Insight from other INTP's would be appreciated

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Hello everyone, im new here Ive casually been into MBTI for a few years now, My dad got me into it who is also an INTP. When I first took the test I tested as ISTP and as I've done a lot of maturing in the past couple of years I now test as an INTP and the personality type of INTP suits me more. I think I was more socially outgoing when I was a child but as I started getting older I started becoming more and more uncomfortable around people and choosy about the company around me, I didnt really like to be around people who seemed immature bc I just didnt like to be around it. Now I pretty much only have one friend I guess you could say because I find that most people that I come across dont really have any of the same interests as me, like technology, computers, and a conversation involving deep thought and intelligence. One of the people I get along with the most is actually my dad who is also an INTP, Anyway he sent me this progress report from when I was in the 1st grade and he says that it is very significant because it paints a "purer" image of who I am, Nothing in this progress report from the 1st grade has changed about me except for the social aspect, I dont really care for people a whole lot. Its not that I dont care im just not interested in most people and most people arent really that interested in me, Anyway What do you guys make of this progress report, do you think it coincides with an INTP? Im also 27 now. I always sucked at school, Not that I was dumb but I always had a really hard time paying attention to the teacher, no matter how hard I tried I wasnt absorbing any information basically just listening to words come out of her mouth. My parents tried everything, tutors, good schools, sitting with me for hours while I did homework and I just never got it. I failed the 6th grade and my parents sent me to a really strict all boys boarding school known for turning kids around, but to their dismay I failed the first semester of my 6th grade year there, they started getting really concerned bc this is a prestigious college prep school that at the time was 20k a year and it still wasnt making an impact on my grades so my dad took me to a therapist and the doctor diagnosed me with ADD(inattentive), I have a pretty severe case of it and I got put on ritalin and from there on out I pretty much made honor roll for the first time in my life, then as I got older I just couldnt take being in school anymore bc I hated rules being told what to do especially since i just turned 18 at the time so I dropped out in 11th grade bc I turned 18 my 11th grade year. Im currently a Hairdresser and I hate my job, ive been doing it for the last 7 years. Prior to hairschool I was in school to get an associates of science in computer networking technology and security bc thats where my general interest lies, I wasnt ready for school yet though. Hair is something I got into bc its something thats been in my family for a long time, My mom is a hairdresser and my grandpa on my dads side was my moms instructor in beauty school which was how my parents met and they own a very prominent salon in the New Orleans area and also bc I had a baby on the way and hairschool was only going to take 1500 hours, although my dad does mechanical engineer type work building assembly and testing equipment for companies like General Dynamics and Textron for tanks and aircraft and that sort of thing, he really loves his job. Anyway Im done talking, input on my yackin and the progress report would be cool to hear from other INTP's, thank you for taking the time to read this guys, I really appreciate it.

 

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On my phone the progress report doesnt show up, so just in case, here it is again.

 

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This is pretty annoying, it shows up when I view this thread from my PC but not when I view it from my android.

 

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Try plugging your Android into your PC?

 

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Well idk if you guys can see the image or not bc it doesnt seem to be viewable from my android, so ill just type the report out.

READING
Uses phonics and word attack skills- above average
Knows color words- below average
Reads lists of words- average
Uses oral reading skills- average

Language Skills
Expresses ideas clearly in speaking- average
Recognizes rhyming words- above average
Understands alphabetical order- above average

Math
Knows number words- Below average
Knows ordinal numbers- above average
Understands number 1-10- above average
Greater and less than- above average
addition facts to 5- above average

Handwriting
Forms letters and spaces words correctly- average

Work Habits
Follows oral directions- average
Listens attentively- below average
Works independently- below average
Starts work promptly- below average
Completes work on time- below average
Makes good use of time- below average
Does work neatly- average
Cares for materials- below average

Social Development
Assumes responsibility- below average
Contributes to the group- above average
Works well with others- above average
Plays well with others- above average
Cooperates without supervision- above average
Follows school rules- above average
Follows room rules- above average

Conduct
-average

 

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Can you center the formatting?

