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Are we referring to internet or actual IQ tests? Also, practice weakens their validity. I'm not saying you haven't scored that high legitimately, but excessive familiarity hurts their accuracy.

Ah, I suppose those were just musings. And to be fair, neuroscience has mapped the areas of general intelligence by capturing images of the damaged brains of those that perform poorly on those tests (or on certain sections). So, upon reflection, I suppose a "completely culture fair test" is...

Right, I know it would be impossible to cater to every cultural disconnect, but that was my point. Making a test 100% full proof is an impossible task, considering neuroscience is in its infancy compared to other fields. Also, sociology itself is tentative in many ways. I do highly respect IQ...

Right, I'm not saying they've changed much, except for using deviation IQs instead of mental age for calculation (well, you are still ranked against your peers). As for the Flynn effect, I agree it's not as simple as increased intelligence. I believe he spoke of a school in India where the...

My studies have briefly touched on sociology, and if I remember certain white groups (various European descent) scored significantly below 100 shortly after the advent of IQ tests. I'm not completely sure on that though, I wish I still had my old textbook. On a separate note, I would also like...

Yeah, I believe I understood what you meant, you'll find I go on tangents fairly often :) But, from what you're saying even though asians and blacks are equally alienated from mainstream culture, asians still perform better on verbal ability tests. And so, you're wondering then why that excuse...

I think China used a form of intelligence testing some 2,000 years ago. Well, they were more akin to civil service exams, I suppose. Anyway, I'll respond to the SES stuff later, it's definitely intriguing.

I'll respond to this portion, as I find the twin studies highly interesting. The reason is due to reading Flynn's book "What is Intelligence?," specifically the section dealing with twin studies and Flynn explaining one of his four paradoxes dealing with disparate environments and yet twin's...

Well, I will post this here, as I saw your message in the other thread :p If I recall, don't those of different socioeconomic classes score differently? Also, I thought there was a study done where children of a lower class were adopted by higher class members and scored higher after a...

If I recall, don't those of different socioeconomic classes score differently? I'm not entirely sure.

If Bertrand Russell were here, he'd be smiling wanly for a reason.

I have yet to see Jonah Hill's The Sitter, but Superbad was decent enough. Mclovin was equal parts annoying and entertaining, okay maybe slightly skewed towards annoying.

Yeah, but you know what I mean. In the context of societal worth, I have very little to offer. But, everyone has the same blind father.

Evolution gave me myself; I'm not too pleased.

I'd hang out with Boris Sidis for awhile, to find out why Freud hated him so much. After that, though, I'd zip to the future because I'm also a forward-thinking man.

Well, this thread has taken a rather sharp turn :p

I suppose your over-arching point was that subsequent testing of fluid intelligence is complicated because of the nature of the tests, which as you say rely on reasoning through novel stimuli. If I'm reading it correctly, picture arrangement has the worst stability at .69, feel free to correct...

If I understood this correctly, Matrix Reasoning provides a less stable score upon re-testing, compared to the other subtests you mentioned? I see what you mean, tests of fluid intelligence rely on ignorance of the process before hand. I suppose I'm wondering then how a psychologist goes about...

No problem, it wasn't a matter of taking it personally, but simply wanting to clarify what I meant. As far as IQ levels being discernible to any (well, most) trained clinicians, I agree, but I think in some very odd cases (especially in case of LDs/mental illnesses, severe forms) they may be...

If I understand correctly, such aberrations are thrown out statistically so as to not skew the balance, but that person would still receive credit for their achieved score?

Oh, I'm not bashing IQ testing at all, I just meant that perhaps in some vague sense they might be imperfect. I was informed that severe mental illness (which of course affects a small portion of the population) can make testing of one's innate intelligence close to impossible, as opposed to...

It would make sense that the ACT tests would correlate with the psychometric type. As for the validity of IQ tests (which I support, at least for the most part), someone imparted a statement that seemed fairly reasonable, just because we don't know exactly why IQ tests are good measures of...

So, if a subsequent test score is too anomalous, it is thrown out (potentially)? Would they score that person with a different test, then?

I have heard of the CCAT before, chose not to take it, for reasons I'm sure you can imagine. I usually score quite high on verbally inclined online IQ tests, and even the verbal portion of the SAT/ACT, somewhat impressive for being shoddily home-schooled. Anyway , didn't Dr. Jouve create...

