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I see that you haven't read many interactions between the two types on internet forums. It wouldn't work out for anyone. Honestly, I'm not sure if sticking NTPs and NTJs in the same "temperament" (Keirsey's) just because we have the NT in common is a good idea. I get along with and can often...

That's a good way to put it Examples of coming to wrong conclusions about the environment?

I don't care what society does. It's the fact that we have no choice but to behave like good little SJ worker drones for 99% of our lives, unless we're extremely lucky. And you will always be measured by how good of an SJ you are (never by how good an INTP you are or anything like that)

Describes my experience perfectly. But I have been there almost 2 years. Every shift, I'm surprised I haven't been fired for, well, being an INTP in ESxJ land. But there's really nothing else for jobs here... You are stoned at work and nobody notices?

Oh, jeez, I need to start doing that. It feels like such a pain in the ass, though.

Welcome to the wonderful world of J types (especially the SJ types)

It just means you're an intuitive.

What is IS exactly? (I have a feeling I would like that one too)

Re: Ideal MBTI female companion for a male INTP How often are we talking, here? Anyway, types I have been known to get along with: NTP, ISTP, NFs of various kinds... But I don't really have much relationship history to extrapolate from, just past friendships.

Ah, the joys of being an INTP. You make this whole sex/orgy thingamabob sound so simple. :) (I thought that you were saying the author of the stupid book was giving this advice at first)

What system was it?

I disagree. J types are the ones I have the biggest problems with. Which areas of culture do you think we might be needed in?

What is this?

I'm not even sure what all the parts are, or how to understand them all enough to decide if a part is what I should look be looking into.

What might an analyst actually do? I tried googling analyst but it wasn't helpful. Taking things apart and analyzing them appeals to me much more than building silly things, though.

Yeah, I've arrived at this conclusion before. That's the position I've been in my entire life, with no end in sight... Trying to avoid the idiots can't possibly make things worse.

I don't think that liking someone's pheromones means they like yours.

I've considered studying Psychology a bit on my own time, but I'm not sure where to start.

I'm the same way. Hopefully it is reversible (though I'm still not sure where to begin)

Huh-wha? How could an NT not be a nerd? What do you mean by "nerd"? I wash, have a job (a minimum wage job, and one I'm not even suited for) and work-out a little. I remain a nerd. What is it that you think would "vanish"? Laziness?

Where are those ones? I'd like to see them. :P What kind of work was it?

I swear that I've read this exact same sentiment from every single INTJ to post in an INTP forum anywhere. Why do they all have this burning need to tell us that they are better than we are? Can't you losers just go away?

It's like INxJs have some bizarre compulsion to be a piece of shit to the type that has their first 3 letters but with a P.

You think that Te could possibly help the OP? Given that his problem is "people need the language of feeling, not information"...

Examples? Ah, Enneagram type 5. http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typefive.asp#.VStMfZOo24b http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFiveOverview.asp#.VStMfJOo24a The only thing to ever describe my personality and life as uncannily as INTP descriptions. Pretty much.

Yep. Only job I've ever had is fast food. Land of the SJs.

How do you know he was an INTP? Well, many of us are any combination of: clinically depressed, socially awkward, isolated, reclusive nerds.

Consider INTJ. What do you mean by this, and "intimate conversations" exactly? How can people even afford this? (especially if they're a student and have a shit ton of student debt) I don't think most of us (INTP) are the types who can even figure out where to start getting it

What did he say that was like that? What is that? I've never seen any "INTP vegan nazis"

Why that season? It always is.

I don't know about "SF side". I have Fe and I also have Si. Developing my Fe is very relevant to my ability to socialize properly. Si doesn't really have much to do with socializing, although developing it more would make me less unhealthy which would indirectly improve my socialization...

That stuff has never worked for me. I think it's for people who aren't depressed anyway.

TJ Things

Source? I can only find some Wii game called "de blob".

How INTJs view INTPs: http://intjforum.com/archive/index.php/t-2449.html How I view INTJs: They're the kind of people who say shit like the above quoted. They also tend to have some numbfuck attitude that anyone who cares about group harmony on some level (Fe users) is a weak piece of shit. I...

Yes, when we show our Ne :) (Fe would probably help too). The problem is being comfortable enough that I can allow my unconscious processes to take over while I'm around other people, which is currently impossible... Well, what did you do in the jobs where you didn't get fired for being weird...

Neither does any article, really. It's very difficult to escape the Ni-worship and general bias in favor of J's in MBTI related articles (as well as in real life). It's usually considered that Introverted Perceiving (or just Ni, if not Pi in general) tries to look at the "big picture" of all...

I enjoy thinking too much to bother with that. I actually discovered lucid dreaming on my own when I was like 8, and was surprised to learn it's a real thing several years later. It can't possibly help me deal with things like talking to or being interesting to women IRL though.

What makes someone good or bad at it?

Oh, I think the people who have inferior and (especially) tertiary Fi believe that just as deeply — perhaps much moreso :)

Haha true

The fact that there even are people you want to have relationships with (especially romantic) puts you miles ahead of me. I can't even meet or hold a conversation with anyone anywhere.

Yes, well, you're an INTP, rather than an NJ or NJ-admirer. Just read anything on the Internet comparing INTPs and INTJs (or xNxP to xNxJ or whatever).

Eh, just another NJ worshipper. When will this bias in favor of Ni users and against Ne users end?

Nobody describes INTPs as "generally quite confident".

You are confusing us with those NTJ things.

I have also noticed the incredible bias in favor of Ni (and also against Ne) in MBTI related articles. I often forget Ne (and NPs) are just completely uninspired randomness compared to the infinite holy vision that is Ni, until I read something online where INTJs describe what they think about...

Yeah, I've always thought that INTJs' stupid-fuck idea that INTPs are just broken versions of INTJs because they can't see "the big picture" was, well, stupid as fuck. (Of course whatever they think is "the big picture" is the only big picture that anyone could see!) Interesting that an INFJ...

Data can be fun.

I like it when SJs avoid my interests and hobbies.