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I just got a PM from Thingyman (the originator of the Mafia Championships) telling us we are invited to the Mafia Championships Season 4!!! :D

This is the official invite:

INVITATION TO THE MAFIA CHAMPIONSHIP (SEASON 4)

Hello everyone! :)

I would very much like to invite your community to take part in Season 4 of the Mafia Championship.

The Mafia Championship is an annual online tournament series that pits representatives from various forum Mafia (aka Werewolf) communities against one another as they compete to determine the Internet’s greatest forum Mafia player. Each participating community democratically elects one person to represent them and become their “Champion”.

Season 1 ran in 2013-2014, while Season 2 and Season 3 ran in 2015 and 2016, respectively. As of Season 3, a total of 160 communities have been represented in the Mafia Championship, making it the largest cross-forum event on the Internet.

I hope that all this sounds very exciting to you guys :)

1. Do you accept the invite?

If your community wishes to participate, please confirm your participation to me ASAP to ensure yourselves a spot

If you agree to participate, the deadline for selecting your representative is April 23. If this is too soon for you, just let me know :)

The games will take place on Mafia Universe. If it’s okay, I can link directly to the general discussion thread regarding this topic on Mafia Universe.

Important notes
  • You may decide yourselves how you want to elect your representative, but we highly recommend some sort of democratic process (public nominations followed by a poll usually works out well).
  • In addition to electing a representative, you should also name an alternate who will be asked to step in if the first choice needs to back out.
  • Your representative should be prepared for having to read upwards of 500 posts per 24 hours during the early stages of the game. Additionally, there’s a requirement that each player must make at least 10 posts per Game Day. Only active players should apply/participate. I repeat: Your chosen player needs to be able to promise a good amount of activity on a daily basis.
  • Relevant only to communities that participated last season: Season 3 Finalists are not eligible to play again this season.
2. Season 4 Format

The tournament structure
  • 150 communities will participate, each sending one representative.
  • 10 Qualifying Games will be played consisting of 15 players each. I.e. every representative plays in one Qualifying Game. 1 player will advance directly to the Finale Game from each Qualifying Game. The players themselves vote post-game to determine who is deserving of advancement. I.e. 10 of the 15 finalists will be found this way.
  • A Jury consisting of finalists from Season 3 will along with me discuss and vote to determine a group of 30 wildcard players who will play in 2 Semi Final Wildcard Games. From each of these two games, two players will directly advance to the Finale Game. The last finalist is selected by the Jury
  • The Finale Game is played. Once it has completed, the players vote to determine who shall hold the title of Season 4 Champion.
The setup

MOUNTAINOUS:
12 Vanilla Townies
3 Mafia Goons

We’re going back to basics for Season 4. Each season we’re changing it up, and for this season it’s finally time to play without any power roles or abilities at all. Pure mafia. You have only yourself and your reading/bluffing abilities to count on.

Relevant mechanics info
  • Day start.
  • Deadline Lynch w/ Option for Majority starting Day 2. I.e. when day timer runs out, person with most votes will be lynched. However, day can also be ended early (starting Day 2) if there is ever a majority of votes on one person.
  • If there is a tied lynch, one of the tied players will be randomly lynched.
  • No outside communication. I.e. you may not contact the other players outside of the thread (unless you are Mafia and wish to speak with your teammates).
  • Phase Lengths and Deadlines will be up to the players themselves (I’ll organize them into games with deadlines that suit their preferences).
  • Thread is locked during Night Phases.
3. Season 4 Timeline

There will be 10 Qualifying Games, and your representative plays in just one of these. They will have start dates during the months of May and June. So in other words, as long as your representative can play sometime during that period, they should be good and I’ll make sure they get scheduled into a game that suits their schedule well. I.e. if your rep is busy until June, that isn’t a problem.

Kind regards,
Thingyman

If you want to get in contact with me ASAP, you can find me on Skype (thingyman) or Discord (Thingyman#6075).
Thingyman tells me that we have to make our selection on who we are going to send by 04/23/2017.

Naturally I think we should have a poll to see who we will send, but the decision is ultimately up to the admins of the Games Forum. (I suppose technically I could have just sent myself and not even mentioned this, but what's the fun in that!)
 

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we highly recommend some sort of democratic process
Subversive propaganda masquerading as a contest! Obviously the best way to select the candidates is A FIGHT TO THE DEATH. With SPOONS.

Candidates, line up.
 

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Reporting for duty.
 

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Well, I have the potential to be the best... but I'm a bit reluctant to try for some reason. If you think you'd wanna send me I'll think it over.

