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You are either male (XY) or female (XX). Everything else is a mental illness. This does not mean that you can't be a feminine male or a masculine female.
Just because they are mentally ill doesn't mean they should be treated poorly. At the same time I don't think people should be celebrating mental illness as a lifestyle. The main reason being is that mental illness leads to a poorer quality life which in turn results in additional mental illnesses. They people need help from qualified mental health professionals whom don't facilitate the mental illness.
This basically sums it up as far as I am concerned, except for the part in bold. Gender dysphoria likely has biological roots so it's incorrect to label it a mental illness (Causes of transsexualism). Same goes for homosexuality.

The underlined part is a major concern. While homosexuality is not a mental illness by any stretch, I'm still alarmed that being gay in some places is seen as being hip/progressive. It's not any "cooler" than being straight. I don't like it when anyone flaunts their sexuality, no matter what it is. The movement, like feminism, has gone too far. Gay pride parades are offensive and should not be celebrated. Events are frequently almost pornographic in nature. Lewd conduct in public should never be acceptable under any circumstances. It's just ugly and crass.

As for the OP, it's kind of a ridiculous thread topic. You are either comfortable with your birth gender or you're not. Everything basically comes down to hormones and genes. Tamper with either of those and you get masculinized men and effeminate women. It's easy to see this has been happening in the US and other countries as well. Labeling various individual personality characteristics as either "masculine" or "feminine" is just flawed and increases confusion. For the sake of clarity, it's simpler and more accurate to conduct studies about what men and women universally find sexually attractive across cultures. Then you can get a clearer picture of the underlying biology that is at work. Once we have that, culture will absorb those findings and social norms will change accordingly to more accurately reflect what human beings actually want and need.

Slight tangent:

Obesity alters hormone levels, yet there's very little recognition of that, and what changes that might be causing in children and adolescents. In fact, from my perspective, it seems like in America being fat is no big deal because 70% of the country is overweight. Obesity should be condemned. Fat people are a threat to the planet. Here's why: They increase global warming by 1) consuming higher levels of animal products, 2) lowering the fuel efficiency of all transportation vehicles, from airplanes to boats to cars/trucks and trains, 3) increasing power consumption from demanding more air conditioning wherever they go because they have a thick insulating layer of adipose tissue that would make them more suited to living in polar climates. In addition, they increase healthcare costs, use up more healthcare services/products, consume more water, and take up more room on public transportation. Last but not least, they look much less attractive than they would be if they lost the excess weight.

Low self-esteem is more likely to lead to behavior change than positive thinking, and fatties should not try to prop themselves up with "feel-good" mantras.
 

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I fail to see what a physical condition have to do with a mental one. Handicapped would be more accurate then insane. And to straighten out your bones, you go to the doctor and not the asylum. If the brain is female, or male, or anything in between you are on solid ground. Only if it is alien the alarm bells should be rung.

Interesting sidenote: Eunuchs have longer life expectancy. Up to 15-20 years of extra life.
 

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The underlined part is a major concern. It's become cool/hip in many places to be gay. The movement, like feminism, has gone too far. Homosexuality is neither better nor worse than being straight. Gay pride parades are offensive and should not be celebrated. Events are frequently almost pornographic in nature. Lewd conduct in public should never be acceptable under any circumstances. It's just ugly and crass.

As for the OP, it's kind of a ridiculous thread topic. You are either comfortable with your birth gender or you're not. Everything basically comes down to hormones and genes. Tamper with either of those and you get masculinized men and effeminate women. It's easy to see this has been happening in the US and other countries as well. Labeling various individual personality characteristics as either "masculine" or "feminine" is just flawed and increases confusion. For the sake of clarity, it's simpler and more accurate to conduct studies about what men and women universally find sexually attractive across cultures. Then you can get a clearer picture of the underlying biology that is at work. Once we have that, culture will absorb those findings and social norms will change accordingly to more accurately reflect what human beings actually want and need.

