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oh yeah, those sexual dreams that come with abstinence! all night long.

the other night i was in a fight with my father, who looked a bit like a latina woman when i realized that his anger could be tamed, if i were to consider his needs from an empathic point of view, so I fucked him in the ass, while i blew his sissy cock and licked his balls.

#nohomo :facepalm:
 

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(unattractive/beta/omega men, those who are stuck with porn, are only allowed to have a desire to serve women, not a desire in sexuality approaching them, because their sexuality is interpreted as predatory whereas attractive men who actually approach women sexually are not perceived as predatory)
Is this your perception based on your personal experiences? Is there supporting data?
 

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supporting data? it's not even imaginable that it could be different, given the gender role of women being recipients or rejectors and given that individuals (of any gender) are mostly focused on their own needs, not on understanding and considering the needs of others from a second person perspective.
 

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supporting data? it's not even imaginable that it could be different, given the gender role of women being recipients or rejectors and given that individuals (of any gender) are mostly focused on their own needs, not on understanding and considering the needs of others from a second person perspective.
My reservation: I am an alpha male and my perception based on my intention can sometimes be predatory in nature (which is ok if your honest and they are receptive) and some women find it attractive. I am physically attractive enough that I know if I fluff my feathers at the right time the women will come to me, sometimes in a predatory manor. My outward personality can also be very attractive to women (albeit for a short period of time, usually long enough that they don't hate me before the end of the night, lol, not always the case, and can actually enhance the sexual experience with the right person) and it allows me to date women who are better looking than would be expected if my appraisal value is only based on physical appearance. Having sex with others has been very easy for me but only because I don't have to go look for it. I'm just curious if you are manifesting the results or if the results manifested your perception. I know my attitude WILL ALWAYS make or break an opportunity for a connection with another person, be it sexual or otherwise.
 

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i took for granted, that whether a man is (un)attractive to women (and thus stuck with porn) depends on many other factors than physical appearance. even height is perceived as more of a symbol of power and influence than as an important aesthetic value. and it's mostly tall men who define the low status of a short men, women just respond to the resulting position of men. of course the alpha man seeks fault in the omega mans behavior. he would actively seek me out, in front of all women, to discuss how i might be blamed for something. not only women shame beta and omega men. but just like they would think it's appropriate to tell a guy like me that my cutout is too low. they would blog about it. but a separate self does not exist. nobody is manifesting anything as an individual. my conditioning, attitude and behavior, has been created by other people responding to my objective traits. your attitude/conditioning has been created by the positive experiences, that were granted to you by others. the fact that i have linked to a pick up artist does not imply, that i believe in the power of blending people with words, that are copied from a person with higher social standing, that are not in line with own conditioning and experience. my interest in pick up is mostly anthropological. i certainly study their fearlessness to learn about how it's possible, but not because i think that being fearless would make me more attractive to neutotypical people.
 

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my conditioning, attitude and behavior, has been created by other people responding to my objective traits. your attitude/conditioning has been created by the positive experiences, that were granted to you by others.
We will have to go further down the rabbit hole. Why do you say they judge you based on your objective traits, but they grant me positive experiences?

My view of reality is of the understanding that in order for data to transfer there must be a receiver, a medium and a transmitter. The receiver can only receive the information as it perceive it. The medium can only transfer the information as well as it can (data can be lost due to resistance or added from interference from within or around the medium). The transmitter has no way of knowing what data the receiver has received. Data can never be transferred with 100% accuracy. With that being said the receiver is only receiving the data they think they are transmitted and the transmitter cannot know what the receiver is receiving. Either can only make as accurate of a use of the data as permitted by the laws of thermodynamics.
 

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Not going into any rabbit holes with you. Don't act like general patterns of society are about me.

A man talks like he is super easy going. She asks: what do you work. He admits he has no income. She is certain and most certainly right, that he is just faking his easy going attitude. She rejects him and will remember him as a desperate and needy person, even though this feeling just represents her imagination of anyone without income. Objective traits can't be overplayed by attitude, short of complete lying about facts. I do not lie. This isn't rocket science.
 

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Not going into any rabbit holes with you. Don't act like general patterns of society are about me.