I'll just say, that in the second mafia game where you, rb and cheese were mafia... I had written down on a piece of paper pretty much who mafia was after reading the first page of the game. (I divided the game into "ships" with QT, rb, cheese and Sinny on one ship, and the rest on the other, but spaceblog hadn't posted so I wasn't sure).

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But it was a highly energised stage of my life, and I don't know if I could commit again to pull off some superhuman feat.
 

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If rounds are on a 24 hour basis I'm keen, otherwise my timezone tends to precude me from participating.
 

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Wow that's cool. If I wasn't supposed to be doing other stuff I would. We should send Jennywocky if she's available. :P

Although I will point out these champion games normally are grizzled veterans of each community so...
 

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What is the Mafia War of which you speak?
 

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Well, I have the potential to be the best... but I'm a bit reluctant to try for some reason. If you think you'd wanna send me I'll think it over.

I'll just say, that in the second mafia game where you, rb and cheese were mafia... I had written down on a piece of paper pretty much who mafia was after reading the first page of the game. (I divided the game into "ships" with QT, rb, cheese and Sinny on one ship, and the rest on the other, but spaceblog hadn't posted so I wasn't sure).

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But it was a highly energised stage of my life, and I don't know if I could commit again to pull off some superhuman feat.
Good job, you almost nailed the Scum team who were largely newbies???

I mean, this reminds me of a time when a newbie nomed themselves for paragon of mafia hunters on MS for nailing the Scum in a newbie game, which was actually quite funny.
 

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If rounds are on a 24 hour basis I'm keen, otherwise my timezone tends to precude me from participating.
You can choose between Day Phases lasting either 12, 36, 48 or 72 hours. So I guess you'd want to play in one of the latter two, which you def could if you were the rep :)
 

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Also, the Game(s) require 10 posts per game day I believe.
 

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Wow that's cool. If I wasn't supposed to be doing other stuff I would. We should send Jennywocky if she's available. :P

Although I will point out these champion games normally are grizzled veterans of each community so...
Yeah, there are really only a handful of people who play this game on this site regularly and they all play on a different site, so its kinda weird like that.

Names that come to mind for me are:

rb
Yellow (haven't seen here in a while)
Zerk
Me
(I think rook too but don't quote me)
 

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Good job, you almost nailed the Scum team who were largely newbies???

I mean, this reminds me of a time when a newbie nomed themselves for paragon of mafia hunters on MS for nailing the Scum in a newbie game, which was actually quite funny.
So you don't think I'm really that good?
 

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I would say... IDK because I have only seen you play in 2 games.
I might be assuming I could do it out of natural intelligence whereas it probably requires a more educated strategy to actually do well. I mean, I'm not gonna try and play chess (and expect to win) with someone who can actually play just because I'm "smarter" than them.

Either way, the idea of it still isn't appealing to me all that much, but not much does lately. :/
 

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I might be assuming I could do it out of natural intelligence whereas it probably requires a more educated strategy to actually do well. I mean, I'm not gonna try and play chess (and expect to win) with someone who can actually play just because I'm "smarter" than them.

Either way, the idea of it still isn't appealing to me all that much, but not much does lately. :/
You would prolly be trying to play catch up the whole time trying to figure stuff out even if you are as smart as you say. While some stuff is pretty obvious, if you don't actually know how to play the game, you are at a disadvantage. And these people in this game are supposed to be the cream of the crop, so you have to assume that they are going to be smart as well.
 

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Yeah, I would bet on demonstrated ability over flaunted potential. Even if you win all of your noobster games, your predicted win-rate isn't that good.

Noobs have a habit of over-estimating their abilities. Most people who play mafia are of high intelligence. It doesn't get you as far as it would elsewhere. Despite this high IQ (and even experience), the specs box is littered with bias and posturing. People really want to think of themselves as good, regardless of whether their win-rate suggests otherwise.

I'm not saying that this is the case with you, but it probably is. You think you have the potential to be the best? Why? For reference, my intelligence doesn't convert well at all in this game, I'm absolutely fucking terrible.
 

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Yeah, I would bet on demonstrated ability over flaunted potential. Even if you win all of your noobster games, your predicted win-rate isn't that good.

Noobs have a habit of over-estimating their abilities. Most people who play mafia are of high intelligence. It doesn't get you as far as it would elsewhere. Despite this high IQ (and even experience), the specs box is littered with bias and posturing. People really want to think of themselves as good, regardless of whether their win-rate suggests otherwise.