Slight tangent:

Obesity alters hormone levels, yet there's very little recognition of that, and what changes that might be causing in children and adolescents. In fact, from my perspective, it seems like in America being fat is no big deal because 70% of the country is overweight. Obesity should be condemned. Fat people are a threat to the planet. Here's why: They increase global warming by 1) consuming higher levels of animal products, 2) lowering the fuel efficiency of all transportation vehicles, from airplanes to boats to cars/trucks and trains, 3) increasing power consumption from demanding more air conditioning wherever they go because they have a thick insulating layer of adipose tissue that would make them more suited to living in polar climates. In addition, they increase healthcare costs, use up more healthcare services/products, consume more water, and take up more room on public transportation. Last but not least, they look much less attractive than they would be if they lost the excess weight.

Low self-esteem is more likely to lead to behavior change than positive thinking, and fatties should not try to prop themselves up with "feel-good" mantras.

For pride parades, eh let em have some fun and celebrate it doesn't really affect me and I am a total liberalist for anything that doesn't directly affect me. Don't like em? Just ignore em. I feel the same way about lewd conduct in public.

I also disagree that sexual orientation is a defining characteristic about gender identity, particularly since homosexuality does exist therefore it becomes even less so.

Feminity and masculinity are just labels for personality traits, the fault is treating them as more than that. As Jenny said both males and females start of biologically similar the labels only impose cultural expectations (which I am against). I mostly agree with you here except I think the labels should be straight up ignored/abolished at this point as I don't see them getting culturally assimilated to a purely biological standard.

Feeling yourself male/female on the other hand is just psychological trickery to make yourself more comfortable, me for example I bundle up some of my personality traits in a female/male persona but those are just representations of various traits that I have. A more common use is probably seeing one's personality traits being culturally considered "feminine" and therefore making the leap of believing once own persona would be better represented as "female".(Which is entirely the fault of these labels). Unfortunately in today's society a male/female label represents more than just biology but also cultural expectations.

Actually Swedens gender neutrality fad is one of the few I highly support in today's politically correct madness(you just have to steer clear of thinking that this has to represent homosexuality instead of gender neutrality, I am unsure how much success there is in regards to this).

Your last paragraph reminds me of the people from /r/fatpeoplehate before that sub was banned, now that was an amusing sub. (I see hate as pointless and stupid, I haven't been angry for years and now I just find other people's anger amusing). Not that I disagree with you on obesity, fat acceptance and believing obesity is in anyway good is just stupid, not to mention utterly delusional(being delusional is the worst trait as far as I am concerned).
 
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Oh look! It's inquisitor, the local prude!! :)
 

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People characterizing Inquisitor's alternative opinion as hateful, and making fun of him for being a "prude," is exactly what neoreactionaries mean when they describe leftism as an ascendant arbiter of heresy.

And this is coming from a long-time supporter of LGBT freedom.
 

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Just to point out, I said he reminded me of the people there (mostly since his last paragraph is similar to what was posted there), not that he was hateful(I can't determine that one way or another). Labeling him as prude is based on the evidence an accurate statement.
 

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I think popular opinion of the given demographic made it laughable, you are allowed to be prudish but that doesn't mean I won't laugh at and ignore that opinion as redundant. If you have more arguments beyond "it's my opinion" I am willing to dissect them as well, but that was not provided and you can't argue with "because I think so".
 

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Your last paragraph reminds me of the people from /r/fatpeoplehate before that sub was banned, now that was an amusing sub. (I see hate as pointless and stupid, I haven't been angry for years and now I just find other people's anger amusing). Not that I disagree with you on obesity, fat acceptance and believing obesity is in anyway good is just stupid, not to mention utterly delusional(being delusional is the worst trait as far as I am concerned).
Interesting about Sweden. I love the women. Hate to say it (actually I don't mind saying this at all!) but the stereotype about them being these hot bikini models rings true in my experience. :) At least the young ones. There's the added bonus that they're not all blondes. Darker hair is more my thing. I've only been to Stockholm for a few days, but from what I saw (even in the middle of winter when everyone was covered up) they're way more attractive than Americans. Also healthier and better-dressed. I don't even mind saying the same thing about Swedish men although I'm totally straight. The dudes I saw were all tall, trim, had chiseled features, etc.