A man talks like he is super easy going. She asks: what do you work. He admits he has no income. She is certain and most certainly right, that he is just faking his easy going attitude. She rejects him and will remember him as a desperate and needy person, even though this feeling just represents her imagination of anyone without income. Objective traits can't be overplayed by attitude, short of complete lying about facts. I do not lie. This isn't rocket science.
Well, actually, she might view him as either incompetent or unmotivated/lazy, if he has no income whatsoever (unless he is physically disabled). It depends on the woman, the man, what was shared in the discussion, and the context.

(For example, what if the man says he has no income because he works for free in food kitchens and to build houses for the homeless? And thus just lives off food and shelter provided him during the time to accomplish his jobs? A woman could still respect that, but she still might not want to be involved due to the complications of his work and lack of income. *shrug*)

So when you say "objective fact," we're really only talking about the fact that a particular man might have no income? I wouldn't generalize.

My view of reality is of the understanding that in order for data to transfer there must be a receiver, a medium and a transmitter. The receiver can only receive the information as it perceive it. The medium can only transfer the information as well as it can (data can be lost due to resistance or added from interference from within or around the medium). The transmitter has no way of knowing what data the receiver has received. Data can never be transferred with 100% accuracy. With that being said the receiver is only receiving the data they think they are transmitted and the transmitter cannot know what the receiver is receiving. Either can only make as accurate of a use of the data as permitted by the laws of thermodynamics.
Yes, that's part of the inherent ambiguity in communications, where we are each stuck in our particular black boxes (our own skull/brain) and are merely transmitting and receiving signals that are (1) incomplete on the detail level and (2) with each person not sharing the exact same lexicon to look up the meaning of the messages.

Of course, feedback loops help immensely, to calibrate the message.
 

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Well said..
 

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Not going into any rabbit holes with you. Don't act like general patterns of society are about me.

A man talks like he is super easy going. She asks: what do you work. He admits he has no income. She is certain and most certainly right, that he is just faking his easy going attitude. She rejects him and will remember him as a desperate and needy person, even though this feeling just represents her imagination of anyone without income. Objective traits can't be overplayed by attitude, short of complete lying about facts. I do not lie. This isn't rocket science.
Its too late, you're already down the hole. General patterns are concluded by summing individualities. Don't view this as a personal attack on your belief, think of it as an alternative route to gauge reality that wont necessarily break any rules of your belief system. I think we are saying the same thing, from separate perspectives, in two different languages. My only intention is to strengthen our understanding of each others data so we can lift the fog of war. I liked you from the first post of yours I read. I don't normally read long posts but yours are of high interest to me. You paint a wonderful picture of who you are. If you finished a Rubik's Cube without effort, you are much better at reverse engineering than I am and I am phenomenal at it. You are an effective communicator of your personal perceptions, so am I, where we both (admittedly) fall short is on our understanding of others from an individual perspective that is not our own. That doesn't denote a lack of understanding because the patterns can be learned from our general experiences, the act of reverse engineering its self. If I wanted to put you in a box, I wouldn't be talking to you. Recipratory data transfers are the next step in the evolution of our self awareness.


First off, if a girl asks you what you do for work early off enough in conversation. say good bye and good riddance. I generally have sex with 10 partners a year give or take several. I find that I get laid more when I'm broke, I have more time to make myself available.
 

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Well, actually, she might view him as either incompetent or unmotivated/lazy, if he has no income whatsoever (unless he is physically disabled). It depends on the woman, the man, what was shared in the discussion, and the context.

(For example, what if the man says he has no income because he works for free in food kitchens and to build houses for the homeless? And thus just lives off food and shelter provided him during the time to accomplish his jobs? A woman could still respect that, but she still might not want to be involved due to the complications of his work and lack of income. *shrug*)
Synergy is the term people use to describe this when they don't understand how thermodynamics works.
 

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well i shall try to get over my post traumatic stress reaction of feeling socially attacked by how you have even approached me in this thread, poking in my most vulnerable spot (being rejected by the whole world including my parents for not being neurotypical from the first day of my life), the whole thing being off topic as well... and try to see the best in you ... but i will certainly not explore this subject any further in this thread.

