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How are things in Indonesia? We don't hear much from there.
 

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it's easier to socialize with like-minded people
Saya bukan orang Indonesia, tetapi saya akan bersemangat untuk mencoba berkomunikasi dengan Anda. Saya bermimpi menjadi seorang polymath. Saya dari Amerika. Hal-hal apa yang ingin Anda diskusikan?

(I'm not Indonesian, but I'll be excited to try to communicate with you. I've dreamed of becoming a polymath. I'm from America. What things do you like to discuss?)
 

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@Tenacity

Do you have an Indonesian background, are you using google translate, or do you randomly speak a little Indonesian? :question:
 

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:desire: this is a surprise!
 

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my full name is nugraha anthoni najwa. i'm is real indonesian's. we are very minority here. i've discriminte cause my mind often different than other. are you know how to blend with other people?i'm looking for other indonesian intp's people. if you want to ask me some thing about indonesian, i can! but in fact i live in south borneo. education here directing me to be a polymath. just in college majors become more specific. in highschool just have two majors social and nature. junior higschool and elementary doesn't have any majors. for nine years we study at all.
 

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Sebagian besar dari kita di sini juga mengalami kesulitan menyesuaikan diri dengan orang-orang di sekitar kita. Bergaul dengan orang lain sangat sulit bagi saya. Bahkan ketika saya mencoba bersembunyi, saya hanya menonjol. Kita semua berpikir secara berbeda, tetapi itu menyatukan kita semua.

Jika Anda memiliki akses ke internet, Anda memiliki akses ke informasi tanpa batas. Anda dapat menggunakannya untuk keuntungan Anda untuk mempelajari apa pun yang Anda inginkan, di luar apa pun yang dapat disediakan sekolah Anda.

Kamu pikir kamu ingin menjadi apa di masa depan? Jurusan apa yang tersedia untuk Anda di perguruan tinggi?

(Most of us here also have a hard time fitting in with the people around us. Blending in with other people is very difficult for me. Even when I try to hide, I just stand out. We all think differently, but it brings us all together.

If you have access to the internet, you have access to limitless information. You can use it to your advantage to learn whatever you want, beyond whatever your school can provide.

What do you think you want to become in the future? What majors are available to you in college?)
 

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People often use difficult language, here. Maybe hard to understand, but I hope you stay on the forum. I am sure your English will get better.

About blending with other people: I try to accept that I am different. It is not easy. I have a quite intense appearance (that INTJ death stare), so before I even speak, people asume I am different. My advice is: walk with a straight back, and remember who you are. People might see you differently, but don't become what they think you are. Try not to become too angry with society although they discriminate against you. That will just make it harder to blend.

And practise English! If you speak English, you can always find like-minded people online!

Welcome to the forum

@Tenacity Thanks for translating your post
 

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thank's for your'e advice @Marbles i'll do it. @Tenacity , I'm still confused about what department I want to go to. my interest is biography, environmental science and fisheries biology. the fact that I was still in high school and was majoring in nature and had a weakness in counting but was offset by my ability to theory. I'm really confused. for a while, I had the goal of entering the high school of meteorology, climatology and geophysics (STMKG). I have no further ideas I just surrender to God
 

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Kami juga menyukai teori. Kami berteori tentang mata pelajaran seperti sains, teknologi, filsafat, dan banyak mata pelajaran lainnya. Saya juga terkadang mengalami kesulitan dalam matematika ketika saya masih muda, tetapi saya selalu pandai teknologi karena saya menerapkan pemikiran teoretis, seperti Anda sendiri.

Jika Anda ingin berpartisipasi dalam utas lainnya, Anda bisa! Jika Anda tidak mengerti sesuatu, Anda bisa bertanya kepada kami dan kami akan mencoba menjelaskan dengan lebih jelas kapan kami bisa. Anda dapat menggunakan forum ini untuk menjelajahi subjek mana yang paling Anda sukai.

Pernahkah Anda mendengar tentang Elon Musk? Tujuannya adalah mengirim kapal roket pertama ke Mars. Dia berpikir menggunakan "Prinsip Berpikir Pertama", yang merupakan cara berpikir berdasarkan kerangka fisika. Anda dapat menggunakannya untuk memecahkan masalah dan menemukan solusi.

