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Thinking about the future, help me out?

Rome96

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My last year of high school begins in a few days (shoot me now) and I still haven't decided what I want to do afterwards. The only things I find really interesting are psychology, literature and philosophy. Literature and philosophy are dead-ends really, even though it's interesting to study. After studying psychology for 7 years the pay really isn't that good, unless you become a really successful psychologist, but I don't like leaving things to chance. I've been considering studying medicine as well. Medical doctors are paid really well, even though I'm not very interested in it and the job seems a bit too hectic for me. Psychiatry seems incredibly depressing, so it's not really an option. Sitting in a room and listening to and analyzing a patient seems much more interesting to me. What do you think I should do? I know there are way too many threads like this on here but I felt I should post my own as well. What is your current occupation, how do you feel about it and what would you suggest for me? I know money isn't everything, but it does provide you with freedom over your life, it provides you with opportunities. I don't want to end up miserable because I made the wrong decision in my teen years.

Also, if you have any experience with studying in Britain, I'd be interested to know a little more about what it's like. I was thinking Oxford, although I'm not quite sure how to apply or what they find important. Not even sure Oxford is worth it either, I mean what's wrong with a normal university, it's the same education, is it not?
 

Cognisant

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We can give you all kinds of advice, but no guarantee that it's any good.

Personally I'm fixated on robotics and automation, I see that as the big industry of the immediate future and I want to be a player in it, but hey maybe that's not your sort of thing in which case all I can suggest is that you think outside the box, look for the opportunities other people miss, there's a lot of competition on the proven paths to success and far less for people who are willing to confront the unknown.

Consider the skills you've got, or simply what you enjoy doing or what interests you and then try to monetize it, maybe you could make money writing philosophy that affirms the beliefs of idiots, y'know there's a lot of people out there who want affirmation of their backwards beliefs/values/lifestyles and they'll pay good money, if you don't mind intellectually whoring yourself out for it.
 

Hadoblado

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How do you define really successful in psychology?

How is your ability? If you're considering Oxford I assume it's quite high.

I'm struggling to get my psychology degree together ATM, but I'm terrible at academia. If you have logic, comprehension and creativity, but can augment that with drive and discipline, you are built for success in psychology. Psychology needs NT's. The number of SF's I see in my classes is ridiculous.

From what you've said, if you have the ability to do psychology, it looks like your best choice. The pay grade where I'm from doesn't look too bad either, though I probably have low expectations given my low SES.
 

Rome96

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Not sure about my ability. I usually perform well on standardized tests, though. Scored 80% on our college test in Sweden my first time (didn't prepare), but it was a bad day (I was sick, only slept 3 hours and skipped breakfast) and my Swedish vocabulary is rather limited, since I usually only read English books. I'll (probably) score 90+ on my next test. Which is enough for pretty much any college course. I'm no genius by any means though and if the college test in Britain is a lot more difficult (ours is easy, except for a stupid word section which makes no sense whatsoever) or they require something else when applying to Oxford, I probably won't make the cut. Maybe I should read up more on how to apply before casually mentioning Oxford as one of my university choices.

I define really successful as RI$CH. I would like to be filthy rich so I never have to think about money ever again and be able to obtain anything I want. As a medical doctor that is possible, as a psychologist.. not so much, at least from what I've seen. Psychologist: 10 000$ish per month, Medical Doctor: 30 000$+ per month. Psychology does seem very suitable for an INTP though, a lot of nice and quiet...

How does it look where you're from?
 

Valentas

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My last year of high school begins in a few days (shoot me now) and I still haven't decided what I want to do afterwards. The only things I find really interesting are psychology, literature and philosophy. Literature and philosophy are dead-ends really, even though it's interesting to study. After studying psychology for 7 years the pay really isn't that good, unless you become a really successful psychologist, but I don't like leaving things to chance. I've been considering studying medicine as well. Medical doctors are paid really well, even though I'm not very interested in it and the job seems a bit too hectic for me. Psychiatry seems incredibly depressing, so it's not really an option. Sitting in a room and listening to and analyzing a patient seems much more interesting to me. What do you think I should do? I know there are way too many threads like this on here but I felt I should post my own as well. What is your current occupation, how do you feel about it and what would you suggest for me? I know money isn't everything, but it does provide you with freedom over your life, it provides you with opportunities. I don't want to end up miserable because I made the wrong decision in my teen years.

Also, if you have any experience with studying in Britain, I'd be interested to know a little more about what it's like. I was thinking Oxford, although I'm not quite sure how to apply or what they find important. Not even sure Oxford is worth it either, I mean what's wrong with a normal university, it's the same education, is it not?

Oxford. You will apply through UCAS service at ucas.com

The deadline is October 15th for all applications to Oxbridge and medicine/veterinary courses. All other courses and unis has a deadline of January 15th next year.

When applying, you need to write a personal statement, have recommendations from teachers, predicted grades of exams and your year-11 results. Oxford is a highly competitive place(how do I know? I was rejected this year). The admissions process starts on November if you need to pass entrance tests(such as MAT for sciences or TSA(thinking skills assessment) for others). Then if you scored high enough you will be invited to participate in interview which is mandatory to come. There, you will be asked questions from your Personal statement but they are going to be short intro and then you will go straight to solve problems with professors and admissions people. If you excel their, you are likely to be made offer you must achieve in order to become admitted. The offers are very high( as an example, my country people are required to have straight 10/10 grades and 95/100 from all exams they take from which two are mandatory for admission process). The interview time is hard. You will be asked questions you have no knowledge about(unless you are well ahead of the pack). One guy I met who wanted to study astrophysics said that they fetched a TV set and turned on "Armageddon" and asked the dude to spot mistakes in this movie(wrong facts about astronomy etc) :D Overall, it is designed to see how you think and test your motivation on studying your subject.