First off, if a girl asks you what you do for work early off enough in conversation. say good bye and good riddance.
you know i am getting the hang of making my own rules about what experience i subject myself to, as you can see here. and i actually wouldn't care to talk to women or men who ask holes into how much of a wreck my psychosocial situation is. but all people do that. might have something to do with my dresscode (goa hippy/skate punk) and similar cues that make them suspicious. so i don't talk to human beings.
 

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well i shall try to get over my post traumatic stress reaction of feeling socially attacked by how you have even approached me in this thread, poking in my most vulnerable spot (being rejected by the whole world including my parents for not being neurotypical from the first day of my life), the whole thing being off topic as well... and try to see the best in you ... but i will certainly not explore this subject any further in this thread.
I do apologize for being so direct, but we are so different in our outward personalities that I couldn't pass up the opportunity to attempt a connection. Generally people with your disposition reject me before they get to know who I am. I'm a clumsy oaf that looks like an idiot most of the time. It is easily seen in my online personality. I recognize that peoples understanding of reality is based on biases caused by their surroundings and not necessarily reflective of reality its self.

Its a predictable response on your part, much like the uncertainty principle, in that the predictability of it does not dictate an exact answer. We always remain individuals.

you know i am getting the hang of making my own rules about what experience i subject myself to, as you can see here. and i actually wouldn't care to talk to women or men who ask holes into how much of a wreck my psychosocial situation is. but all people do that. might have something to do with my dresscode (goa hippy/skate punk) and similar cues that make them suspicious. so i don't talk to human beings.
As stated above in reference to the uncertainty principle, any thoughts that you control what happens to you are no more prosperous to believe than it is to believe you can control how other people perceive you or that you can have an accurate assessment of their perception. Just like your example of how women reject to you based on your financial situation, you are now using your dress code as a means to explain your perceived suspicion. A dress code you manufactured to fit your personal taste. I would say, if they were suspicious of you for the clothes you wear, good riddance and good bye. I used to dress in that attire all the time with a lot of other people dressed in similar attire. I don't feel like it hindered me so much that I would call it a rejection from the world. I didn't work at fancy places. I still had lot of friends and still had lots of sex.
 

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First off, if a girl asks you what you do for work early off enough in conversation. say good bye and good riddance. I generally have sex with 10 partners a year give or take several. I find that I get laid more when I'm broke, I have more time to make myself available.
This is really amusing. I doubt I go more than 10 seconds before asking this question. It's because most people (especially men in Western society) are what they do, at least some degree. Regardless, the immediate answer is far less important than the subsequent conversation, which allows for a quick inventory of our potential for compatibility in the areas of education, world-view, and ambition. It's a pretty necessary question too, because I've not reached that cougar-esque stage where I'm just looking for a "piece of ass". I prefer someone who I subjectively see as being roughly my equal, even if it's just for casual sex.
 

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This is really amusing. I doubt I go more than 10 seconds before asking this question. It's because most people (especially men in Western society) are what they do, at least some degree. Regardless, the immediate answer is far less important than the subsequent conversation, which allows for a quick inventory of our potential for compatibility in the areas of education, world-view, and ambition. It's a pretty necessary question too, because I've not reached that cougar-esque stage where I'm just looking for a "piece of ass". I prefer someone who I subjectively see as being roughly my equal, even if it's just for casual sex.
If you think social status is a comparative of equality I feel bad for you and would rather not have sex with you casually or otherwise. It would prolly be a mutual feeling between the two of us and we could actually have a sex free friend ship, if you could stand to be around me, lmao. I haven't met an all encompassing equal yet. I leave my challenge on the table anywhere I might be. You haven't brought any new data to the table for me. Its pretty common and directly connected to evolution.
 

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This is really amusing. I doubt I go more than 10 seconds before asking this question.
Ditto.

I think Bogart's a narcissist.
 

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This is really amusing. I doubt I go more than 10 seconds before asking this question. It's because most people (especially men in Western society) are what they do, at least some degree. Regardless, the immediate answer is far less important than the subsequent conversation, which allows for a quick inventory of our potential for compatibility in the areas of education, world-view, and ambition. It's a pretty necessary question too, because I've not reached that cougar-esque stage where I'm just looking for a "piece of ass". I prefer someone who I subjectively see as being roughly my equal, even if it's just for casual sex.
yeah. I mean, I'd ask the question too but only because I'm trying to find things to talk about, and people spend a significant part of their time during the week working; and often they have a vested interest and expertise in what they do. It's not just the answer that is given, but how they talk about it -- it can tell me a lot (in the ways you've described).

