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So, TLDR (why are these usually put at the bottom???) - This article talks about shadow functions. I'm especially interested in the seventh (PoLR) because the concept seems to explain a number of personal observations. Thoughts?
Reddit Post
The personal observations:
{from a different thread)
The interesting thing is that, though you may be joking, this seems to pretty much be how an ENFP dude I know thinks. To be fair, he's a high schooler, so the odds of him being a mature human being were slim to begin with, but still. He contradicts himself quite frequently, sometimes in the same (fast, long-winded) sentence, and if anybody points that out to him (not even to be mean, necessarily; sometimes they're just trying to figure out what he actually thinks) he flips his shit. i.e. "Why don't you like me???", etc. There's a number of other things, too.
I find this interesting because I'd think that it would be ExFJ sorts who would be the most anti-logic, but they're typically appreciative of it (as long as it's not really "mean") even if they don't tend to excel at deductive reasoning. It tends to be ExFP people who get so bent out of shape and refuse to respond to logical arguments/like to argue through loudness and pushiness. (some of the ones I know are more mature than the one I described above, but I've still noticed breaking down and refusing to respond to logic when under stress)
Some recent research I did, though, suggests that that actually is a part of "type theory"; apparently, PoLR is the true weak point. The inferior is a love-hate sort of thing, whereas the bad side of the PoLR is more of a hate-hate, or a "get this shit away from me". This explains, I think, why most IxTP I meet actually do enjoy the warm, mothering sort of people to some extent and have a greater regard for niceness than I do. They (or, @you, reader, since this is an intp forum) might be bad at producing Fe-relating things, and they might even become bitter about social interaction at some points, but they still want that warmth and Fe-style care.
On the other hand, as an INTJ, Fe is the PoLR for me. I have a great dislike for "solicitous" behavior - casual acquaintances pushing me to tell them what's wrong when they already asked and I said "nothing", people demanding that I eat at x time and not leaving me alone when I say no, telling me I should "express" x emotion at x time (I view emotions as private; my internal experience is not for the benefit of casual acquaintances and strangers, ty very much), etc. On the other hand, IxTP friends of mine seem to enjoy Fe sort of behavior; they view it as "nice" or "sweet" or whatever (I tend to see it as smothering or, in my worse moods, emotionally authoritarian.)
So, to sum it up: INTP complaining about Fe looks more like "I hate social norms! I have to say hello and how are you every time I meet somebody or else they already think I'm a rude douche... Plus, I always feel so awkward talking to people because I know I'm probably breaking 1000 norms per second" (while secretly wishing they were more adept at Fe)
INTJ complaining about Fe is like "Why the hell do people insist on controlling and meddling with things that are not their business? I do my work and I do it effectively; nobody has the right to tell me I have to 'participate' in their useless 'bonding' games... Why do I have to 'bond' with these people, anyways? What, does everyone have to like them in order for them to feel validated? Do they have to control other people's social interactions?" (while getting along decently in social situations by behaving politely, formally, and competently, albeit somewhat coldly)
So, yeah. Thoughts on PoLR or any other part of the reddit post?
EDIT: Changed the link to not fill the screen with words.
Reddit Post
The personal observations:
{from a different thread)
minuend said:I personally reject and fight against logic, as an ENFP. If I see a tinsy winsy bit of logic in what someone says, I shut that shit down with my superior emotional skills. Pew pew (that's the sound of emotions clouding your vision and making you dumb). On the death of me, I'll never acknowledge logic. Shush, go away
The interesting thing is that, though you may be joking, this seems to pretty much be how an ENFP dude I know thinks. To be fair, he's a high schooler, so the odds of him being a mature human being were slim to begin with, but still. He contradicts himself quite frequently, sometimes in the same (fast, long-winded) sentence, and if anybody points that out to him (not even to be mean, necessarily; sometimes they're just trying to figure out what he actually thinks) he flips his shit. i.e. "Why don't you like me???", etc. There's a number of other things, too.
I find this interesting because I'd think that it would be ExFJ sorts who would be the most anti-logic, but they're typically appreciative of it (as long as it's not really "mean") even if they don't tend to excel at deductive reasoning. It tends to be ExFP people who get so bent out of shape and refuse to respond to logical arguments/like to argue through loudness and pushiness. (some of the ones I know are more mature than the one I described above, but I've still noticed breaking down and refusing to respond to logic when under stress)
Some recent research I did, though, suggests that that actually is a part of "type theory"; apparently, PoLR is the true weak point. The inferior is a love-hate sort of thing, whereas the bad side of the PoLR is more of a hate-hate, or a "get this shit away from me". This explains, I think, why most IxTP I meet actually do enjoy the warm, mothering sort of people to some extent and have a greater regard for niceness than I do. They (or, @you, reader, since this is an intp forum) might be bad at producing Fe-relating things, and they might even become bitter about social interaction at some points, but they still want that warmth and Fe-style care.
On the other hand, as an INTJ, Fe is the PoLR for me. I have a great dislike for "solicitous" behavior - casual acquaintances pushing me to tell them what's wrong when they already asked and I said "nothing", people demanding that I eat at x time and not leaving me alone when I say no, telling me I should "express" x emotion at x time (I view emotions as private; my internal experience is not for the benefit of casual acquaintances and strangers, ty very much), etc. On the other hand, IxTP friends of mine seem to enjoy Fe sort of behavior; they view it as "nice" or "sweet" or whatever (I tend to see it as smothering or, in my worse moods, emotionally authoritarian.)
So, to sum it up: INTP complaining about Fe looks more like "I hate social norms! I have to say hello and how are you every time I meet somebody or else they already think I'm a rude douche... Plus, I always feel so awkward talking to people because I know I'm probably breaking 1000 norms per second" (while secretly wishing they were more adept at Fe)
INTJ complaining about Fe is like "Why the hell do people insist on controlling and meddling with things that are not their business? I do my work and I do it effectively; nobody has the right to tell me I have to 'participate' in their useless 'bonding' games... Why do I have to 'bond' with these people, anyways? What, does everyone have to like them in order for them to feel validated? Do they have to control other people's social interactions?" (while getting along decently in social situations by behaving politely, formally, and competently, albeit somewhat coldly)
So, yeah. Thoughts on PoLR or any other part of the reddit post?
EDIT: Changed the link to not fill the screen with words.