I'm not saying that this is the case with you, but it probably is. You think you have the potential to be the best? Why? For reference, my intelligence doesn't convert well at all in this game, I'm absolutely fucking terrible.
Here is my wiki to show how "good" I am: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=LicketyQuickety

So just shy of a 60% winrate.

I have a pretty good record, but my Scum game admittedly needs a bit of work.
 

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If we're doing this democratically, I'd cast my vote for anyone mentioned here:

rb
Yellow (haven't seen here in a while)
Zerk
Me
(I think rook too but don't quote me)
Probably based on who has played the most, and who has the best record. I know RB was playing a lot for a while there.
 

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If we're doing this democratically, I'd cast my vote for anyone mentioned here:



Probably based on who has played the most, and who has the best record. I know RB was playing a lot for a while there.

RB still plays. I have no idea what his record is or how many games he has played tho. I haven't seen yellow on MS in a while either, no idea what she is up to.

I have seen Zerk around on here, but not MS.

I never ran into rook on MS, but Yellow told me he plays there.

We might want to send some PM's out???
 

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Yeah Yellow or RB are good experience wise for people who "started" mafia on this forum. Basically if nobody else steps up QT should just accept by default since not only did he bring the game here he obviously wants to play. But if someone else gets voted in or wants it we'll have to decide.
 

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Agreed. QT brought mafia to the forum where my previous attempts have failed. I'm more than happy to have him represent us.

I've not really got the time to organise others (assignments breathing up my arse). If you can reach the others you can hash it out between you, or organise a vote, or whatever. It's your beby ya cutie patootie.
 

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Yeah Yellow or RB are good experience wise for people who "started" mafia on this forum. Basically if nobody else steps up QT should just accept by default since not only did he bring the game here he obviously wants to play. But if someone else gets voted in or wants it we'll have to decide.
Agreed. QT brought mafia to the forum where my previous attempts have failed. I'm more than happy to have him represent us.

I've not really got the time to organise others (assignments breathing up my arse). If you can reach the others you can hash it out between you, or organise a vote, or whatever. It's your beby ya cutie patootie.
I would not mind playing in the MC, no. But I know I would be a nervous wreck before (and prolly during) each game. Lot of eyes looking at me and how I play.

And its kinda weird that I might be repping this site when I don't really fit the form factor for posters on this site??? Like I would literally be representing the site, meaning people are going to think of me when they think of the site.

I guess its just a lot of pressure for me. Still totally willing to do it, but pretty scary as well.
 

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We should prolly set a deadline to decide.
 

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I sent a PM to rb, yellow and rook about this on MS. at least rb should be here shortly.
 

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And its kinda weird that I might be repping this site when I don't really fit the form factor for posters on this site???
Okay humor me this, who DOES fit the form factor for this site? Aren't we all pretty unique just like a hive mind should be? What just is this form factor that you constantly talk about not fitting and how you should be banned despite having 5000 posts and nobody in particular that hates you?
 

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Okay humor me this, who DOES fit the form factor for this site? Aren't we all pretty unique just like a hive mind should be? What just is this form factor that you constantly talk about not fitting and how you should be banned despite having 5000 posts and nobody in particular that hates you?
LMAO. Funny stuff.

I was thinking in terms of posting style. I seldomly have a lot to say, that's really all I was saying.
 

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You're fine.

If I'm brutally honest, I don't think this is that big of a deal. Yes it's great to do this sort of stuff, but if it were a super serious competition, we'd probably need to have a bigger more impressive record of having played the game on site. The games we have played here have really just been nooby mafia, which is fine, but not championship level qualifying. I think it's great that we can participate, but I don't think there's any pressure to actually take home a trophy or w/e.
 

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Yellow's really good, but sporadically active

QT and myself are the most 'active' players, I have up and down but I'm usually playing 3-6 games at once on mafiascum. I play no more than 2 at a time if I'm trying to win.

I'd like to go, but happy to put it to a vote between QT/Yellow/Myself

I don't know of anyone else who plays the game really actively so feel free to put up your hand
 

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You're fine.

If I'm brutally honest, I don't think this is that big of a deal. Yes it's great to do this sort of stuff, but if it were a super serious competition, we'd probably need to have a bigger more impressive record of having played the game on site. The games we have played here have really just been nooby mafia, which is fine, but not championship level qualifying. I think it's great that we can participate, but I don't think there's any pressure to actually take home a trophy or w/e.
if i go i'm tryharding my pants off
 

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Yeah, me too. Was thinking of dropping all my other games and focussing solely on the MC during the time its going on so I can watch other MC games while I play.
 