About fat people...I think we should be outraged. Think of all the animals that are sacrificed every year just so some fatty can add on a couple extra pounds. Meat should only be consumed if necessary. People thrive on starch-based diets with vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts. So if 70% of the country is overweight, that automatically implies that at least 70% of all farmed animals are needlessly slaughtered. I personally think that number is closer to 95%, but that's debatable. Some people still do require meat on a regular basis. Think of all of that pain and suffering. Think of all that killing. The number of farmed animals is at least 10.3 billion and the number of aquatic animals is 53 billion. Those numbers are for the US alone. Every fatty essentially represents a walking genocide. Outrage is really an understatement.

*giggles*

isn't it ironic that "prude" rhymes with "lewd"?! :)
*yawns*

Oh look! It's inquisitor, the local prude!! :)
Oh yeah right I'm a prude for thinking some of these people ought to be locked up. The litmus test is would this kind of behavior be tolerated among straight people? The answer is no. So why is it suddenly tolerated because you're part of a pride parade? If a woman walks around in public with her breasts on display, she will be arrested. Same goes for guys who wear crotchless pants. Gay people who do this just lower themselves. They end up looking like animals.

i found your post offensive, it should be deleted.
No surprise there.
 

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Oh yeah right I'm a prude for thinking some of these
That's awesome, all prudish laws need to be abolished so everyone (female and male) can walk around like that all the time :) ah, I really dislike pruddishess, being able to dress like that all the time would be a thrill.:D
 

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That's awesome, all prudish laws need to be abolished so everyone (female and male) can walk around like that all the time :) ah, I really dislike pruddishess, being able to dress like that all the time would be a thrill.:D
I edited my previous post.

LOL. You want to dress like that during a Swedish winter?! When you reach your next life, call me and tell me how that worked out for you.
 

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I edited my previous post.

LOL. You want to dress like that during a Swedish winter?! When you reach your next life, call me and tell me how that worked out for you.
I often keep my window entirely open during the winter months resulting in my room getting really cold, I like the cold. And the summer is fairly warm in Sweden. (Anything above 20 is warm and above 25 is a heatwave as far as I am concerned)

Besides many of those pictures were hot (I actually can get turned on by hot hunks...:mad: but only if I pretend to be female... stupid mind.)
 

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People characterizing Inquisitor's alternative opinion as hateful, and making fun of him for being a "prude," is exactly what neoreactionaries mean when they describe leftism as an ascendant arbiter of heresy.

And this is coming from a long-time supporter of LGBT freedom.
yeah they're being quite prude in a more sociologically relevant sense, bolstering intolerance of observations, ideas and practices deemed as morally "inappropriate". the authority of gospel has migrated from sexual chastity to sexual liberation, but the structure and function are similar. past prudes judged "perverts", but now those who judge "prudes" have inherited that position.

all Inquisitor's really saying, as far as i can tell beneath the clearly aged demeanor* is that the pride parade campaign runs the risk of conflating LGBT with a mindlessly hedonistic and superficial party culture, providing a strong alibi for the perpetuation of their status as "other" less dignified creatures. dehumanization doesn't need intention in order to happen.

*sorry, but your writing is blatantly coded with the worldview of a middle-aged guy and the specific attitudes of the past cultural conditions during which your youth took place, which is the cause for a lot of the trouble you experience on this forum.
 

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No surprise there.
good. i had thought that the fact that censuring and prohibiting others' behaviour on the basis of any offence it causes is the first step on the road to dystopian totalitarian hellscape might be a surprise to you.
 

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About fat people...I think we should be outraged. Think of all the animals that are sacrificed every year just so some fatty can add on a couple extra pounds. Meat should only be consumed if necessary. People thrive on starch-based diets with vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts. So if 70% of the country is overweight, that automatically implies that at least 70% of all farmed animals are needlessly slaughtered. I personally think that number is closer to 95%, but that's debatable. Some people still do require meat on a regular basis. Think of all of that pain and suffering. Think of all that killing. The number of farmed animals is at least 10.3 billion and the number of aquatic animals is 53 billion. Those numbers are for the US alone. Every fatty essentially represents a walking genocide. Outrage is really an understatement.
I actually don't care for any of those arguments, I barely summon any sympathy for people I feel connected to, animals in some far away farm get none.