"Prinsip Berpikir Pertama" bermanfaat ketika Anda memiliki objek di depan Anda, dan Anda ingin membuatnya lebih baik. Misalnya, jika Anda memiliki kapal roket dan ingin membuatnya lebih baik, lebih kuat, lebih murah, dan dapat digunakan kembali, ada baiknya "mendekonstruksi" sebelum Anda "merekonstruksi". "Mendekonstruksi" berarti "Lihat seberapa jauh Anda bisa membayangkan memecah benda menjadi bagian-bagian yang unik", dan kemudian, "Merekonstruksi" berarti "Bayangkan menyatukan kembali bagian-bagian unik" dan (dalam hal ini) menyatukan mereka kembali dengan tujuan menciptakan kapal roket yang lebih baik dan lebih kuat dari kapal roket asli. Anda dapat bertanya pada diri sendiri, "Bagaimana saya akan mendekonstruksi ini?" dan kemudian "Bagaimana saya akan merekonstruksi ini?". Tentu saja, membangun roket dalam kenyataan sangat kompleks, tetapi ini adalah contoh dari penerapan pemikiran teoretis pada fisika dunia nyata, jika Anda tertarik.

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(We also like theory. We theorize about subjects such as science, technology, philosophy, and many other subjects. I also sometimes had difficulty in mathematics when I was young, but I was always good at technology because I applied theoretical thinking, like yourself.

If you want to participate in the other threads, you can! If you don't understand something, you can ask us and we will try to explain more clearly when we can. You can use this forum to explore which subjects you like the most.

Have you ever heard of Elon Musk? His goal is to send the first rocket ship to Mars. He thinks using "First Principles Thinking", which is a way of thinking based on a physics framework. You can use it to solve problems and find solutions.

"First Principles Thinking" is helpful when you have an object in front of you, and you want to make it better. For example, if you have a rocket ship and you want to make it better, stronger, cheaper, and reusable, it is good to "deconstruct" before you "reconstruct". "Deconstructing" means "See how far you can imagine breaking the object into unique parts", and then, "Reconstructing" means "Imagine reuniting the unique parts" and (in this case) reuniting them for the purpose of creating rocket ships that are better and stronger than the original rocket ship. You can ask yourself, "How will I deconstruct this?" and then "How will I reconstruct this?". Of course, building rockets in reality is very complex, but this is an example of the applying theoretical thinking to real-world physics, if you are interested.)
 

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Mee!! I literally thought that was the only Indonesian in this forum.
 

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Mee!! I literally thought that was the only Indonesian in this forum.
I guess I'm alone. omg, you were here first, but where are you for five months!
I was lurking the forum, just reading stuff and not really replying anything. Funny thing is I've met several people that can rudimentarilly speak Indonesian but never an actual Indonesian..
So where're you from? Gw dari Jakarta.
 

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Currently not in Jakarta, the last time I've been there was before the whole Corona Pandemic (Left in mid march), Gw denger dari temen-temen gwa klo jalan di Jakarta mulai sepi, sejak PSBB beberapa jalan utama di Jakarta Selatan mulai ditutup. So I guess I'm not going there anytime soon.

So are you originally from Kalimantan? How is it going in Kalimantan with the pandemic?
 

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yeah, I'm a native Kalimantan. the situation here is quite changing. at least people start wearing masks. every school had school fromght now. tapi ada keganjilan disini, walau pemerintah tidak mengungumkan ada orang yang terinfeksi corona di kabupatenku, tapi sudah ada yang dikubur. yang membuat ganjil, penguburannya sesuai sop covid19. semua bukti foto di facebook atau media lain sudah dihapus daam waktu kurang dari 24 jam. i'm so afraid indonesia become cluster bomb.
 

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The cases of Covid 19 in Indonesia is definitely under reported, cover up pemerintah + lack of testing kit jadi masalahnya, kita ODP aja udah diatas 100,000 orang, we also have the highest mortality rate for positive patient 8%. Yang bikin gwa worried itu lack of medical infrastructure di daerah, klo kasusnya udh severe butuh special ventilator for patients, something I doubt most daerah have. Pemerintah juga kurang tegas. Permenkes PSBB gak punya ancaman pidana. Masalahnya pemerintah don't want karantina wilayah/lockdown walau ada UUnya. Very incompetent from the government.

Orang Indonesia juga keras kepala banget. So you're in University, What do you major in? How's all this covid pandemic affected your study btw?
 

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nope, not yet. still study in high school. XI,MIPA. study while corona season? i feeling bless. everyday only one mapel. mid term? everything was changed. UAS diganti sama soal essay yang open book! kapan lagi dapat yg kyk gini?
I used all of this to learn something that wasn't learned in school. as engineering or programming besides that I also have to complete my research assignments. just a little more i have finish.
other than that, nothing change.
how about you?
 

