Black Rose
An unbreakable bond
I have problems with Stephan Molyneux trying to prove morality.
His arguments in spoiler
I have a problem with numbers 10. 11. and 12.
10. Enforceability morality can only be personal involving only the individual's actions.
Collective enforcement is called Ethics because it involves more than the individual.
11. Morality is true if the individual follows his own moral code.
Collective ethics is true if the group decides that actions have been taken that go against the collective will.
Truth is the proven behavior that has been deemed right or wrong by the individual or the collective.
12. Even if an action has been proven with evidence the rightness or wrongness of the action has no ultimate grounding by mans law.
To burn this in. Jesus was said to be working for Satan for healing the sick. He broke the law healing on the Sabbath. broke the laws forgiving sins and making the lame to walk. By all evidence, he broke the law. (the story says he got crucified)
His arguments in spoiler
Appendix A: UPB in a Nutshell
Below, please find a summation of the core argument for morality.
Below, please find a summation of the core argument for morality.
- Reality is objective and consistent.
- “Logic” is the set of objective and consistent rules derived from the consistency of reality.
- Those theories that conform to logic are called “valid.”
- Those theories that are confirmed by empirical testing are called “accurate.”
- Those theories that are both valid and accurate are called “true.”
- “Preferences” are required for life, thought, language and debating.
- Debating requires that both parties hold “truth” to be both objective and universally preferable.
- Thus the very act of debating contains an acceptance of universally preferable behaviour (UPB).
- Theories regarding UPB must pass the tests of logical consistency and empirical verification.
- The subset of UPB that examines enforceable behaviour is called “morality.”
- As a subset of UPB, no moral theory can be considered true if it is illogical or unsupported by empirical evidence.
- Moral theories that are supported by logic and evidence are true. All other moral theories are false.
I have a problem with numbers 10. 11. and 12.
10. Enforceability morality can only be personal involving only the individual's actions.
Collective enforcement is called Ethics because it involves more than the individual.
11. Morality is true if the individual follows his own moral code.
Collective ethics is true if the group decides that actions have been taken that go against the collective will.
Truth is the proven behavior that has been deemed right or wrong by the individual or the collective.
12. Even if an action has been proven with evidence the rightness or wrongness of the action has no ultimate grounding by mans law.
To burn this in. Jesus was said to be working for Satan for healing the sick. He broke the law healing on the Sabbath. broke the laws forgiving sins and making the lame to walk. By all evidence, he broke the law. (the story says he got crucified)