Oh, I'm not saying everyone is fibbing, but I've encountered instances where someone random forum drifter will pop into a thread and state what a high IQ they have. And to be fair, that test she took was in a psychology class. Even so, her academic prowess seems to suggest a high one, and they...

Fair enough, no rush. And I agree blowing the ceiling off during a subsequent testing session is highly unlikely for most people, but there are statistical freaks out there, and it was meant as a pure hypothetical. However, I'm unaware of the largest, somewhat legitimate increase of score...

There have been many claimed high scores, but I'm wondering how many are going off of internet test scores (I'm sure some correlate decently with actual IQ tests, but still). Even so, her academic prowess was astounding. To be fair, I did say "one of the smartest" and I stand by that assertion...

Out of curiosity then, what are the average gains for gf tests (or segments of tests)? Let's say hypothetically, if someone waited a year or close to that timeframe, and scored much, much higher, how many points would you say roughly could be traced back to practice effects?

Undoubtedly, there were some defensive and acerbic replies. Regardless of whether men on average are smarter or not (not arguing that point), I look to the individual. My sister would most likely be one of the smartest (if not at the pinnacle), persons on the forums, she supposedly tested out...

I did state extreme gains, I just wasn't entirely sure how far up those gains went. I agree that exposure to the test and not enough time passing between tests most likely accounted for the increase of scores. As for Wechsler arguing three years, true, but many psychologists today claim...

Yeah, I was considering the practice effect as well, it seems waiting a year is standard practice for a re-test. I'm not entirely sure how large the gains were, though, but in an interview with the lead researcher, he stated that the gains kept building on themselves as long as the test...

I'm not sure if they would have the same effect, it's possible. And, the link wasn't meant to be a refutation, just something else to consider. I'm not sure what to make of the low IQ/high IQ low testosterone common denominator thing. Was your point the low testosterone commonality? I've only...

Has my link already been posted, then?

I read the University of Michigan study (I believe there was a follow-up study, as well) concerning n-back training and increases of gF (general fluid intelligence). I wonder, has anyone here employed these exercises and seen a substantial increase in IQ? Of course, the only test used was the...

Some interesting tidbits. Also, shouldn't prenatal levels of testosterone be considered? I'll see if I can dig up the link. Found the link http://psychcentral.com/news/2011/03/14/testosterone-hormone-linked-to-higher-iq/24379.html Relevant quote

Perhaps a natural hormone split between men and women (on average) could be causing this odd ratio. Also, some scientific articles have cited the nebulous variable of "motivation" concerning IQ tests, which is obviously objectively difficult to measure. There's also the previously noted notion...

Individuals of course. I knew a former female co-worker who was built like Shrek, pretty monstrous.

Sure, I laughed. I don't know, the disconnect with the average person's humor is a bit more complicated than that. As in, I'm not sure why the disconnect exists to begin with.

Difficult to describe, but it is along the lines of dark, ironic humor, of the cheap variety.

I've often thought of myself as having an odd sense of humor. Most of the time recently, I've been attempting to suppress this trait in front of others. Has anyone here done this? I feel like the odd man out, perpetually bored and dissatisfied. Humor is a double-edged sword for me, on the...

Not sure how else to put it, "lazy thinking" not well-thought out, and to a lesser extent not incorporating the pertinent knowledge needed for a correct thought.

Sometimes, questioning doubt just reinforces the habit. Although, someone in another recent thread made an interesting observation: doubt can be a product of lazy thinking. However, confidence can be the end result of the same thing. Which is more beneficial?, depends on the environment, and...

I'm not wholly sure, but on some forums in order to get noticed one must be either controversial or overly erudite, and confidence seems to be the ingredient they mutually need to thrive and be noticed. I think being successful in group settings very much depends on marketing yourself (but...

Well, according to the wiki, Malkav might survive as the Malkavian Madness Network. Who knows for sure, though, right?

Well, it was cool while it lasted, but other people had to ruin this by replying.

The Second Intermediate Period in Egyptian history, only because I've read the Lords of the Two Lands trilogy, and the final two books in the series more than once.

Compared to the average, not very often.

It was a combination of both, but more the latter (multiple replies/resonating). Perhaps my words don't resonate with others. The reason for such eludes me, perhaps because I'm an oddity, in terms of self-expression.

A densely packed cemetary in hazy moonlight.

I should've been more clear, what do you think my reason was for ignoring your initial post?