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Avoiding infatuation

Grayman

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I apologize, I'm picking through this, and I can't seem to grasp what you are getting at. I'm not even sure if what you wrote was directed to me.

You were saying that the problem exists in a core belief. Then you defined that belief. I produced another version of that belief based on what I have observed. I also indicated a reasoning used for validating that belief but then I stated why I disagree with that reasoning.

Many assumptions were made on my part but it was the best I could get from what I have seen as an outside observer.

Society does promote this idea.

It is close to your version of the core belief but I felt this to be more accurate in defining the exact problem for Variform.
 

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You were saying that the problem exists in a core belief. Then you defined that belief. I produced another version of that belief based on what I have observed. I also indicated a reasoning used for validating that belief but then I stated why I disagree with that reasoning.

Many assumptions were made on my part but it was the best I could get from what I have seen as an outside observer.

Society does promote this idea.

It is close to your version of the core belief but I felt this to be more accurate in defining the exact problem for Variform.

Oh ok. We are on the same page.

:p

Also, would just like to note, that I'm not proposing that we should never fall in love or be in a relationship. Living together or getting married to someone with a manageable and solid relationship with someone you intimately love could definitely enhance well-being, and resilience in life.

But there is so much more a person could do to enrich their life, and I propose that it is best to do so before getting into a serious relationship. Also, it helps to become less dependent on finding love.
 

Variform

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@Variform & Rudolph

Please excuse my ignorance. I had no idea that the severity of the situation was that large. I also noticed that I do have that problem of assuming too much similarities between myself and other people. I have been in a rough situation with the emotions of love before, and the description you both expressed of the turmoil inside, did strike a resemblance.

Yeah, I need a genuine C.G. Jung to analyze me.

I am a little bit lucky, in a way, because I find I only get romantically attracted to about 1 out of a hundred people (maybe, even less).

You meet that many people? They did research on that, how many people you actually know in life. I should look it up, but it seems I fall for a woman quite easily. I think we all have preferences. But I believe I have a very specific set of triggers that connect to my core, or something - I don't know what it is. Maybe it is facial features or this mystery atmosphere a girl can have. There is something about these girls that instantly hits me in the knees.

It is like genetic preferential programming. It is as if god scanned me for what my preferences would be and then tinkered with the genes of a woman when being conceived to be perfect for me.

It is not feromonal or not always at least. My psyche seems to hold a certain set of perfect preferences for women and any part of the set, being a nose, lips, eyes etc. mixed in with random features of a woman increases exponentially my response. The more set parts, the higher she scores. I found the perfect woman this year. She has the whole set it seems. I can find no flaw in her and...I feel that...feeling for an INTP like me... it is like a song called 'When a blind man cries' by Axel Rudi Pell, '...there ain't no sadder tears...' its like the last verse of The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe, 'And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor, Shall be lifted - nevermore!'

As you can see, just talking about this immediately forces out poetry, song and melodramatic exaggeration. My Fe side is so heavily immature and undeveloped I have no concept or grasp let alone control over it. So I think I may be suffering in that I am in a constant struggle to be my natural INTP and yet when hit with the specific beauty of a woman all rationality goes out the window and...bang! The fight for control begins again, between my primary function and Fe.

It feels strange to analyze myself like this, but that is in fact thus one side of the battle, the other side will make me want to kill myself in loneliness then. And when I give into melodrama and let flow sexual energy into it, I relflex back to rationality in an attempt to reach a primary function status quo again.

My days are spend this way and have been since last December.



It would be interesting to explore the differences between us. Why is it that this turmoil only lasts, at worst, two months for me, and with you, a prolonged while longer? Also, I feel very content spending the rest of my life without a romantic partner (this is not because I hate being with people, and also, I am not emotionally detached). I think that there must be something helpful found in the differences between your loneliness, and my lack of it.

The difference is that assuming you have no mental illness, I am crazy. I am disturbed in a Jungian sense. Again I conjure up an image. The film Seven, with Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt, when the latter asks the captured murderer if he actually realizes he is insane (as he does something very icky). My StPD plays an important role in all this. And emotional neglect as a kid as well.
The other difference is obvious: I desperately need love in my life and you may not need it so badly, but YOU assumably love yourself enough as compensation whereas I have precious little self-esteem and self-worth.

I am INTP sometimes I think because I can ruthlessly analyze myself. But maybe I am just "What if all these fantasies, Come flailing around, Now I've said too much." as in REM's song.
 

