only basing it on how much they talk.

Also, a person changing the way the act is completely irrelevant, they still use the same processes, and they still will be stimulated and drained by the same processes, I assure it leaves it's mark; and it is very noticeable if you know what to look for.

But most of the people in my class laugh instead of smile, and a laughing smile is different from a smiling smile. I guess it's mostly my fault, I crack a lot of jokes in class. *sigh*
I guess I'll take a break off the jokes and observe carefully though. My classmates, when they are not laughing, they smile rarely, and even then, I don't know if it's a laughing smile or a smile smile.

 

[Adymus]

But most of the people in my class laugh instead of smile, and a laughing smile is different from a smiling smile. I guess it's mostly my fault, I crack a lot of jokes in class. *sigh*
I guess I'll take a break off the jokes and observe carefully though. My classmates, when they are not laughing, they smile rarely, and even then, I don't know if it's a laughing smile or a smile smile.

There is no way that is true, what kind of people skip smiling and go straight to laughing every time?

But that is not important anyway, because it is not just smiling that is revealing, it is how much expression they use.

Here...

Spoiler

Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.

Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.

 

[ashitaria]

There is no way that is true, what kind of people skip smiling and go straight to laughing every time?

But that is not important anyway, because it is not just smiling that is revealing, it is how much expression they use.

Here...

Spoiler

Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.

Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.

Ah, thanks for the information. I have a few questions though.

By "reaching the eyes", do you mean the wrinkles? Does muscles moving at your eyes count?

 

[LAM]

There is no way that is true, what kind of people skip smiling and go straight to laughing every time?

But that is not important anyway, because it is not just smiling that is revealing, it is how much expression they use.

Here...

Spoiler

Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.

Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.

Usually I think you smile first and then laugh. They may only smile for a small length of time if they do that but nevertheless they still smile before laughing. (In my experience; no empirical evidence.)

 

[ashitaria]

Usually I think you smile first and then laugh. They may only smile for a small length of time if they do that but nevertheless they still smile before laughing. (In my experience; no empirical evidence.)

Though at times they go straight out burst out laughing.

Which happens alot in my class.

 

[LAM]

There is no way that is true, what kind of people skip smiling and go straight to laughing every time?

But that is not important anyway, because it is not just smiling that is revealing, it is how much expression they use.

Here...

Spoiler

Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.

Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.

Adymus you should seriously compile all that work and make a book or something. Or show it to us intpforumers for free!! . I actually would buy a book thats got that kind of information and is well-written.

 

[Adymus]

Ah, thanks for the information. I have a few questions though.

By "reaching the eyes", do you mean the wrinkles? Does muscles moving at your eyes count?

I'm going to use clips this time because it is way easier to see this distinction in real time than it is to see in pictures

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV0OGNMLaK0

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9gV53BtnDw

Avril Lavinge is an ENTP, and Brent Spiner is an INTP. Let's talk about Avril first because she smiles more than Brent. When you watch her, focus on her eyes, notice when she smiles she gets this big grin on her mouth but her eyes don't even move? Her grin doesn't really pass the mid-line of her face, that is what I mean by reaching or not reaching the Eyes. It's the same with Brent spiner, only he smiles a lot less in the first place.

I'm not sure what you mean by muscles moving at the eyes... Although I will say the muscles in the eyes of an F do tend to twitch and move more even when they are trying to keep a straight face.

 

[ashitaria]

I'm going to use clips this time because it is way easier to see this distinction in real time than it is to see in pictures

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV0OGNMLaK0

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9gV53BtnDw

Avril Lavinge is an ENTP, and Brent Spiner is an INTP. Let's talk about Avril first because she smiles more than Brent. When you watch her, focus on her eyes, notice when she smiles she gets this big grin on her mouth but her eyes don't even move? Her grin doesn't really pass the mid-line of her face, that is what I mean by reaching or not reaching the Eyes. It's the same with Brent spiner, only he smiles a lot less in the first place.

I'm not sure what you mean by muscles moving at the eyes... Although I will say the muscles in the eyes of an F do tend to twitch and move more even when they are trying to keep a straight face.