What annoys me about fat acceptance is the delusional thinking that it isn't unhealthy or unappealing. If you realize that and still decide to be obese go right ahead as far as I am concerned, it's your life not mine.

Edit: removed half a paragraph as irrelevant.
 

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good. i had thought that the fact that censuring and prohibiting others' behaviour on the basis of any offence it causes is the first step on the road to dystopian totalitarian hellscape might be a surprise to you.
i don't think you should assume that anyone who criticizes or complains about anything wants a ban on it.
 

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All Inquisitor's really saying, as far as i can tell beneath the clearly aged demeanor* is that the pride parade campaign runs the risk of conflating LGBT with a mindlessly hedonistic and superficial party culture, providing a strong alibi for the perpetuation of their status as "other" less dignified creatures. dehumanization doesn't need intention in order to happen.

*sorry, but your writing is blatantly coded with the worldview of a middle-aged guy and the specific attitudes of the past cultural conditions during which your youth took place, which is the cause for a lot of the trouble you experience on this forum.
True written like that without the aged demeanor I would just have disagreed with it instead of laughed at and disagreed with it. But the way he wrote it hits to close to home with a demographic whose behaviour I find old-fashioned, ignorant and close-minded removing most of the legitimacy from the argument as far as I am concerned.
 

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i don't think you should assume that anyone who criticizes or complains about anything wants a ban on it.
i'm not assuming anything, merely trying to convey the threat i perceive in statements like "Gay pride parades are offensive and should not be celebrated.".

feel the force of the vitriol in inquisitor's posts and extrapolate societal consequences. it's not like it has never happened before.
 

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Oh yeah right I'm a prude for thinking some of these people ought to be locked up. The litmus test is would this kind of behavior be tolerated among straight people? The answer is no. So why is it suddenly tolerated because you're part of a pride parade? If a woman walks around in public with her breasts on display, she will be arrested. Same goes for guys who wear crotchless pants. Gay people who do this just lower themselves. They end up looking like animals.
What planet do you live on?

This is not a gay parade. And they do not get arrested.
 

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i'm not assuming anything, merely trying to convey the threat i perceive in statements like "Gay pride parades are offensive and should not be celebrated.".

feel the force of the vitriol in inquisitor's posts and extrapolate societal consequences. it's not like it has never happened before.
Lewd behavior and public displays of nudity are where I draw the line. If gay people want to dress in colorful outfits, march around and play music all day, that's fine by me as long as they follow the same laws as everyone else. Legally, a lot of what goes on at these parades is actually a violation. The only reason law enforcement does not arrest the lot of them is because there are too many, and public opinion would likely fall on the side of the paraders and not the cops in the event of a crackdown (legally sanctioned or not).

Besides that, you seem easily offended by what I have to say in general, so that's why I said it wasn't a surprise.

Well, the dualistic view I posted was not my view of what all transgender people believe, but the view of people I knew personally. Yes, I think spiritual explanations for transgenderism is illogical and a break from reality, but not in a literal, medical sense.

What is gender identity anyways. I know that I identify as a male internally because my brain "thinks" like a male, but I don't even know what that means. I certainly don't behave like the most masculine men in society, and many of those men probably think I am a little girly man because of my underutilized muscles, lack of overt displays of masculinity, and my tendency to overthink and underact. I just know that my brain is more wired like that of a the average male brain than that of the average female.

This is similar to sexual dimorphism, where our brains may be wired differently, but as with sexual dimorphism there is overlap between the male and female brain. It's possible that a person's brain does not develop to be "wired" the same as those of the same sex as that person. So a male may find himself relating to how females think because of the similarities in brain structures. As a result they may associate with females culturally and in the way of personal identity. I think all of this does imply that gender is more elusive than previously thought.

Yes. My money is on transsexuality being genetic. The limited amount of research on this suggests that their androgen receptors have a different structure, and cerebral cortex has a different architecture, with brain activity being an intermediate state between male and female.

yeah they're being quite prude in a more sociologically relevant sense, bolstering intolerance of observations, ideas and practices deemed as morally "inappropriate". the authority of gospel has migrated from sexual chastity to sexual liberation, but the structure and function are similar. past prudes judged "perverts", but now those who judge "prudes" have inherited that position.

all Inquisitor's really saying, as far as i can tell beneath the clearly aged demeanor* is that the pride parade campaign runs the risk of conflating LGBT with a mindlessly hedonistic and superficial party culture, providing a strong alibi for the perpetuation of their status as "other" less dignified creatures. dehumanization doesn't need intention in order to happen.

