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SrengthsFinder2.0

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I was referred to a book called Strengths Finder 2.0, by Tom Rath. Has anyone ever seen, used or read this book. I got it out of curiosity. It's apparently suppose to help you figure out how to sharpen your talents and get into work you'll enjoy. The test is online, but you have to buy the book.
 

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A bit pricey, I found it (might be cheaper where you live). I was asked to do it by a counsellor.

I think there are three main categories of strengths, Thinking, Feeling, and Action (the book won't tell you this, this is what my counsellor told me). If you're an INTP you'll probably have mostly "thinking" strengths, and maybe 1 feeling or action strength.

I had Input, Intellection, Ideation, Deliberative, Connectedness (in that order). 100% thinking (which isn't really that great).

The "personal report" isn't really that personal, it's more an elaboration of your strengths and doesn't show you how they work together (or not) to make you you. It gives you questions like "how will you commit to taking action" etc. but they seemed a little secondary-schoolish (or high-schoolish) to me.

Overall I'd say it's OK but it didn't give me the same "Aha!" factor that I got after I found out I was INTP, probably because I could guess that I'd get all the "slow" thinking strengths anyway. Not really that value for money.
 

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The leadership book looks more interesting to me.
 

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I don't know about what your counselor told you. It was a friend who told me about it. He found it very brilliant, but he's a people person.

My main themes were Restorative, Ideation, Analytical, Intellection, Input.

Basically it means I like to fix or change things, I like to connect ideas and make wholes, I use reasoning and logic, I like to intellectual conversation and am introspective, and I have a "craving to know more" and archive information.

As a matter of fact, I find this more spot on than the MBTI and advanced compared to Jung.
It has the benefit the faulty Big Five did, in that it examines more. Unlike the Big Five, I think this examines more perfectly. If I understood all of the 30 some traits I may be able to use it as a tool.

This is where I find it lacking. It's simply not as easily accessible or useable as Jung's types. Jung's types take into account two major factors. Expressions and Functions. They seem like the bones of any rational type theory. Expressions are whether or not we extrovert or whether or not we're timely and percise. The Functions are an input function and an output function.

Certainly I'm Restorative/Ideation in that once I understand something, in detail and as a whole, once I make the connections, I want to use it. I may even want to change it to suit my tastes better. I've done as much with Jung's types. As a matter of fact I posted that on the INTJ forum. I'm thinking I may post it here.

The nice thing about the StrengthFinder is that it becomes more specific. If I could understand it, analyse it, I could put it to use. Because I find it's characteristics more in depth and unique, I intend to do just that. But I would like to do it faster than I did with MBTI. Meaning I need a lot of examples and then figure out how they connect.

The nice thing about the StrengthFinder is that it gives examples from people with that domanint theme. But the other themes mean something to the main one.

For the time being and for general use, Jung's types remain the most practical. They're a first step to me (that's ironic if you know how MBTI works), I think strength finder could be used in combination as a second or third.


Crab, you might be more extroverted and friendly than you think?
 

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Input, you want to gather information, add to your achieve, you may collect things. Intellecution, You like to think, considering the surrounding themes, you like to think about the information you collect and about new ideas. Your Deliberative side is probably somewhat a consequence of your Major input, Intellection and ideation. Input is higher than ideation, does this mean your caution is realistically based on facts? On the other side there's ideation... I would say you're a tad paranoid.Connectedness sounds like the intuition/feeling of your lot. According to what I'm reading, it implies a sort of ethics and humanity.

Hmm, on your MBTI was your intuition and introversion particularly high? I'm somewhat surprised you wouldn't be a J type.

From what little I understand of this, I would suspect that the first three themes are relevant to our MBTI. How is what I want to know.

There is a thread at StrengthFinders relating to the MBTI. I went through it looking for other results. They have common themes. If the person posting did not put the themes in correct order I did not take count of theirs.


1. Ideation- Idea oriented, excited by new ideas, new angles, enjoys complexities (in an idea/sub form)
2. Deliberative- Introverted, quiet and careful, maybe too serious.
3. Learner- Likes to learn and be involved with learning (the journey). This implies that the person seek experience, expertise and classes in order to learn more.