But, heck, it's not like strangers don't ask me what *I* do, and I'm a woman. Although I think when guys are trying to hit on you, they usually start with fluff comments like complimenting your body parts or your smile or something...
 

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But, heck, it's not like strangers don't ask me what *I* do, and I'm a woman. Although I think when guys are trying to hit on you, they usually start with fluff comments like complimenting your body parts or your smile or something...
I don't hit on women. Never have.
 

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I don't hit on women. Never have.
Yet you manage to sleep with 10+ per year?

You're either sex on legs, or buying them, which is it?
 

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Yet you manage to sleep with 10+ per year?

You're either sex on legs, or buying them, which is it?
I've never bought it but I don't think I'm sex on wheels. I turn it down more than I accept.
 

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PHP:
That's what they all say...
"They" have no bearing on me only your perception of the what you hear them say.
 

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I used to ask people about their jobs because that's like in the top 5 in terms of small talk topics. But after I fell out of it myself and realized how bad feels it can be being asked, I stopped and I only ask if I'm fairly certain the person is doing something and I run out of small talk. I never really particularly cared about what people do, though, and I have pursued people without a job and without a college degree.
 

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I don't hit on women. Never have.
Is there a reason why you personalized my comment, when I wasn't even thinking of you or mentioning you when I wrote it? Curious...

Like, why would i care whether or not you hit on women?
 

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Is there a reason why you personalized my comment, when I wasn't even thinking of you or mentioning you when I wrote it? Curious...

Like, why would i care whether or not you hit on women?
I didn't think you cared. I highlighted it because it echoes what I said. I'm a narcissist remember. I don't need your approval. Take that with a grain of salt I don't mean it as anything other than truth. its not a personal attack.
 

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I used to ask people about their jobs because that's like in the top 5 in terms of small talk topics. But after I fell out of it myself and realized how bad feels it can be being asked, I stopped and I only ask if I'm fairly certain the person is doing something and I run out of small talk. I never really particularly cared about what people do, though, and I have pursued people without a job and without a college degree.
Admittedly when I was throwing money around like it was going out of style right before the crash of 08, I got laid a lot more often than I did after. I learned a valuable lesson from the experience. Money is a manifestation of mans greed and should not be used to measure a mans credibility. I view it as a potential negative attribute and anyone measuring anyone by it is of lesser value because of it. I don't condemn because I understand its evolutionary.
 

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If you think social status is a comparative of equality I feel bad for you
Social status only comes into play when one person is (or is seeking to be) dependent on the other. Like human leeches.

As I said, the answer isn't as important as the conversation that follows. If someone said, "I weld together metal sculptures from the back of my RV, which is conveniently parked on some dude's junkyard", I'd be interested, and I would steer the conversation toward their motivation. I'd rather spend time with a person who has a passion for life, than a middle-management code-monkey with steady income.

The simple question of how you spend your waking hours -- what you do with your life -- is anything but trivial. Most people need to earn money to live independently, and such earnings occupy a great deal of an adult's life. It follows, then, that "what do you do for a living?" is a very efficient opening/early question when getting to know a person.

The equality I'm talking about is a match in the cumulative characteristics that are important to me like cleverness, creativity, motivation, discipline, mental agility, and independence. All of which are can be effectively addressed with a conversation that starts with "what do you do for a living?"
 

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The equality I'm talking about is a match in the cumulative areas of characteristics that are important to me like cleverness, creativity, motivation, discipline, mental agility, and independence. All of which are can be effectively addressed with a conversation that starts with "what do you do for a living?"
As if an individual cant lie. Some of those traits can be used against you. Factoids don't deliver a picture, rather facets you would have to combine in a synergistic way. Interaction is the only solution and you aren't even close if you don't even know where someone works yet. I get the flow of conversation, but there is a saying that is relevant to this "it takes a punk to think like a punk". Its all in the data. You have to know more about the person before the importance of employment should enter into conversation. The stories I could tell you.
 

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I think when guys are trying to hit on you, they usually start with fluff comments like complimenting your body parts or your smile or something...
Noo, that's the first thing you learn not to do.