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have to complete my research assignments. just a little more i have finish.
other than that, nothing change.
how about you?
I study Law in UI. Everyday I have a zoom session of certain mata kuliah. They seem to give us 5X the homework so I stay up really late almost everyday, and some UTSes have very open ended question that you have about a week to fill and require tons of research with various books. So irregular sleeping paterns is something usual. With the Corona Pandemic I'm stuck home, jadwal biasanya berorientasi terhadap Main game-belajar-makan-tidur.

So are you planning to go to University after High School? Maybe a PTN in Java?
 

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Oh so you're also from the angkatan 2019???Nice to meet you too. Your friend Tashafa she is in Law Faculty?

I've actually lived in Batam for one and a half year on seventh grade. Went to SMP Kartini there and moved to Tanjung Pinang for two years. I miss going to Nagoya Mall and Kepri Mall lol.

BTW what do you major in?
 

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Oh so you're also from the angkatan 2019???Nice to meet you too. Your friend Tashafa she is in Law Faculty?

I've actually lived in Batam for one and a half year on seventh grade. Went to SMP Kartini there and moved to Tanjung Pinang for two years. I miss going to Nagoya Mall and Kepri Mall lol.

BTW what do you major in?
Yes, I'm also in angkatan 2019. Yes, Tasyafa Aleysia, a 2019 law faculty kid. It is said she is your angkatan's mascot

I see. There is a lot of differences in Batam now. Still remember that Top 100, near BCS? It's renovated and became Grand Batam, much bigger than Kepri Mall. Maybe you can drop by sometimes if you happen to visit Batam. And also better roads

I major in physics, maybe will take peminatan fisika medis. But as an INTP I am always confused with myself lol :V
 

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Hmmm, I her name doesn't ring a bell, she must be from the Reguler program yes?
Maybe I'll visit Kepri once in a while in the future, I miss going to Singapore on weekdays by speedboats, something that's basically impossible from living in Jakarta.
I think it's a common trait to be indecisive as an INTP since we consider all variable in a choice, same applies as me.. ;P. So how's the Perkuliahan jarak Jauh affected your uni study?
 

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Hmmm, I her name doesn't ring a bell, she must be from the Reguler program yes?
Maybe I'll visit Kepri once in a while in the future, I miss going to Singapore on weekdays by speedboats, something that's basically impossible from living in Jakarta.
I think it's a common trait to be indecisive as an INTP since we consider all variable in a choice, same applies as me.. ;P. So how's the Perkuliahan jarak Jauh affected your uni study?
Yes she is from Reguler program.

Perkuliahan Jarak Jauh is, tormenting at it's finest XD. I dislike it, as it allows me to be irregular, and I am in Fe grip (btw I am 9w1), therefore my Ti-Ne-Si functions are somehow compromised. Additionally Laprak (Laporan Praktikum) made my day worse where they expect us to continue doing lab reports in handwritten form and send it in pdf format. It's tormenting and idk how many assignments I had missed due to that laprak. This semester's gonna be bad :v

And some professors are bad - like my Matdas II professor who never explained anything, but instead applied something like: no teaching, just answer a question and we'll call it a day. I don't know what will happen to my grades anymore after missing like many questions (meaning treated as absent) due to me being dumb (funny cause INTPs are stereotypically good at math)

In short, regular studying is much better XD

2020 is such a bad year :)
 

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Oh yeah? I actually think the contrary, the paralel program in Law Faculty begin in 2 PM, so it gives me leisure to go night owl nearly everyday, and there's nearly no risk of being late. Sometimes in PJJ our class is mixed with reguler program and start at 10AM and I have a hard time waking up.

I definitely prefer face to face perkuliahan but I guess PJJ have it's bright side, UTSes in my faculty have a very open ended questions and have about a week to write down, you got to do research on various books to answer them but you can collaborate with your peers. Some Matkul UTS have gform and google classroom format (Classic PG and essay with timer) so you can literally line call with friends while working XD, I look at it as a loop hole to get good scores XD. Some professsor are old school so I guess they aren't familiar with the PJJ system so he uses WA Messanger to write down the materials for a meeting lol, the constant barrage of PR is definitely the downside. Being stuck at home is defintely unpreferable but I guess it can be mitigated with tons of DOTA and books. I think our with the Ti function being indoor isn't that bad.

Ehh, I'm also average at math, INTPs are analytical but not automatically intelligent, It's also interesting that we have different Enneagram result, mines type 5. I'm also more leaning toward the Se function despite being an INTP.
 

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Oh yeah? I actually think the contrary, the paralel program in Law Faculty begin in 2 PM, so it gives me leisure to go night owl nearly everyday, and there's nearly no risk of being late. Sometimes in PJJ our class is mixed with reguler program and start at 10AM and I have a hard time waking up.