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Well my votes would go in order of Yellow RB and QT. Just because Yellow and RB started here and are good and QT is also good but is freaking out too much. :P
 

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Well my votes would go in order of Yellow RB and QT. Just because Yellow and RB started here and are good and QT is also good but is freaking out too much. :P
I'm not worried about freaking out in a game, I just want to make sure I am doing my best.
 

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ohhh fuck the setup is mountainous??

i fucking _LOVE_ mountainous setups, it's like my bread and butter

PICK M3333333333
 

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ohhh fuck the setup is mountainous??

i fucking _LOVE_ mountainous setups, it's like my bread and butter

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Me too. Vanilla games are best games. Its why I have not played too many theme games on MS. I am at my best when its all about Scum hunting.
 

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anyway, i think this is also a good opportunity to show how COOL AND FUN we are on INTPforum.

i've thought in the past that it'd be bad to bring people here for 'mafia first' and then we have a bunch of mafia players who don't actually use the forum, but i've noticed over the last year or so that mafia players actually are usually introverts and often enough, INTP. i'm kinda hoping this will revitalize the mafia we play here, and that maybe we can just run some fun theme-oriented games moreso than srs bznz ones?
 

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Post your record RB. I will basically be voting for the person with what I think is the most evidenced ability.
 

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i don't keep records

I was nominated for an award though in this thread

and people said i was gud at stuff here as well

I'm also yet to be lynched as a town player in over 40 games.
 

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anyway, i think this is also a good opportunity to show how COOL AND FUN we are on INTPforum.

i've thought in the past that it'd be bad to bring people here for 'mafia first' and then we have a bunch of mafia players who don't actually use the forum, but i've noticed over the last year or so that mafia players actually are usually introverts and often enough, INTP. i'm kinda hoping this will revitalize the mafia we play here, and that maybe we can just run some fun theme-oriented games moreso than srs bznz ones?
I tried to regarner interest in Mafia on this forum when I said I wanted to run the same setup that newbies on MS use, but you were the only one interested, sadly.
 

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i don't keep records

I was nominated for an award though in this thread

and people said i was gud at stuff here as well

I'm also yet to be lynched as a town player in over 40 games.
I will say that rb is good at Mafia, yeah. I think I am good too. IDK who is better because I haven't played that many games with rb.

That said, I have also been in games where my NK essentially solved the game for Town.

Here's an example:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38529-S-FM-216-Spirits?p=653426#post653426

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38529-S-FM-216-Spirits?p=653451&viewfull=1#post653451

Just to show how nervous the Scum team was getting:

Not only did this get the Scum lynched here by me Claiming Vig when I was really VT, but it stopped the real vig from having to CC. At that point in the game, Scum had to bank on me being Vig or they would lose for sure and that is exactly what happened. They shot me instead of the real vig, forcing the last Scum to surrender after the second Scum was lynched the next day.

Here is another "LOL get rekt" play I made:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7332632#p7332632

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7332880#p7332880

I basically Day Vigged a very supped up SK day 1. We went on to win that game.


Those are just two plays I am proud of, there are more.
 

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yeah LQ is good at the game and I think either of us would represent well

I just really want to go for the sake of fun/enjoyment because having something to compete for generally makes me do better
 

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yeah LQ is good at the game and I think either of us would represent well

I just really want to go for the sake of fun/enjoyment because having something to compete for generally makes me do better
Totally agree with you.

I want to go too, but I thought it would be kinda rotten of me if I didn't let you know what was going on, so naturally, I told you so that you could say whether you wanted to go or not. I've been looking forward to going since about season 2, so quite a while - a few years. TBH, I didn't think I would get the chance this soon. I don't play on my homesite as much as I used to so that is why I was not in the running there, but I do have I think just shy of a 65% winrate on PerC with 17 games played there in total.

I don't have that many more games played than rb, I have 62 on record, but I usually don't play as many games at a time as rb I don't think. I am often times playing different mafia games on different sites, so that is why I only have 17 games on record on my homesite. I have 36 games played on MS.

I am somewhat meticulous about keeping track of all the games I have played. While most people give up keeping track of their games after about a month, that is about as often as I update it on a regular basis. I usually update my wiki after every game, but not always.
 

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150 communities will participate, each sending one representative.
Oh that sucks, count me out, I have no experience and lets face it I just wanted to play to have fun and be a jackass.
 

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delet this.
 

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I want RB is an absolute beast as town. QT is more familiar with the MU meta.

I'd support either of you going.
 
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