The offer rates are low: 1 in 10 people get one.

Now here is my opinion. Oxford is not worth it. The tuition fees are high(if you are international) and the 3 years course is extremely painful due to Tripos. 3X8 weeks of studying. You learn whole year's material in 24 weeks while in other unis you generally spend 30-38 weeks there.

My only advice on finding what you want is to be proactive and go to try many things. If you live in a city, you have no excuse to not attend some seminars, workshops and similar events. Talk with people in a profession you want to get into and decide for yourself.

Also, Britain system is not like US one. There, you can take general classes for two years and then declare major in third year. In the UK, you wrote personal statement for a subject and there is little possibility to transfer UNLESS it is similar course(English Literature/Phylosophy, Chemical engineering/Electrical engineering) You can't transfer from biology to Italian language.

If you are from EU, I encourage you to apply for Scotland unis. There, you pay no tuition fees because Scottish government pays Scotish and EU people bills :D That's EU law lol. In Scotland, you have more flexibility in choosing majors and you can easily switch from Italian to engineering in second year. From there, you must decide what you want.

If you don't decide what you want, take a gap year and explore yourself more. Some people say that you can find yourself in uni, i say bollocks! It is too expensive to go to uni to search for yourself nowadays. You are better off getting a job in a field you want(apprenticeships, internships). In my country, Barclays opened a branch and takes all high school graduates who want to learn programming for 2 year course there. They are paid salary and learn from experts. There many opportunities, just apply where you want and show a desire to learn.

Also, don't take anyone's suggestions on what to study. Just explore what we offer. If you don't like it, don't do it. Nowadays you can make a living from your passion online. You must find what you love. It is mandatory. After that, you must determine to not quit and do anything you can to build your business, it will require courage but everyone can do it. If you want to read true story of how once rich young guy became homeless and rebuilt himself through months of hard work with 40 bucks in his bank account, read "From rats to riches" free pdf online.

So my suggestion is: if you are INTP, try software engineering. Just do it. Don't think "meh, I hate computers" , I hated physics in school, now I really like it because MIT teaching was amazing(online course on my gap year).

Enough rambling.
 

Hadoblado

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Not sure about my ability. I usually perform well on standardized tests, though. Scored 80% on our college test in Sweden my first time (didn't prepare), but it was a bad day (I was sick, only slept 3 hours and skipped breakfast) and my Swedish vocabulary is rather limited, since I usually only read English books. I'll (probably) score 90+ on my next test. Which is enough for pretty much any college course. I'm no genius by any means though and if the college test in Britain is a lot more difficult (ours is easy, except for a stupid word section which makes no sense whatsoever) or they require something else when applying to Oxford, I probably won't make the cut. Maybe I should read up more on how to apply before casually mentioning Oxford as one of my university choices.

I define really successful as RI$CH. I would like to be filthy rich so I never have to think about money ever again and be able to obtain anything I want. As a medical doctor that is possible, as a psychologist.. not so much, at least from what I've seen. Psychologist: 10 000$ish per month, Medical Doctor: 30 000$+ per month. Psychology does seem very suitable for an INTP though, a lot of nice and quiet...

How does it look where you're from?

That looks about right for psychology, I had no idea doctors made that much anywhere.

I can't imagine what you'd possibly want with so much money (and so little time to spend it). For me, 100k a year would represent multiplying my disposable income by about 150. At that point I can afford everything I want. I'd be weighing up whether the greater source of dissatisfaction in my life is the tremendous work load I receive in a job I don't enjoy (from what I heard medical doctoring is bereft of joy for INTP's (mileage may vary)), or the inability to afford superfluous possessions (impractical cars and winter homes). The choice seems obvious from where I stand.
 

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It's not really something that needs to be decided when your 17-18, I'm 20 at the moment and still not quite sure what I wanna do. The colleges in the states require you to take enough gen eds that you could easily go a year maybe a year and a half without actually taking major requirements. If you would like to pick a major, are unsure, but believe you are capable, I'd recommend choosing a difficult major.

This is atleast what I have done with Actuarial Science...I'm not sure I wanna do math for 50 years, but since it's a difficult field, it's a degree that potentional employers from differing fields will still be impressed with. Oh and math hatred in the USA is great for job security.

Also...I think the only doctors making that much are highly specialized, like brain surgeons(10+ years of schooling), I think most make between 100-200 thousand(maybe a bit higher) and their malpractice insurance is expensive AF
 

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Yeah, choose something you like and is challenging for you. As my wise friend once put it this way: "go to university to learn a subject you could not learn on your own". It includes all science careers etc..
 

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I heard the Oxford PPE is the ultimate place for people who do well in school but don't know what to do with their lives.

I've never been to England though. But why just Oxbridge if you are mainly considering the UK? There are other famous unis like LSE (for example). I also hear that Sciences Po in France is not a bad place if language is not an issue. I'm not too sure about other European unis.
 
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