 

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Can you center the formatting?

Trying to make anything look formal from my phone is a bitch.

 

[QuickTwist]

So here is my analysis. You are ISTP. You think you are INTP because your dad thinks he is an INTP (which I doubt) and this influences you to think you are the same type as your father because there is some intellectual prestige to being an INTP over an ISTP. Furthermore, if that is a picture of you for your avatar I would say that is the visual definition of what an ISTP looks like Not to mention your lack of ability to use abstract tools in a way that is intuitive in nature rather than concrete. Also your word usage seems like it is meant to identify with more S type rhetoric in being associated with a comradery-buddy-buddy feel rather than precision.

Just IMHO.

 

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So here is my analysis. You are ISTP. You think you are INTP because your dad thinks he is an INTP (which I doubt) and this influences you to think you are the same type as your father because there is some intellectual prestige to being an INTP over an ISTP. Furthermore, if that is a picture of you for your avatar I would say that is the visual definition of what an ISTP looks like Not to mention your lack of ability to use abstract tools in a way that is intuitive in nature rather than concrete. Also your word usage seems like it is meant to identify with more S type rhetoric in being associated with a comradery-buddy-buddy feel rather than precision.

Just IMHO.

Yes that is me in the picture, Thanks for taking the time to read and thanks for your opinion, thats an interesting point of view. He and I have almost identical personalities and this is something that us and all of our friends and family have noticed for a long time except for the fact that I am more concious of style and appearance which I think a lot of was the direct result of the career that I ended up in, one that is very fashion focused and style oriented, I really hate what I do for a living by the way. I hate meeting new people, small talk, and trying to satisfy people, I cant even stand being greeted when I walk into a store because I really dont feel like having to respond to it(It's akward for me). He came to the conclusion that he was an INTP after he went to a therapist for reasons un-MBTI related and got typed by a professional, prior to going to a therapist he was completely oblivious to what MBTI even was, after that he took several more tests online and gets the same results every time. I dont think one necessarily has an advantage over the other, I was really into my ISTP type for a while and agreed with it and had no issue with it whatsoever, the only thing about the description of an istp that was off was being a very athletic person which im not and that they constantly seek excitement which at the time I was, but for the wrong reasons that didnt pertain to who I really was as a person. During the time period that I took the personality test I was kind of going through a crisis that lasted for a couple of years (a bad breakup) I dont handle my feelings very well so I was doing anything I could to get it off of my mind, a lot of which involved partying a lot, something im not used to doing but the extreme emotional pain that I had never experienced before called for Extreme Solutions which was a horrible way to deal with it and came with many consequences. But over the past two years ive made a lot of changes that has really made me much more at peace with myself and in a place where im much happier and comfortable with my life, a lot of which is because im dating a very mature woman who keeps me grounded. For about half a year now I test as an INTP which honestly doesnt have anything to do with anybody but myself and my take on life as it is when I am the most stable and no environmental factors are interfering with my minds 8 natural cognitive functions, I really dont believe one has an advantage over the other and I think both types are intellectual. I ended up here because this is what I relate to the most, If I fell more on the ISTP side I would be on an ISTP forum.

 

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I really wish everyone could type in paragraphs. So many people, including me, don't like tolerating deviations.

 

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you can't really define yourself based on some online personality test. personalities are very complex and no one can really be grouped into one specific type.

that being said: you comes off more as a sensor type. to me that is the biggest difference between all the personality types. intuitives vs sensors.

put an intuitive in a room full of sensors and vice versa and it will be transparent who the odd man out is.

sensors dominate the population. SJ's are totalitarian nightmares...you'll know them when you see them.

PS: you should really read the cognitive functions of each type. i highly doubt you are an NT.

 

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you can't really define yourself based on some online personality test. personalities are very complex and no one can really be grouped into one specific type.