Sorry, I'm so poor in reading smiles or faces that I can't get it. How can any smile reach the eyes? I know you are not talking in the literal sense, and I see how her eyes don't move when she smiles, but are you implying that when an F smiles, their eyes move about a lot?

The way I see it, everyone's smile stop at the cheekbones, and everyone's eyes get compressed a little. My the muscles at my eyes cave in a little when I smile, does that mean I'm an F type? Is that the definition of the smile reaching the eyes? Because then it's kinda inaccurate or I'm not an INTP.

 

[Adymus]

Sorry, I'm so poor in reading smiles or faces that I can't get it. How can any smile reach the eyes? I know you are not talking in the literal sense, and I see how her eyes don't move when she smiles, but are you implying that when an F smiles, their eyes move about a lot?

The way I see it, everyone's smile stop at the cheekbones, and everyone's eyes get compressed a little. My the muscles at my eyes cave in a little when I smile, does that mean I'm an F type? Is that the definition of the smile reaching the eyes? Because then it's kinda inaccurate or I'm not an INTP.

I kind of do mean this in the literal sense, but a smile does not mean only the mouth if that is how you are defining it.
No an F's eyes don't "move a lot" when the smile, but their whole face will contort along with the smile. Not just a little like it does for you (assuming you are an INTP), but so much that it would actually be uncomfortable for you to even try faking it.

It's really hard for me to describe it without just showing you...
You either see the pattern or you don't, if not then just give yourself some time, and try and notice the pattern on your friends and associates, you'll surely notice it eventually.

 

[LAM]

Sorry, I'm so poor in reading smiles or faces that I can't get it. How can any smile reach the eyes? I know you are not talking in the literal sense, and I see how her eyes don't move when she smiles, but are you implying that when an F smiles, their eyes move about a lot?

The way I see it, everyone's smile stop at the cheekbones, and everyone's eyes get compressed a little. My the muscles at my eyes cave in a little when I smile, does that mean I'm an F type? Is that the definition of the smile reaching the eyes? Because then it's kinda inaccurate or I'm not an INTP.

I think that he means that your entire face smiles: . I think its something like the emoticon except imagine the cheeks are making the smiling curve and so are the eyes. Maybe thats it?

Edit: I SEE IT!!; go to the smile thread and then look at the fe types at the beggining. then look at the fold of skin just under the eye. Then see if it curves upwards and continues to the sides of the eye. Then see the INTPs; the folds under the eyes remain unouched by the smile. (Is this right Adymus?)

 

[ashitaria]

Oh gosh. I thought the answer was more than that. *rips hair out*

So yeah, I had already guessed long ago that an F's smile is more likely to contort the face, but when I looked at all your pictures, Adymus, all the faces looked the same to me.

I must really suck at reading faces. *sigh*

I actually didn't see the difference between the INTP smiles and the ENFJ smiles. Oh well....

I might go get glasses.

I think that he means that your entire face smiles: . I think its something like the emoticon except imagine the cheeks are making the smiling curve and so are the eyes. Maybe thats it?

That was something I had already guessed long ago. And I still don't get it. Argh!!!!!

 

[Adymus]

Oh gosh. I thought the answer was more than that. *rips hair out*

So yeah, I had already guessed long ago that an F's smile is more likely to contort the face, but when I looked at all your pictures, Adymus, all the faces looked the same to me.

I must really suck at reading faces. *sigh*

I actually didn't see the difference between the INTP smiles and the ENFJ smiles. Oh well....

I might go get glasses.



That was something I had already guessed long ago.

Really?

Hmm, I really thought the difference would be obvious...

It's probably just the flatness of only seeing a picture, but that is why I rather use youtube videos to demonstrate this instead.

 

[ashitaria]

Really?

Hmm, I really thought the difference would be obvious...

It's probably just the flatness of only seeing a picture, but that is why I rather use youtube videos to demonstrate this instead.

Not your fault.

I guess I'll try it out with some of my classmates.