4. Analytical- The "prove it" factor. Eveything should have a reason and be rational.
5. Command- Must have things correct and push views on others and encourage people to take risks

Deliberative, in this case, is probably linked to ideation and learner. This person seems like a serious learner and curious. They go out of their way to learn things and think of things, yet at the same time, take a catious route and keep to themelves. The Analytical and Command seem like results of the major three again. They are obviously connected. A person who is facinated by learning and ideas is going to want things to be crystal clear and doesn't want bull shit to ruin the experience. Hence Command. The Analytical is easily related to both the careful desire for ideas and the command inferior.

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Strategic
Learner
Achiever
Ideation
Activator

There were two strategic INTPs, but one put that the order was not necessarily right. I did not take that INTPs for that reason.

Strategic actually emplies an INTJ. This is a sorter, someone who shifts through what is worthy and what isn't. Learner is supported by this, the fact that the person actively tried to learn and experience new things. The Achiever theme means that the Strategic Learner must accomplish something of value (everyday), probably personal value. Since it's third I find is suspiciously relative to an INTJ's third function, feeling. Least that is what it reminds me of.
The ideation and activator are inferior. The ideation I already know has to do with a love of new ideas, things that are trivial. Is this a result of Strategic, Learner and Achiever? Not so much. Actually, this strikes me as an implication of what I already thought by time I got to Achiever, this means the major themes are subjectively chosen on what the person finds interesting. Not that they are subjective overall, but have their own mind abou them. This is probably where the J/P preference is determinded with this person. The first three parts almost scream J type.
Activator is an impatiences, a doer sort and a learner sort. I suspect these two inferiors throw off the person's MBTI type. This person obviously wants to make a plan then get things done, at the same time they can handle the unexpected and want to experience and learn. At the end of the day they have to be able to say they did something, even if it wasn't exactly what they expected. May be optimistic. Reminds me of a friend who was probably an ISTP- though in her case she would most definitely have some kind of active theme, while this person doesn't.

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INTJ/INTP- This person claimed to be on the fence.

Restorative
Intellection
Ideation
Input
Adaptability

This person has the desire to fix and change things. Either for a normal purpose or customizable. The intellect part says that this person likes to think and reflect. My guess is that thinking is mostly put towards fixing/changing things and that may be according to ideation. It may be somewhat trivial. The Input is a collector, of knowledge or tangible things. The Adaptability one is in regards to being able to change when need be. However, it says it doesn't necessarily mean that the person doesn't plan. They may plan for the unexpected and thus be ready and willing to deal with it. Ideation and Adaptability are probably where this person becomes and INTP instead of a J. I take it they're probably easy going enough to handle the unexpected, but they know the unexpected might happen. Ultimately, INTJs are also an Idea type. There's nothing to say that this person is particularly well planned out, however.

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There were two unsure about the F/T axis.

INTP/INFP

Ideation
Intellection
Input
Strategic
Belief

Ideation at the very top inplies the person may very well be an INFP. I ideation is curiosities, newness and maybe trivial. With intellect, this person likes to think. They also have Input after the intellection. Meaning they like to "collect". The only theme that offsets INFP is the strategic, in which they sort through ideas and things. What is worthy and what isn't? That could also be subjective, therefore this person would appear to be an INFP. What confuses INFPs about the T/F factor is that they think and that they consider ideas and are philosophical. Belief has to do with values and the fact that it makes an appearance all but convinces me this person is an INFP.

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- Context
- Learner
- Restorative
- Input
- Intellection

Finally, this is the last sample I took. The Context one is kind of funny. It's basically there to explain to this particular person how things have come to be and to help them put the learner part into context- probably. Learner is the desire to learn by whatever means. Maybe everything is a learning experience. I find restorative ironic after Learner. Seeing as restorative is about taking it a part, learning about it, and putting it back together again. Restorative strikes me as a contributor to Learner and Context the desire to understand what is learned. Input as a collection between Intellection and restorative. I would take this to be a very literal collectiveness as well as intellectual. If I went into this person's house I would at least expect to see a huge book shelf or some kind of collectiveness. Maybe a lot of random things. This person's themes actually strike me as someone who could be on the S/N axis and/or the F/T. Although it's kind of strange for a Sensor to be particuarly curious. I guess that throws out the s/n idea. They're probably an INTP, I'm just not sure how they would use Context.

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I'll have to think about this. Maybe it's useable, maybe it's too random...
 
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