There are two downsides:

1. You are explicitly defining her as attractive, and thereby valuable. This is a turn off. Even if you are attractive enough, this will signal something "off" in your psychology. A lack of grace and manners perhaps, implying low social mobility and power. Unless one really grinds the ability to spot women who are hot and yet don't know it (a rare category), this approach is likely to end up seeming like a drooling dog.

2. It's much more boring and predictable than striking up a real conversation.

It just so happens that i began doubting points 1 and 2 during writing this post but i figure it's more fun to post it anyway than not.
 

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@Bronto,

Treat them like dirt they stick like mud.
 

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I didn't think you cared. I highlighted it because it echoes what I said. I'm a narcissist remember.
oh darling, how could I not care about the center of the universe?

I don't need your approval. Take that with a grain of salt I don't mean it as anything other than truth. its not a personal attack.
Who said it was a personal attack? I highlighted it because it highlights that you're apparently a narcissist... which I don't mean as an attack, but simply a description of your behavior where you seem to not respond to what's said but simply use it as a springboard to bring it all back to you. You certainly don't need my permission to do that, but it doesn't make for much of a conversation.
 

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oh darling, how could I not care about the center of the universe?

Who said it was a personal attack? I highlighted it because it highlights that you're apparently a narcissist... which I don't mean as an attack, but simply a description of your behavior where you seem to not respond to what's said but simply use it as a springboard to bring it all back to you. You certainly don't need my permission to do that, but it doesn't make for much of a conversation.
Ok you are mistaking that everyone is the center of their universe with me talking about myself to bring out understanding of a similar situation. i know im a narcassist, really most people are, they just dont have the sack to let it out. Am i rude? Sometimes, but people dont walk around in oblivian when im around. Please accept my appologies for both knowing that i do it and continuing to do it. What i wont do is apologize for not knowing how to do it any differenly or preferably not at all.



You are so ready to defend yourself i cant help but say things that offend you. I appologize for this, as i have dealt with this my whole life. I just meant that when i say something about generalities and someone happens to fall into a genetality it is not a personal attack.


Of course i could be soooo totally confused about everything that i am just a dipshit.
 

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There are prolly many different dating types. Predatory... like most of you are referring to and opportunistic, like I mostly do, and any variation in between, I suppose. This is why I said I don't hit on chicks... enough chicks hit on me that I can be choosy about who I do sleep with. Most women are opportunistic. its hard to get two opportunistic people together because neither will make the first move. I can be predatory in nature and make the first move but its usually evolutionary in nature.
 

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Ok you are mistaking that everyone is the center of their universe with me talking about myself to bring out understanding of a similar situation. i know im a narcassist, really most people are, they just dont have the sack to let it out. Am i rude? Sometimes, but people dont walk around in oblivian when im around. Please accept my appologies for both knowing that i do it and continuing to do it. What i wont do is apologize for not knowing how to do it any differenly or preferably not at all.



You are so ready to defend yourself i cant help but say things that offend you. I appologize for this, as i have dealt with this my whole life. I just meant that when i say something about generalities and someone happens to fall into a genetality it is not a personal attack.


Of course i could be soooo totally confused about everything that i am just a dipshit.
Honestly, you haven't offended me, but I'm now getting annoyed that you keep ascribing shit to me I haven't said nor emotions I was feeling.

I think you talk too much and get yourself in trouble. Just hang eeeeeeeeeasy.....

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the other night i was in a fight with my father, who looked a bit like a latina woman when i realized that his anger could be tamed, if i were to consider his needs from an empathic point of view, so I fucked him in the ass, while i blew his sissy cock and licked his balls.

#nohomo :facepalm:
well... that was unexpected imagery.
 

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Honestly, you haven't offended me, but I'm now getting annoyed that you keep ascribing shit to me I haven't said nor emotions I was feeling.
OK, offended was not the correct term.

This is where I was saying that you are taking it personally (as an attack, attack is also a strong word for sure). When I'm quoting what you are saying I am not trying to assume anything about you, least of all your feelings or thoughts.

Think of actions as potentials, calculable potentials., like pointing a gun at a target and pulling the trigger. There are so many variables involved in the out come of the action that in order to accurately predict the out come you have to deconstruct all the proceeding data, which is impossible due to the laws of thermodynamics. So the best we can hope for is an approximate determination of an end result. If every action has a predictable but inaccurate out come due to the uncertainty principle, how can anything be determined with 100% certainty?