*sorry, but your writing is blatantly coded with the worldview of a middle-aged guy and the specific attitudes of the past cultural conditions during which your youth took place, which is the cause for a lot of the trouble you experience on this forum.
Funny. I'm no where near being middle-aged. I'm actually closer to your age. I just have more traditional values (or maybe they're just older). I suspect the trouble I experience on this forum is largely with the women. My previous posts were insulting to them even though I never set out with that goal. I challenge the prevailing
feminist/diversity/redistributionist paradigm that is relentlessly parroted in most major media outlets. I believe it's all for the benefit of people in power. It's not a conspiracy theory either, it's just what powerful people need to do to get votes/stay in power/keep getting richer. Nothing much beyond that.
 

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Funny. I'm no where near being middle-aged. I'm actually closer to your age. I just have more traditional values (or maybe they're just older). I suspect the trouble I experience on this forum is largely with the women. My previous posts were insulting to them even though I never set out with that goal. I challenge the prevailing feminist/diversity/redistributionist paradigm that is relentlessly parroted in most major media outlets.
Well that's a first, I have never been called a feminist before. I really advice you to avoid Swedish politics if you think this forum is feministic. My social opinions are largely liberalist which is a stark contrast to traditional values.
 

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What planet do you live on?

This is not a gay parade. And they do not get arrested.
Cherry-picking. I cited an entire page of google search results on "gay pride parades" and you show me a couple pictures of 1) a carnival in Rio with a guy who appears to be wearing some kind of traditional outfit while wearing what is considered to be normal swimwear in Brazil (speedo) and 2) what look like costumes worn by legitimate performers. Give me a break. It's not at all the same thing. There's no sexuality in either of those. They're not going out of their way to flaunt their breasts or genitals. It's just part of the act/performance. You want to debunk what I'm saying you're gonna have to do better than that. Show me some examples of straight people who do the same in public outside of legally-authorized venues such as strip clubs/circuses, etc.
 

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Show me some examples of straight people who do the same in public outside of legally-authorized venues such as strip clubs/circuses, etc.

these
I am sure there are some straight people having fun among them ;)
 

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Carnival and Mardi Gras are directly comparable to gay pride events, Inquisitor. Both stick it to Saul of Tarsus pretty well.
 
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i don't think you should assume that anyone who criticizes or complains about anything wants a ban on it.
Hmm...are we reading the same posts?
and should not be celebrated
*awaits bronto's reply which would still make me out to be an assumer, and Inquisitor's clearly stated encouragement for control of people's conduct in public(eventhough it neither affects/involves him nor harms anyone) as misunderstood contemplation with the intention of bettering the lgbt community*
 

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i'm not assuming anything, merely trying to convey the threat i perceive in statements like "Gay pride parades are offensive and should not be celebrated.".

feel the force of the vitriol in inquisitor's posts and extrapolate societal consequences. it's not like it has never happened before.
funny, i'd imagine you to be more jaded with people who take the liberty to judge what is rational and should be and what is irrational and shouldn't be. that's what this forum is about.

seems to be the subject that irks you more than anything. which means it's your problem. maybe not a phobia but same principle.
 

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Funny. I'm no where near being middle-aged. I'm actually closer to your age. I just have more traditional values (or maybe they're just older). I suspect the trouble I experience on this forum is largely with the women. My previous posts were insulting to them even though I never set out with that goal. I challenge the prevailing
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well, you still give off such an impression. i'm not sure it's advisable to change your language in order to communicate better. but it's a possibility. and i'm not saying that because you said similar to me before :D promise
 

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well, you still give off such an impression. i'm not sure it's advisable to change your language in order to communicate better. but it's a possibility. and i'm not saying that because you said similar to me before :D promise
Tbh I have seen nothing that suggests that my initial impressions are incorrect. I'll change my mind if I am proven wrong but not until then. (I have both positive and negative impressions of him and his opinions, but I don't want to elaborate this line of reasoning and potentially start personal attacks)
 