- I actually happen to agree with you to a certain degree which brings me to my next point, why are you active on a website dedicated to people who have been grouped into one specific type?

that being said: you comes off more as a sensor type. to me that is the biggest difference between all the personality types. intuitives vs sensors.

- I think its possible for someone to harness the power of both.

put an intuitive in a room full of sensors and vice versa and it will be transparent who the odd man out is.

- Agreed, I think an intuitive who is in touch with sensing will be able to blend in if they want to avoid social persecution though.

PS: you should really read the cognitive functions of each type. i highly doubt you are an NT.

-Im extremely logical, both theoretically and technically adept more so than with my sensory side lately, I can use either one depending on the situation.


So far nobody has told me if they see any revelance to my progress report in the 1st grade and being an INTP.

 

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I really wish everyone could type in paragraphs. So many people, including me, don't like tolerating deviations.

I actually hate it myself and I would be breaking it down in proper college essay format If i wasnt writing posts from my cell phone

 

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For what its worth I've been typed by some people on the forum as ISTP; I may be one IDK. INTPs are usually very objective about individual events while ISTPs usually are content to generalize things short of the complete picture. I do both.

BTW, I was wondering why you dad was at the psychologist at all (I don't expect you to answer this one) and why they decided to type your dad in MBTI theory. In my experience psychologist typically don't get overly involved pop psychology stuff like MBTI (unless they think it could be something that they think their clients could get into. This is on an individual basis by the psychologist though). While they are usually educated in pop psychology theories, they don't usually use them in there repertoire of strategies to share with their clients. Psychologists are usually individualistic in there approach to what they use in there repertoire of strategies and pop psychology usually does not have enough science behind it to be of use to them. They usually try to incorporate things which have a good record of providing results or things that have to do with their Thesis or some book they find to be really helpful to their clients. These things are usually done by trial and error and recommendations from other practicing psychologists. Again, this is just my experience.

Also, doing a job that you don't like (or hate) is typically a bad idea regardless of what you get paid. Finding a job that may pay a little less but is satisfying is a great idea! If you are an INTP there is no reason why you should be doing a job you hate so much; especially when because of INTPs bent, they can make tons of money with a degree that pays well as well as being a satisfying endeavor for their trait stack.

You seem to be oddly agreeable for an INTP but I am not going to rule it out.

The way the cognitive functions typically work is that the further down the line in the trait stack you go the longer it takes for that function to be an active part of their personality. From when your born to when you are about 16 your main and best used function is your first. From then until about 25 (until your brain fully develops) is when you develop your secondary function. It isn't until mid-life that your third function is used properly and not until 50-60 that you can properly use your last function. So it is actually quite difficult to type someone until there brain is fully developed.

 

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For what its worth I've been typed by some people on the forum as ISTP; I may be one IDK. INTPs are usually very objective about individual events while ISTPs usually are content to generalize things short of the complete picture. I do both.

BTW, I was wondering why you dad was at the psychologist at all (I don't expect you to answer this one) and why they decided to type your dad in MBTI theory. In my experience psychologist typically don't get overly involved pop psychology stuff like MBTI (unless they think it could be something that they think their clients could get into. This is on an individual basis by the psychologist though). While they are usually educated in pop psychology theories, they don't usually use them in there repertoire of strategies to share with their clients. Psychologists are usually individualistic in there approach to what they use in there repertoire of strategies and pop psychology usually does not have enough science behind it to be of use to them. They usually try to incorporate things which have a good record of providing results or things that have to do with their Thesis or some book they find to be really helpful to their clients. These things are usually done by trial and error and recommendations from other practicing psychologists. Again, this is just my experience.

Also, doing a job that you don't like (or hate) is typically a bad idea regardless of what you get paid. Finding a job that may pay a little less but is satisfying is a great idea! If you are an INTP there is no reason why you should be doing a job you hate so much; especially when because of INTPs bent, they can make tons of money with a degree that pays well as well as being a satisfying endeavor for their trait stack.

