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Yes! I agree completely with this entire post :D.

Fair enough, and very true. Myers did not come up with her own judgement/perception scale. She directly pulled from Jung, using his own definitions and quotes. This is clearly spelled out in Chapter 2 of Gifts Differing. She also does not say that "Sensing and Intuition are P functions, but...

I agree with this. I don't think it goes unnoticed, though. In the sciences and in business, you will often hear people state things like "there's no place for feeling here." Similarly, it's often in the realm of emotions (art, relationships, etc.) that I hear people state "you can't rationalize...

MBTI does not make the claims that you are stating it does. MBTI clearly says that the introvert's natural state is not the extroverted way that they interact with the world. Is it the introverted dominating function. By your descriptions, it just sounds to me like, as many others have...

How did I only represent my post from an MBTI standpoint? I referenced Jung several times, and clearly stated in several places my opinion that MBTI and Socionics are both valid, and that you shouldn't use one to try and prove anything about the other. My entire post was to try and point out...

After catching up on these responses, it still seems as though you are redefining things in your own terms that allow you to relate things back to what you feel you've observed. I don't think she altered Jung's types at all, just merely expanded them to make farther reaching claims. MBTI also...

Hopefully I'm not sending you off track. I'm still sort of at the beginning of this stuff myself, but I believe I was accurate in my responses.

Your point is completely lost on me. Your post seems to redefine the MBTI functions in order to fit with socionics, which seems a little silly. INTP in MTBI, as described in Gifts Differing (which I more or less treat as the instruction manual from the authors of MBTI), lays out TiNe quite...

I usually sleep in just boxer briefs, regardless of time of year. I get an average of 4 hours of sleep on weekdays and 12 hours when I have the day off. My sleep hygiene is pretty much awful and I have no idea how to change it.

I'm finding lessons to be incredibly helpful, actually. For a long while (2ish years) I would randomly pick up my guitar, play a song or two I learned, noodle around, and put it down. I would do this every day for a few weeks, and then lose interest and put the guitar down for a couple of months...

My reflecting and pondering is very much internal, and it's very much of a decisive nature. I generally only take in stimuli when I'm focused on it, which generally means I am thinking about it. My thinking is a very logical, step-by-step process. A walk in the park alone might be (barring...

I agree that they aren't draining at all, mostly because they don't usually push too hard. As you said, they don't bum rush you. Personally, I just find the ones I've met to be annoying. They are WAY too energetic and 10000000 miles an hour. It just interrupts my Ti, which is a no go. I can see...

What? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. I think Ni can produce this behavior, but I also think that Ni can result in very proactive behavior due to the need to ensure the world lines up with the determinations produced. This would all depend on the person's experiences and which...

I don't understand where the Socionics vs MBTI debate comes from... They are different ways of describing similar things. MBTI does a fine job for me, so I haven't bothered getting much into Socionics, yet.

I take a while to read books, also. I've never understood people who take pride in how fast they read books. I'm perfectly capable of reading and understanding the surface elements of what I read at an extremely quick pace. The problem is that, as you described, I like to think over and digest...

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I don't know if it's characteristic of INTPs more than any other type, but I do this very often. I used to get poked fun at for how much I paced, actually. I just love walking and thinking in general...I would walk as far as I could every day until my legs gave out if I could, I think.

You probably over corrected. Anytime you change your behavior in an attempt to emulate something (being unbiased, in this case), you are going to render yourself susceptible to skewed actions/responses. Edit: This is one big reason why many believe MBTI to be a poor system. The test tends to...

Right, I didn't necessarily mean that we would get to hear your thoughts. I just meant that someone on Earth would. But then, I guess that depends on...a lot of things :slashnew:.

Bahaha. :evil: The ENTPs I know make it rather apparent when they are in "investigate/prod" mode. I was actually JUST thinking to myself about how ENTPs seem to mostly go between extremes of "happy looking" and "thinking". I can imagine the ENTPs I know displaying anger very prominently, but...

Just record your thoughts, put them in sturdy containers, and use the gravity of passing celestial bodies to send them back our direction. Very little wasted momentum! :^^:

Don't judge me, it was on the Google News homepage, lol. If an article looks interesting, I won't bias myself against it just because it comes from the most atrocious "news" source out there :P. Besides, the source is probably AP or something. I'm too lazy to check. :D

If you have the desire, don't let it get to you. In high school my friend and I both took the advanced math classes (Pre-calc through calc 3/diff eq). As I said before, I did very well, but I honestly wasn't all that interested by it. It was intriguing, but not enough that I did much outside of...

The Psychology of Leaving Earth Behind Forever I was just reading the above article about a NASA project to send a spaceship to Mars on a one-way trip. This would, of course, mean that anyone volunteering to be part of this trip would never return to Earth. As the article points out, this has...

There is abstract math and applied math, if that's what you mean. The problem is that most physical science/engineering disciplines are going to be using applied math, and you still have to go through a large number of applied math courses to major in abstract math (generally through calculus 3...