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About fat people...I think we should be outraged. Think of all the animals that are sacrificed every year just so some fatty can add on a couple extra pounds. Meat should only be consumed if necessary. People thrive on starch-based diets with vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts. So if 70% of the country is overweight, that automatically implies that at least 70% of all farmed animals are needlessly slaughtered. I personally think that number is closer to 95%, but that's debatable. Some people still do require meat on a regular basis. Think of all of that pain and suffering. Think of all that killing. The number of farmed animals is at least 10.3 billion and the number of aquatic animals is 53 billion. Those numbers are for the US alone. Every fatty essentially represents a walking genocide. Outrage is really an understatement.
I agree that the meat industries are disgusting, and that we can subsist with far less meat, but I'm getting the impression that you believe meat consumption is a leading cause of obesity. I think it's become common knowledge that consumption of protein, and even fat, is not nearly as fattening as the excessive consumption of simple carbohydrates. Since you've lived in the US, you should know that the majority of our obese live in socioeconomic poverty. While they have reasonable access to the cheap fatty meats, Top Ramen, Fruit Loops, Doritos, fluffy white bread, Mountain Dew, and frozen tater tots are far cheaper. Just like the cheap go-tos: McDonalds, Tacobell, and Subway (they lure people in with the promise of meat, but their carb-count is insane). Of course, the sodium packed into those foods can be just as deadly.

Yes, the US, Luxembourg, Australia, and New Zealand, eat a LOT of meat. Closely followed by Argentina, France, Canada, Denmark, Kuwait, and Austria. Five out of the ten countries among them have reasonably low obesity rates.
 

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I keep forgetting McDonalds is relatively cheap in the US in Sweden it's comparatively expensive.

Read up a little, found out that McDonalds meals in the US have bigger portions also while they aren't a lot cheaper than here, healthier foods are more affordable here(as well as the culture to eat those).

Funny thing it seems that a few decades ago people started complaining that meals were too big in Sweden so McDonald's started giving smaller portions as appeasement.

Can you imagine people in the US complaining their portions are too big? XD
 

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It is a pity that the young demean the wisdom of the old as though it is nothing more than a superstition or a phobia. As we peer into the minds of the old, we see deeper and deeper into our own collective unconscious, something whose tumult resulted in the mental platforms upon which we stand today. We must bear this load until we have fully measured it.
 

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Funny thing it seems that a few decades ago people started complaining that meals were too big in Sweden so McDonald's started giving smaller portions as appeasement.

Can you imagine people in the US complaining their portions are too big? XD
That did happen here, actually. They're just now starting to creep up in the portion sizes again. But still, you can feed 4 people for $5. Well, 4 people who are willing to eat double cheeseburgers.
It is a pity that the young demean the wisdom of the old as though it is nothing more than a superstition or a phobia. As we peer into the minds of the old, we see deeper and deeper into our own collective unconscious, something whose tumult resulted in the mental platforms upon which we stand today. We must bear this load until we have fully measured it.
I agree in part, but age does not necessarily equate to wisdom. When the context changes, traditions often cease to make sense.
 

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It is a pity that the young demean the wisdom of the old as though it is nothing more than a superstition or a phobia. As we peer into the minds of the old, we see deeper and deeper into our own collective unconscious, something whose tumult resulted in the mental platforms upon which we stand today. We must bear this load until we have fully measured it.
Background doesn't matter, only what arguments and reasoning they bring. Faulty reasoning from an elderly is still faulty, their age doesn't change that.
 

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Take Justice Anthony Kennedy for example. In the marriage case, he built upon solid precedent that necessitated the provision of marriage licenses to same-sex couples as a constitutional matter. It was impressive how he treated the past with a seriousness that granted the historical moment a corresponding seriousness. Reading his opinion is better than reading any opinion by a petulant leftist. It was remarkable the humility and empathy he displayed in his writing. He made sure all of his bases were covered. We are all fully human under law now. I can feel it.
 

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I am not saying never listen to elderly, I am saying don't listen to elderly just because they are old, listen to them if they have sound reasoning behind their advice. What Kennedy seems to have done is use sound reasoning developed in the past because it was sound reasoning, which I have nothing against.
 