Which, who ever split this off of the original thread made an incorrect approximate determination about the end result of this conversation. Thus far the topic is totally related to abstaining from masturbation, however, my determination on the reasoning behind the thread split could be wrong as well. The idea behind it is simple supply and demand.
 

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seriously you had to put my dream into the split?


>well... that was unexpected imagery.

i make an effort to entertain you guys

(but it's embarrassing to have it at the top of a thread)
 

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can relate to op. scarily similar dreams :cat:
 

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You know, reading about Nanook's dream, I'm reminded of how unaware I am sometimes about my own fortune. I have had the blessed fortune to have never had a sex dream involving my parents.

I will now digress to share one of Dr. Seuss's most sage quotes:
It's a troublesome world.
All the people who're in it
are troubled by troubles
almost every minute.

We ought to be thankful,
a whole heaping lot,
for the places and people
we're lucky we're not.
 

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Excellent post Yellow.
 

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oh yeah, those sexual dreams that come with abstinence! all night long.

the other night i was in a fight with my father, who looked a bit like a latina woman when i realized that his anger could be tamed, if i were to consider his needs from an empathic point of view, so I fucked him in the ass, while i blew his sissy cock and licked his balls.

#nohomo :facepalm:
Is this what triumph over the Oedipus complex looks like? :ahh:

I think I'll stick with killing the bastard.
 

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I've killed him in 1001 Dreams. This dream felt like a transformative success. :smoker:

ps: anyone who interprets physical child abuse into this dream has it wrong. i've already spelt out what this is about. surviving narcissism (comes with choleric anger). you can either fight and die or surrender and loose yourself. that's all. the rest is symbolism. my hypersexualized brain (due to hormones, due to absence of masturbation) uses sex as a medium for the subject.

i guess on a certain level it's healthy to become conscious of how loosing yourself was a choice you made. even though you had little choice. because it puts you into the position where you can change the choice. about how you relate to the other narcissists out there. Killing him happens after loosing yourself, like a mere revenge for doing so. Get's you killed as well.
 

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This thread has been an interesting read.

First off, if a girl asks you what you do for work early off enough in conversation. say good bye and good riddance. I generally have sex with 10 partners a year give or take several. I find that I get laid more when I'm broke, I have more time to make myself available.
I agree to an extent. Perhaps the initial question of what you do for a living is not the point to turn away from the conversation, but rather the follow up question is more crucial - i.e. what is her (/his) underlying intention in asking you about what you do for a living? I personally think intentions are usually good and that its a way of starting a dialogue, but the question is usually framed poorly. I prefer to ask something more vague, along the lines of "What do you do with your time?" or the even more vague "What's your story?". Does anyone else approach this differently?

I doubt I go more than 10 seconds before asking this question. It's because most people (especially men in Western society) are what they do, at least some degree. Regardless, the immediate answer is far less important than the subsequent conversation, which allows for a quick inventory of our potential for compatibility in the areas of education, world-view, and ambition.
I think this is partially true. The reason being that I am generally more intrigued by how people spend their time when they're not working, which for the majority of the working population is the justification for working in the first place.

Thoughts?

I used to ask people about their jobs because that's like in the top 5 in terms of small talk topics. But after I fell out of it myself and realized how bad feels it can be being asked, I stopped and I only ask if I'm fairly certain the person is doing something and I run out of small talk. I never really particularly cared about what people do, though, and I have pursued people without a job and without a college degree.
Oh so true. It's not easy to paint yourself in a positive light when you're out of work. Often, there is nothing wrong with being unemployed. Sometimes people need a break or whatever. I've done it, and I can say dating gets a little more difficult, just because of this damn question...
As I said, the answer isn't as important as the conversation that follows. If someone said, "I weld together metal sculptures from the back of my RV, which is conveniently parked on some dude's junkyard", I'd be interested, and I would steer the conversation toward their motivation. I'd rather spend time with a person who has a passion for life, than a middle-management code-monkey with steady income.

The simple question of how you spend your waking hours -- what you do with your life -- is anything but trivial. Most people need to earn money to live independently, and such earnings occupy a great deal of an adult's life. It follows, then, that "what do you do for a living?" is a very efficient opening/early question when getting to know a person.