You seem to be oddly agreeable for an INTP but I am not going to rule it out.

The way the cognitive functions typically work is that the further down the line in the trait stack you go the longer it takes for that function to be an active part of their personality. From when your born to when you are about 16 your main and best used function is your first. From then until about 25 (until your brain fully develops) is when you develop your secondary function. It isn't until mid-life that your third function is used properly and not until 50-60 that you can properly use your last function. So it is actually quite difficult to type someone until there brain is fully developed.

Some people like to go just to talk and for advice, Im still doing what I do for a living bc I went to school for it and its the only thing I know how to do as a source of income. Im good enough with computers to go get a job at any mom and pop shop as a tech and I would love to but im not even going to attempt without at least an A+ which is something ive been working on but procrastinating with, I know I could easily work at a tech shop and be more knowledgeable than a lot of people there but people love credentials so thats why I want to get at least one cert before I go looking.

 

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Stay away from ITT Tech and don't work as a bench tech because that job pay shit. If you really want to be a tech, its not really that hard to get one if you match up your resume with the qualifications of what they are looking for granted you know how to do the things they are looking for. Bench techs don't really make any more than $20/hr and even that amount is pushing it. Usually you start out making a lot less. If you get to a Tech III position, you can expect to make around 35k/yr.

Anyways, what degree did you end up with and what is your current career?

 

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Stay away from ITT Tech and don't work as a bench tech because that job pay shit. If you really want to be a tech, its not really that hard to get one if you match up your resume with the qualifications of what they are looking for granted you know how to do the things they are looking for. Bench techs don't really make any more than $20/hr and even that amount is pushing it. Usually you start out making a lot less. If you get to a Tech III position, you can expect to make around 35k/yr.

Anyways, what degree did you end up with and what is your current career?

ITT is a scam from what I've heard, IT field wise I would like to start with obtaining an A+ and work somewhere that involves A+ work and get a feel for what I want to do afterwards, I was thinking MCSE then NET+ and maybe a CCNA and take it from there, all of which school isnt necessary for if you have the knowledge so its completely free if you teach yourself and you dont have to spend half your time in meaningless bullshit classes that dont pertain to anything. The only problem is that New orleans isnt really a tech mecca and I have a daughter and family here so I cant move to cali or anything like that. I really love repairing, troubleshooting and building new rigs especially when it comes to a price for performance rig, I always advise people against buying brand name computers when I see the opporitunity, or electronics in general for that matter, brand names dont mean anything, the only thing that matters are specs.

For example my gf is an isfj (our only arguments stem from emotional/feeling differences and sometimes she doesnt understand that I NEED lots of space from time to time and is prone to taking it the wrong way) and before she met me she paid close to 800 bucks for a Dell all-in-one because she just liked the way she felt about it and bc it came with extra software like microsoft office and whatnot. She often gets frustrated with it though bc it gets pretty laggy after a couple of hours of use and i tried explaining to her that just because its a dell that was $800 and came with software doesnt mean this is a good machine, it only has 4 GB of SODIMM ram, a dual core celeron processor, and im pretty sure it only has a 5400 rpm Laptop hard drive. I tried pleading with her that a machine could be built for half of what she paid for hers and it would be 20 times faster and she didnt really see how that could be possible.

It was around this time that I was ready for a new build anyway bc I was only using a low end laptop just for light use and my xbox360 with xim adapter (mouse and keyboard adapter for FPS games on xbox) for gaming. My xim adapter was selling for 4 times what i paid for it on ebay bc they discontinued making them so they could start development for the new version for the xbox one, So I saw this as an opporitunity to get back into PC gaming(my favorite hobby)/building a new rig/ and showing my gf how much better a no name brand custom build is than what she has.