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Hmm...are we reading the same posts?

*awaits bronto's reply which would still make me out to be an assumer, and Inquisitor's clearly stated encouragement for control of people's conduct in public(eventhough it neither affects/involves him nor harms anyone) as misunderstood contemplation with the intention of bettering the lgbt community*
to say that something x shouldn't be done is different from saying that something y (threat of violence from state monopoly) should be done so that x doesn't get done.

i can say that i don't think it's a good idea to take 1000 blotters of acid. still i'm not a prohibitionist.

i can say that if the purpose is emancipation of LGBT, making a campaign that perpetuates conflation of LGBT with something that has barbarian connotations isn't a good idea. i happen to agree with the purpose so i don't think it's a good idea. it shouldn't be done.

this is all hypothetical anyway. point being the distinction itself.
 

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I agree that the meat industries are disgusting, and that we can subsist with far less meat, but I'm getting the impression that you believe meat consumption is a leading cause of obesity. I think it's become common knowledge that consumption of protein, and even fat, is not nearly as fattening as the excessive consumption of simple carbohydrates. Since you've lived in the US, you should know that the majority of our obese live in socioeconomic poverty. While they have reasonable access to the cheap fatty meats, Top Ramen, Fruit Loops, Doritos, fluffy white bread, Mountain Dew, and frozen tater tots are far cheaper. Just like the cheap go-tos: McDonalds, Tacobell, and Subway (they lure people in with the promise of meat, but their carb-count is insane). Of course, the sodium packed into those foods can be just as deadly.

Yes, the US, Luxembourg, Australia, and New Zealand, eat a LOT of meat. Closely followed by Argentina, France, Canada, Denmark, Kuwait, and Austria. Five out of the ten countries among them have reasonably low obesity rates.
Yes simple carbs as found in snack food, soda, cereals, candy bars etc are one of the leading causes of obesity. You're gonna have a difficult time arguing that meat has nothing to do with it though. The US still (apparently) has the highest per capita meat consumption in the world. That chart does not even include dairy products or fish, so the number is actually much higher in terms of total animal products. My point was simply that in the absence of necessity, it's fundamentally unethical to eat meat because it entails killing another sentient being. Hope you're not part of the paleo crowd...
 

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Cherry-picking. I cited an entire page of google search results on "gay pride parades" and you show me a couple pictures of 1) a carnival in Rio with a guy who appears to be wearing some kind of traditional outfit while wearing what is considered to be normal swimwear in Brazil (speedo) and 2) what look like costumes worn by legitimate performers. Give me a break. It's not at all the same thing. There's no sexuality in either of those. They're not going out of their way to flaunt their breasts or genitals. It's just part of the act/performance. You want to debunk what I'm saying you're gonna have to do better than that. Show me some examples of straight people who do the same in public outside of legally-authorized venues such as strip clubs/circuses, etc.
All parades are legally sanctioned. They are political statements. In addition, a whole lot of the people going in gay parades are straight people. Last gay parade here I heard the prime minister and a whole bunch of politicians where also parading. No idea if they where nude and flunting their stuff. But they claim to be straight and parading, so there is that. They way I see it. If they enjoy it, why sit at home? Gay means happy. It's not called an homosexual parade. It should be open to all happy people. Perhaps the sour people will be excluded. Don't know. Never seen such a parade, as I live close to the arctic circle parts of the year. I suppose there is temperatures at summer where such outfits would be comfortable. I still use clothing on my head so that my ears don't freeze.
 

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Hmm...are we reading the same posts?

*awaits bronto's reply which would still make me out to be an assumer, and Inquisitor's clearly stated encouragement for control of people's conduct in public(eventhough it neither affects/involves him nor harms anyone) as misunderstood contemplation with the intention of bettering the lgbt community*
tbh I don't give a damn about improving the lgbt community. I understand gay people want equal civil/legal rights, and that's fine by me. Personally, I would never want to be raised by two mothers or two fathers if I had any choice in the matter. I'm very grateful I was brought up in a straight nuclear family with excellent parents. That said, from a legal standpoint, I'm not opposed to letting gay people marry, have children and all the rest.