The equality I'm talking about is a match in the cumulative characteristics that are important to me like cleverness, creativity, motivation, discipline, mental agility, and independence. All of which are can be effectively addressed with a conversation that starts with "what do you do for a living?"
Once again, I agree to an extent, but would rather phrase the question differently to eliminate money (i.e. "a living") from the equation.
Noo, that's the first thing you learn not to do.

There are two downsides:

1. You are explicitly defining her as attractive, and thereby valuable. This is a turn off. Even if you are attractive enough, this will signal something "off" in your psychology. A lack of grace and manners perhaps, implying low social mobility and power. Unless one really grinds the ability to spot women who are hot and yet don't know it (a rare category), this approach is likely to end up seeming like a drooling dog.

2. It's much more boring and predictable than striking up a real conversation.

It just so happens that i began doubting points 1 and 2 during writing this post but i figure it's more fun to post it anyway than not.
I think your points are very valid. I personally deliver compliments very scarcely. I feel that to compliment someone when hitting on them is to do what is obvious and expected. I see it as a somewhat aggressive move, and would prefer to lure a potential partner with intrigue, rather than feed their ego. If I do wish to compliment someone, I generally lure them into it, rather than explicitly bring it up.

To use an analogy, I see the act of complimenting a potential partner akin to an army focusing all their energy on hitting their opponent head on, when a more appropriate response would be to lure them away from safe terrain and flank them.
 

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I think this is partially true. The reason being that I am generally more intrigued by how people spend their time when they're not working, which for the majority of the working population is the justification for working in the first place.
meh, the conversation quickly moves to that. As a woman, asking a guy how he spends his time when he's not at work, especially without a work context, seems like something that could be mistaken for an overt sexual advance.
 

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meh, the conversation quickly moves to that. As a woman, asking a guy how he spends his time when he's not at work, especially without a work context, seems like something that could be mistaken for an overt sexual advance.
As a guy, if a woman asked me what I do when I'm not at work, I wouldn't even consider it a sexual advance.

But then again, I'm shit at recognising sexual advances.
 

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As a guy, if a woman asked me what I do when I'm not at work, I wouldn't even consider it a sexual advance.

But then again, I'm shit at recognising sexual advances.
I think that a pairing of NTPs is unlikely in the wild. It seems that we need the other person to be good at flirting and picking up signals.
 

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I guess I must be a tad socially isolated, because I consider the gesture of approaching and talking to me a compliment in itself. That said, I don't assume it comes from romantic interest. If I were given a compliment on my appearance, I'd be more likely to think "huh, what a peculiar way to start a conversation" rather than "hey, he got the hots for me".

I should probably quote something to give this more context
 

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I think that a pairing of NTPs is unlikely in the wild. It seems that we need the other person to be good at flirting and picking up signals.
"...And now we watch from a safe distance as the male INTP absently pushes his bent wire-frame glasses back up his nose, stumbling through the grass hacking mods for his favorite video game. he remains almost completely unaware of the female INTP who sits innocuously nearby on a stack of astronomy and philosophy books while watching subtitled arthouse movies on her iPad.

From either obliviousness or a small subtle antisocial streak, the female sticks out the tip of her Chuck Taylor's. The male stumbles, almost dropping his smartphone and spilling his gaming dice into the grass. The two launch into an awkward exchange regarding the substance of one of the female's books, based on the title visible on the spine. A fight almost occurs over whether the male has committed an ad hominem or whether the female is using that argument as a straw man. After a momentary pause, the male expresses actual interest by initiating conversation about his favorite scientific invention and why he believes Galileo was a mere showman compared to Newton, but the female remains clueless to his romantic inclinations and returns to her movie.

The encounter ends without any amorous event occurring, although later it is probable the male will be overtaken by one of the more plentiful ESFx creatures roaming the jungle and thus pass his chromosomes to the next generation before he even knows what has hit him. The female's fate is more dismal, in light of her typically dull or eccentric plumage, but at least she will be left more or less to her own comfortable devices."


 

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The female's fate is more dismal, in light of her typically dull or eccentric plumage, but at least she will be left more or less to her own comfortable devices."
Dismal?! You mean "her fate is the best possible outcome... " :D
 
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