I ended up getting an 8-core FX processor(all cores unparked), 8 gigs of DDR 2133, msi mobo with 970A chipset, HD7770 GPU,Bronze series EVGA PSU, Solid State Drive, Generic dvd-rw, and a nice raidmax case. All for about $450 so after all of my parts arrived from newegg and amazon and I assembled it, I let her play around on it and after a few minutes of use she wanted me to list her all-in-one(which she thinks very highly of) on craigslist to fund a build like mine, minus the graphics card bc she doesnt play games. Its things like this that I get a great deal of satisfaction from, this is just one example but anything tech related that my knowledge is of use in a helpful way to people I get a huge high from.

 

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I took that myersbriggs quiz many times throughout the years, on various different websites, and almost always got INTJ. I read the descriptions numerous times but something didn't fit, something was off. That wasn't me.

I then came across socionics. I took their test and came out INTP - I related far more to their description.

Eventually I got around to reading the cognitive functions of all the types and concluded I was more likely to be an INTP than all the others.

INTP = Ti > Ne > Si > Fe

Look them up.

You do not come across as an INTP or any of the NT types.

 

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I would go with a technologically-oriented ISTP.

 

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I agree that he leans toward being an ST.

I know NT types are known for their skills and ingenuity and creativity in the tech fields, but the Tech Industry is filled with sensor types.

 

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I took that myersbriggs quiz many times throughout the years, on various different websites, and almost always got INTJ.

Test question: Are you prone to decide how this should go?

INTP: Yes. I thought long and hard about it. Every possibility. I filtered out the baddies, rated them linearly, and that floated to the top. Meanwhile I'm busy stirring the pot to see what changes. Nothing can be taken for granted when the context changes. Besides I didn't understand the question.

Tester: Never mind. You decided. You are INTJ.

INTP: Does that mean I'm fucked*?
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*Fucked = technical term meaning you didn't pass the test and are fucked.

 

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I took that myersbriggs quiz many times throughout the years, on various different websites, and almost always got INTJ. I read the descriptions numerous times but something didn't fit, something was off. That wasn't me.

I then came across socionics. I took their test and came out INTP - I related far more to their description.

Eventually I got around to reading the cognitive functions of all the types and concluded I was more likely to be an INTP than all the others.

INTP = Ti > Ne > Si > Fe

Look them up.

You do not come across as an INTP or any of the NT types.

Your Sociotype: ILI-2Te (INTp)

I just took it on the socionics website, very different than any personality test I've ever taken, especially the last dozen or so questions being choosing between two pictures of people.

 

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I think its possible for someone to identify with both, Jung identified himself as istp when he was younger and as an intp in later years

http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2012/02/jung-identified-himself-as-both-intp-and-ist

 

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Just be honest with yourself and read all the cognitive functions. No type is greater than the other and all of them have some use in human society. It is normal for a perceiving type to continually question everything. Because you are so young, it maybe difficult for you to identify yourself with a MBTI type. I suggest writing a blog about your life. This blog would be about how you see the world and your environment. If you wrote about your motivations and the questions you have about life, it could clarify this for you. Finally, write about your experiences with athletics and creative outlets like music and art.


With this data and looking at your short history, you may find the answer you are looking for.

 

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No type is greater than the other

Hey now, let's not go overboard. INFJ women pretty much rule, and SJ folks are insufferable pricks.

 

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Oh, I see, you meant the A+ test right? Ok yeah that makes a lot more sense now. That is not bad to have under your belt and it can't hurt to have it if you want to get into that field. You make a lot more sense the more you communicate which is not something I can say about clockwork (he is a member of the forum).

 

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INFJ women pretty much rule

In a technical situation you think?

SJ folks are insufferable pricks.

When INTP's gets stuck (and they do) SJ's can give them a way out.

 

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Oh SJs are a NECESSITY for a functioning society. However they're still dicks.


... and I didn't mean 'rule' in any authoritative sense; i meant it as being all-around awesome.

 

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Finally understand why the progress report wasnt showing. Working now.

Language and Math were Above average while I was BELOW AVERAGE in ALL THINGS related to WORK HABITS.