I definitely prefer face to face perkuliahan but I guess PJJ have it's bright side, UTSes in my faculty have a very open ended questions and have about a week to write down, you got to do research on various books to answer them but you can collaborate with your peers. Some Matkul UTS have gform and google classroom format (Classic PG and essay with timer) so you can literally line call with friends while working XD, I look at it as a loop hole to get good scores XD. Some professsor are old school so I guess they aren't familiar with the PJJ system so he uses WA Messanger to write down the materials for a meeting lol, the constant barrage of PR is definitely the downside. Being stuck at home is defintely unpreferable but I guess it can be mitigated with tons of DOTA and books. I think our with the Ti function being indoor isn't that bad.

Ehh, I'm also average at math, INTPs are analytical but not automatically intelligent, It's also interesting that we have different Enneagram result, mines type 5. I'm also more leaning toward the Se function despite being an INTP.
I see. Here, our parallel program shares the same schedule with us. I will like it if the courses in the afternoon.

Maybe here's the difference, as our faculty has really closed questions. Maybe that's why I am confused. But yeah you're right in peer collaboration. There is a big loophole :V. I feel bad for constantly asking my fellow INTPs tho XD. Due to these sometimes my Fi demon took over me when I listen to Hymne UI. Well nothing particular but I feel I do stuffs not good enough :v

And idk how many assignments I have skipped. I know it's bad but I'll try

I am personally okay with being home (Ixxx people unite). I'm probably just.... miss the food. At January, when I went back to Batam, our car crashes and I couldn't eat all the food I like XD, and now it's the same condition. No, mom is particulary picky on the costs if it comes to food delivery

Leaning towards Se function is something surprising tho, as it is said to be the most blinded function of INTPs
 

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have to complete my research assignments. just a little more i have finish.
other than that, nothing change.
how about you?
I study Law in UI. Everyday I have a zoom session of certain mata kuliah. They seem to give us 5X the homework so I stay up really late almost everyday, and some UTSes have very open ended question that you have about a week to fill and require tons of research with various books. So irregular sleeping paterns is something usual. With the Corona Pandemic I'm stuck home, jadwal biasanya berorientasi terhadap Main game-belajar-makan-tidur.

So are you planning to go to University after High School? Maybe a PTN in Java?
yes, that's the plan. I hope to enter PTN in Java. whether it's at UI, ITB, IPB, UB, UIN Malang or maybe at other universities.
the problem is, I still haven't found my passion. I usually see something new, and then hold the title and then leave it for something new. my mathematical ability is weak. but I am interested in physics but only in theory without being interested in complex calculations. and biology, geology, archeology or others. I usually only pursue the field and change every three to one year. lately I am interested in programming, before with fisheries and again with geography, before with history ....
I have a big problem in making a decision
at least I can keep getting ready. I have participated in free online TO several times.
can you give me advice? it is very valuable
 

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I still haven't found my passion
I advise you using rencanamu.id to find your passion.

I was confused on a few choices too, ranging from mechanical engineering to Russian literature. But this website helped me in finding what I actually wanted. There are a few assessment which can range from a few minutes to an hour, plus a few recommendations on university and degrees.

It costs a bit (IDR 79.000 when I bought the premium package) but I used it and found it well spent.

P.S. Always remember that passion > university.
 

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my mathematical ability is weak
I would suggest you to use zenius.net, it helps me a lot, not just in math, but also various subjects. Physics, math, biology, history, chemistry, etc, etc.

Sabda PS (the founder) as I see is probably an INTP, too. His ideas and analogies help a lot and are conceptual, and is 180 degrees different than that of conventional tuitions who uses lots of formulas. I passed SBMPTN using it.

And much more cheaper than it's counterpart Ruangguru (no hate).
 

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I still haven't found my passion
Same here, I was even confused on which major I should register in SBMPTN and later my SIMAK, I just picked economy and/or Law for SIMAK since they seem to be the major that has the widest and most flexible profession scope after graduation for IPS. How I got into law was a matter of chance anyway. I was interested in Paleontology and astronomy since I was little but realized it was probably wasn't the field with the best chance of getting a job in Indonesia, my math is pretty standard so wouldn't get me anywhere in SAINTEK. So I chose IPS instead of IPA.

I also had tried learning to program with python, but since college I hadn't the chance to continue. Pretty interesting but took to much of my time. I think to develop passion for certain things you need to try and experience them first. Law was something that was didn't piqued my attention the slightest.

So my advice is stick to something you're interested in, while thinking about the job opportunity of the major. And try hard to get the best grade so you can get to a PTN.
 
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