I dunno, I think it just has more to do with the nature of the instrument. It applies equally to more simple, straightforward piano music. I also think the magic has more to do with my mood than anything, but who knows.

For some odd reason, I have a craving to start receiving magazines to read from time to time. So, I was wondering if anyone had recommendations. Any ideas and reasoning are welcome. Topics of interest are as follows: Science & Technology Psychology Gaming of all sorts (board, card, video...

lol!!! This is so true :P. -When too many thoughts completely inhibit your productivity, but you don't consider the heaps of books, clothes, projects, and various assorted items scattered all about to be of any consequence to said productivity. -When you make a bullet point about productivity...

*nod*. Keep a lookout for newer models, also. I got mine (which also has VGA/DVI/HDMI btw...not sure what you were looking at) and then noticed that I could have gotten a newer model for just like $10 more. I didn't do the research for newer models of the one I linked or anything.

I did exceedingly well with math through Calculus 3 and Differential Equations, and then faltered somewhat when I got into classes like Partial Differential Equations, Advanced Calculus, Calculus of Variations, etc. The reasons had absolutely nothing to do with ability. It was entirely, 100%...

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Eh? You mean like the VGA and HDMI ports in the picture? ;) That monitor in the link I posted has HDMI, VGA, and DVI ports...

In my opinion, the descriptions presented in Gifts Differing by Isabel and Peter Myers actually presents an F over T bias. This came across so strongly for me that I immediately suspected that each of Katharine Briggs, Isabel Myers, and Peter Myers must have been F types. I was correct. Author...

I'm using an Asus VW246H, and I'm happy with it. It did come with a single dead pixel, but my friend has one that was fine. I could have gotten it replaced with a good one, but I'm lazy and it rarely bothers me (; ...

All of the INTs I know (mixed bag of INTP/INTJ, and I include myself) are largely expressionless and have a hard time smiling on command. The three ENTPs I know smile more than most of my friends, and it comes across as genuine. The ENTJs I know are capable of smiling and do so often, but it...

You didn't, and that's not the point I was making. Essentially, I feel as though you made these "faces" out to be much more than they actually are, that's all. To my eyes, while there are certainly differences between every INFJ, I don't think they are substantial in such a way as to group them...

EyeSeeCold, your posts make me happy. I have major issues with the original post, and then I noticed that seemingly everyone loved it. Then I saw your post :D. This whole thing just seems off base to me. I accept and agree that cognitive functions will be developed in varying degrees amongst...

Imagine a shiny rock of wondrous power. The ENTP would want to do something with it, whereas the INTP might just be content to study it. I know, I know - I'm incredibly helpful. :D In a fight between an ENTP and INTP I regretfully admit that the ENTP would win. ENTPs are flashy and...

It doesn't matter, because the bucket BECAME the raisin, and whatever is outside of the bucket also became the raisin. Everything is the raisin. All hail the raisin. :gott0::gottwor:

PC->PS3->XBOX360->Wii Blizzard owns my soul. Black Isle Studios would be up there if they still made games.

Poor Melllvar is in denial about his brain rot. Tsk. Gets to the best of 'em...

I got my BS in physics and math and it doesn't do me any good, don't worry (; . Maybe if I had gone on to get a graduate degree that would be a different story. Anyways, your post wins this thread for me, so far. :applaus: I'm not sure I understand the original question posed by this thread...

Surely you jest... Currently I'm reading Ishmael, Varieties of Religious Experience, Gifts Differing, and a guitar music theory booklet.

Really? In my experience, understanding "randomness" has more to do with S/N than T/F. My ENFP roommate is great at understanding and going with any amount of randomness, but I find that ST types take it at face value and try to piece it apart. For example, you might say "dude, what if that...

I like to wear things that make sure I don't stand out. I like to look clean but not so preppy that I come off as trying to be preppy. So I'll wear things like plain or subtle t-shirts or long sleeve shirts, striped or plain button up shirts, a few patterned shirts, jeans or khaki's, cargo...

If you must FORCE me to prioritize based on ONLY the S/N and T/F functions, then for me it goes as follows: NT->NF->SF->ST including I/E and P/J: INTP->INTJ->INFJ->INFP->ENTP->ISFJ->ISFP->ISTP->ISTJ->ENFP->ESTP->ENFJ->ENTJ->ESFP->ESFJ->ESTJ Further explanation and reasoning below:

It would depend entirely on the nature of the relationship for me. If I went into it without strong feelings and knowing that it would be a polyamorous affair, then I think I would be ok with it (though perhaps not ideal). If, however, I had developed feelings first and then tried to work into...

A while back one of my friends told me a story that has a few similarities to this. They were staying at a friend's house and were sleeping. Somehow the friend's hamster escaped its cage and crawled on my friend's face. Without realizing what happened, they woke up, grabbed the hamster, and...

I LOVE this picture. What is it from?

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