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The psychologist and therapists have found that a big difference between the two people, was their core assumptions and beliefs. Cognitive Behavioural Therapy has been used, and has successfully helped many people change their perception and beliefs, and thus helped manage emotions and anxiety.

StPD descriptions usually state that these people do not come into therapy voluntarily usually. More like when they get depressed they come into contact with doctors.
I have anxieties about therapies. Because they might work. In the same way I was always afraid my job applications would turn out 'positive'. I did not want to be hired.

There is a deep seated fear to be able to handle issues better. I wonder what is so scary and so fundamental that I resist change and rather live like this than deal with anything and taking responsibility. :ahh: What do you think? Was I raped as a baby or something?

So I'm guessing, (just guessing), that there is one differing core belief, between people who are very lonely, and people who are very content being by themselves. And I'm thinking that it sounds like this:

"I cannot be happy, unless I have someone to share my life with".

I think it might be helpful to really question that belief. Pick it apart, and actually get a realistic perspective of it.

I want to be happy any which way, but I have no idea why a fantastic partner is so important to me. Maybe like I said before, since I cannot really love myself or come to terms with myself, I need someone else to shore me up, to validate me, as I have little self-worth. I am really no good to anyone much. In the scheme of things I am nobody, even tough I realize deeply that no one can live my life like I can, the life isn't particularly funny or interesting. I am unique, just like anybody else.

I am no good to myself mostly. I can shrug off for a large chunk the notion that I am a parasite on society. That tax payers are paying for my bills. I didn't ask to turn out this way, so...deal with it. Thanks to me you can feel better about yourself for your solidarity. We have each other by the balls, tax payers.

But being no good to myself is painful. Could I do something 'productive' if only to get some remote sense of accomplishment? Perhaps. But I am not able to do much. Maybe medicine will help me after I get a ADD dx.

So maybe I could be good to someone else, a woman I can pour a cosmos filled with love into. Perhaps through how I would make a woman feel, I can gain a sense of usefulness. It is not how it should work, shrinks will say. That 'you need to love yourself first before you can love anyone else, really'.

Skunk shit if you ask me. I don't wish to see it that way. Why can't it be like that my intense feelings will heal me when properly expressed and shared?

In so many people, their psyche is a house of cards, waiting to topple when the least transgression is made. If my loving of a woman shores me up and causing forevermore no mental issues or derailments, then I'll accept the shoring as part of myself, an psycho-emotional wheelchair, or being like Star Trek's Data's mother's, who believes she is a human, but actually is an android, like Data himself.

What if...I really need a lover and a life partner, someone who loves the fuck out of me to become who I can be as a glorious human on Earth? How is it that psychiatry would insist that I need to be selfish first, before being selfless with a lover?

Why can't I selflessly adore a woman first and then be rewarded with self respect?

What worth is life when spent alone? Solitary activities that satisfy only yourself. How dare I keep myself from that woman who would love me so much? Some people, like christians, would say 'You cannot take your life, you don't have the right, because life is wonderful and because others have it so much worse than you do.'Life or love, what difference does it make then?

I don't know. If I had real answers I wouldn't be in this topic. Should I avoid infatuation? If so, I cannot ever leave my home again, cause throughout my life I have not seen particularly many females. Just the average, the usual quota of what you may expect in schools and at work, or going to work in traffic. And yet wherever I am, there can just spring up that featured girl...:phear:
 

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Well, There's too much to read here. I got up to Variforms post about his family and other issues and that was pretty messed up. Keep your head up bro. I get in times where I feel like life couldn't possibly be a harder thing to suffer through. Most times I feel great about all the things my given senses are delivering. Air, site, sounds, etc... Life really is an amazing thing.

However, I can identify with the OP. Girls are my passion. They keep me "Alive." I spent my whole life being obsessive and infatuated with girls. I remember my mom taking me to a friends house who had a girl my age. I can very specifically remember my whole behavior changing at the very site of this girl. I WAS ONLY 5 YEARS OLD!!
I remember so many instances of this happening. School was nothing more than obsessing over girls for 8 hours. Because it was my passion I was able to get close enough to a good amount of them and I did pretty well. in 4th grade I had my first real "I have a crush on you specifically" relationship. I brought my class picture home and drew a hart around her head. My mom was like really? 4th grade?? That didn't go far. I think we were just to young. In 5th grade I had my first girlfriend. That didn't go very far either.

I'm 32 and married with kids now. I'm still the exact same way.
 

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Do you still look at women? All during my relationship I wasn't allowed. Some couples are okay with it. They make no big deal of it. But my gf trained me to keep my eyes in my pocket. The slightest look would make her suspicious.
 
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