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What do you think is the essence of nationality?

onesteptwostep

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What do you think nationality is, in terms of its essence? I mean this could differ for many people, as the essence can be boiled down into many things..

What do you think it is?

A shared history?
A shared biology? (speaking technically, e.g. DNA)
A shared goal/principle? (the American Dream; trying to live the best for their children)

Taking an example of a simple Chinese person, this man living in China would have all these three things combined, so the essence for him would be all these, though perhaps biology might take precedent.

For an American this could be different, since there are domestic natives, natives, migrants, immigrants and so on, which might put a shared goal or principle at the forefront.

But for a someone in a Nordic country or someone in Europe, biology might take precedence. Like, I think most Italians would say they are Italians not because they have an Italian citizenship, but because of the both rich contemporary culture and cultural heritage they all share.

So what is nationality, really?
 
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The essence of nationality is the feeling of belonging to a given group, the ties with its members and the sense of dissimilarity with others - strangers.

This feeling is triggered by sharing the same set of characteristic features that are considered typical, preferable and integrated within a given group.

The most general categories:
- Culture systems - language, nation as a character, values and their formalization, history, reality understandings, lifestyle and its organization, appearance, class division, technology, entertainment, styles of everyday objects, cuisine, etc.
- Territory - understood as the property of a group (homeland) and personified as Mother, Father, this England, these China.

I think that biology in the sense of race distinguishes more civilizational circles than nations. And people rarely think in terms of haplogroups.

I guess you can see 'culture systems' as 'ethnicity' but it seems rather unclear as a category (sometimes nationality is its sub and sometimes parent category)
 
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The nation-state is a modern invention. A few centuries ago French was not one language but over 100. The closest you will come to an organic nation is ethnicity which is somewhat larger than a city-state. Today it's just ingroup-outgroup. In Subsaharan Africa, they have tribes and are not so much nationalistic. That is why its hard to get some of the benefits of capitalism down there. Tribe comes first not best workers. Israel was considered a nation ever without land/territory because it was an ethnic group. Anyone born in the US is a US citizen. The nation-state is based on the type of government and borders you have. Nothing more.
 

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Shared set of values and traditions, and a shared language. Also the agreement that as long as you live in that society you protect and respect its values.
 

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In school I was forced to study a lot of fucking shakespeare. He always threw in awful nationalistic jokes to feed the proles and they all still apply.

So, culture. People take pride in being collectively a little defective in some way
 

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Britons are oddly anti-nationalistic, except for in times of novelty or crisis, when they suddenly love their country and everyone who expresses the same love for it.
 

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I'm picturing a bunch of brits who normally hate brit but it's someone's birthday so they think it's k.
 

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An excuse to take credit of other people's works simply because they happen to be born in a similar patch of land as you.
 

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tribe and racism, collective culture and language.


racial and national identity
(1) born in the same land
(2) have same common ancestors/genetics from that land
(3) fluent in the said language
(4) values and culture
(5) social experience in society and growing up there

just like you move to an alien planet and be a foreigner.
 

Gyppo

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An excuse to take credit of other people's works simply because they happen to be born in a similar patch of land as you.
True. And to condone the exploitation of people in other patches. Animals don't have nationalities.
 

Gyppo

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I've noticed that animals only gain nationalities when they're dead and ready to eat.
 
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Ick, nationality.

I am def, not loyal to the US.
 
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