At the same time, anything that cheapens sex is a definite no for me. That's part of why I'm against feminism. Anyway, it's a moot point because cities have started cracking down somewhat on the pride parades because the events have gotten more mainstream/corporate, and cities want to make everything more family-friendly apparently. Again, my personal preference would be that these parades did not even exist. And that's why I said they shouldn't be celebrated. I don't think it advances the cause very much anyway, but I understand the LGBT community thinks this is an effective way to campaign for greater civil rights. That said, if people want to participate in these, I have no problem with it provided they don't act like bonobos.
 

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It is a pity that the young demean the wisdom of the old as though it is nothing more than a superstition or a phobia. As we peer into the minds of the old, we see deeper and deeper into our own collective unconscious, something whose tumult resulted in the mental platforms upon which we stand today. We must bear this load until we have fully measured it.
What's that in relation to?

I think logic is logic, regardless of age. Different generations might have had different experiences that can be useful in an analysis. Still, some ideas and beliefs are empty or foundless regardless, once examined.

Many problems occur when one's application of knowledge becomes outdated and thus inapplicable to a current or future situation. Wisdom is knowing how to weigh and apply knowledge appropriately to a situation, or to recognize when one's knowledge might have flaws and needs to be reexamined and new knowledge gained. The wisest older people I know seem to be good at taking in new knowledge and reevaluating their own conclusions, so they remain relevant.
 

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Yes simple carbs as found in snack food, soda, cereals, candy bars etc are one of the leading causes of obesity. You're gonna have a difficult time arguing that meat has nothing to do with it though. The US still (apparently) has the highest per capita meat consumption in the world. That chart does not even include dairy products or fish, so the number is actually much higher in terms of total animal products.
No, I agree in general that the more food you eat, the more likely you are to be obese. But I think that if the whole world stopped eating meat and changed nothing else, the US, Mexico, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada , etc. would still produce the majority of the world's big'uns.

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At the same time, anything that cheapens sex is a definite no for me. That's part of why I'm against feminism.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you hold some random definition of feminism other than "movements giving women the equal right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to education, to enter contracts, and to have equal rights within marriage (criminalizing marital rape and battery)."
 
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wud u ratha POWA

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sigaret SIKRET

SIKRET RESIPI

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Who made prudish behavior laughable? The Left.
I agree with you on that one. The progressive mentality of today is socialism-oriented where I live and dissolute behaviour is portrayed by media as progressive or fresh and this reminds me of famous dystopian futures.

Though I don't think people laughing at prudes in this thread are meaning what you think. Inquisitor is attempting to lock up gay parade attendants, so it's more of a ridicule, rather than attack on prudery understood as sensitivity or social decency.

Yo Cog, now it's three helicopters, so we get to form a helipack.
Lazy ditto your thoughts.
 

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Also, I prefer to wear dresses because they are the most convenient way to clothe oneself
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I'm not entirely sure about the public thing. (haven't made up my mind yet) Sure people perhaps should be less prude but at the same time people should be allowed to be prude. For example in some cultures over 60% maybe 70% of people qualify for a minority group. So if every minority group is allowed to do what they want in public *cough* including hate groups *cough* I am not sure if I would want to leave the house. I watch enough advertising as it is.

As I said I haven't thought about it but since doing things overtly in public is normally intended to reach and influence others I would prefer it to be a generally neutral place. Not catering to the majority (if such a thing still exists{okay statistically it obviously still exists but you could argue the majority is the minorities}) or the minorities.

No obviously I have no problem with KISSING :eek: in public and personally I don't have any problem with gay pride parades. However either people should be allowed to do whatever they want (that doesn't effect others like murder) or it should be a fairly safe neutral place for as many people as possible.
 

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Though I don't think people laughing at prudes in this thread are meaning what you think. Inquisitor is attempting to lock up gay parade attendants, so it's more of a ridicule, rather than attack on prudery understood as sensitivity or social decency.
While the ones who attack prudery are the ones who get infected with HIV...
 

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I am a doctor.

I am aware that there are genetic abnormalities out there.
Not out there. All this stuff is theory. Producing theories would be redundant if it was the real thing.

Of course one can point and say that that is a male. But it's not. Just ones delusions that have got the better of one.
 
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