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Bad people (but not Villains)

PaulMaster

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Does anyone here know or associate with bad people? Using whatever criteria you like for "bad".

I heard from a cousin of mine last night. It's been a year or so since I last talked to him. Apparently he spent the last few months in jail and he just got out. He was arrested for possession of drugs - various pills and some weed - and guns (which are not illegal, but apparently you cant have guns and drugs at the same time). He was telling me the story about how he came to have the police at his door step. So, the guns he had on him at the time the police showed up, he bought them from a prostitute he knows. He said he buys guns from her all the time. But this time, she sold him stolen guns. The guys she stole them from wanted them back, obviously, so they tracked him down and demanded them be returned. Basically he told them to fuck off which led to shots being exchanged. Nobody was hit, but he said he ducked down onto the floor and could hear bullets flying overhead inside his house. My cousin emptied one gun - 6 shots - and fired 3-4 shots with another. Cops were called, obviously, they came out and took a few pictures of the bullet holes in his house, offered their sympathies for being shot at, then left. His landlord promptly kicked him out of the house. Obviously. He then had to go stay with his mother - my aunt - until he could find another place. While he was there, the police showed up looking for his brother - my other cousin (who is a much worse dude, btw, but I rarely talk to him at all) - but he answered the door with a gun in his waistband and all strung out on pills. They took him in...obviously.

This whole situation is just more of the same for my cousin. He's been selling drugs for about his whole adult life. He always has some kind of stolen property he's trying to sell (which I dont think he steals, I think he trades drugs for merchandise and sells it off). He'll be like "hey man, I got these brand new electric drills for sale, man. Brand new, in the box!". He's told me stories about people breaking into his house more than once. Once he told me they caught him asleep, so they tied him up while they ransacked his house and stole all his drugs and whatnot. He's told me he's been in multiple shootouts. He knows and associates with prostitutes and other similar characters.

I decided some time ago that I would never go to his house again. There's no way I'm getting caught up in something. No fucking way, man. When I was younger, I used to go to raves and mess around with drugs. But I've never been a real criminal. Never been in any shootouts. Never met a prostitute. Never stole a car or anything like that.

So it got me thinking, does anyone here know or associate with "bad" people? Gangsters or thugs or murderers, even? Share your experience here.
 

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A cousin of mine had abortion three times with, I believe, three different girls. His parents, (my aunt) doesn't know a thing. One abortion I'd understand, a second time a bit hesitant, but a third? Not sure if this is like on the level of bad that's in the story of yours, but yeah. (Crazy story btw, sort of makes you scratch your head)

A really weird story would be of a friend of mine who grew up in Thailand. Her parents were missionaries there, and one day an ethnic Korean began to attend service and to be generally involved with the church. After some time there were suspicions raised in the church that this might be a North Korean agent (by the other Koreans). Apparently he disappeared after the Thai authorities were involved. My friend supposes that he tried to kidnap her or her younger siblings, either for money or to bring back to North Korea. o_O
 

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I have associated with such people when I was around younger. I was never involved in any criminal activity, but I grew up, walked away and never looked back.
 

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I'm on friendly terms with a few rebels, anti-globalists and drug users, although I wouldn't associate with a dealer. I think propagating drugs for profit lies definitely in the villainous category.

I've also met a few active cult followers, all of them crazy and I avoid them for the most part.

There's so many criminals on every step of social ladder that any moderately sociable person had to meet a member of organised crime group at least a couple of times, mostly being unaware they did.

Generally I'm very quick to break my ties with people I barely know, one thing I dislike is enough to never try to associate with them again. As a result most of those I'd call "bad" don't make it to my list of acquaintances.
 

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No. I live in a peaceful part of the world.

A good rule of thumb is that a crime no one knows about, is not a crime.
 

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Actively associate with? No. They drag you into it.

My parents were/are both drug dealers, though only mj. I've lived with three other drug dealers (two hard drugs), and those guys are messed up. A few friends ended up in jail too. No shoot outs or anything like that, though at one point I did have to get on the phone and play attorney for my drugfucked roomie against his predatory dealer. The same dealer later showed up with a van full of muscle in an unrelated incident to push another associate out of the drug game (and last I heard they stayed out) - glad I was measured in my chat, otherwise I could have invited similar.

It's a really brutal thing to be around, or it can be. It's the sort of thing where you can be pulled in just by being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Where I live things are pretty peaceful, I have the option to avoid this nonsense, so I do. I'm okay being around dealers who just sell to their friends, but if they've got an iota of ambition I'm out.
 

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That sort of stuff is common place amongst my associates... Not my associates by choice, but just the peeps I grew up around or with. I know about 25 drug dealers, 20 alcoholics, known two people to be shot dead, 3 hung, 2 beaten, about 5 stabbed, my dad was in and out of prison, as were a few aunts and uncles and countless others. Most people I know either smoke weed, drink or take amphetamines.

Sounds worse than it is. My family and our associates are old school...
A million miles from these posh London portrayals you see on the TV..
More like Manchesters 'Shameless'.
 
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I live in a house where drug use is rampant. I tend not to categorize people who us illicit substances as 'bad,' however, since I myself indulge from time to time, though psychedelics and weed are my go-to's rather than amphetamines. Imo, it's only appropriate to label someone 'bad' if they are harming others in some way, rather than just themselves. I'm aware that my moral compass is somewhat skewed but i don't see anything majorly wrong with even dealing drugs. Afterall, the buyers will acquire their drugs somehow so why does the medium through which they do this matter?


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Imo, it's only appropriate to label someone 'bad' if they are harming others in some way, rather than just themselves.

I agree with this. Actually, I dont really believe in "badness" as its own thing. Its a judgement we apply to the world based on our own personal values. It's an admittedly lazy title.
 

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I live in a house where drug use is rampant. I tend not to categorize people who us illicit substances as 'bad,' however, since I myself indulge from time to time, though psychedelics and weed are my go-to's rather than amphetamines. Imo, it's only appropriate to label someone 'bad' if they are harming others in some way, rather than just themselves. I'm aware that my moral compass is somewhat skewed but i don't see anything majorly wrong with even dealing drugs. Afterall, the buyers will acquire their drugs somehow so why does the medium through which they do this matter?


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Your moral compass isn't screwed, it's calibrated by exposure to reality.

The biggest moral flaw in your post is the appeal to judgmental norms inherent in your rhetorical concession.
 
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Your moral compass isn't screwed, it's calibrated by exposure to reality.



The biggest moral flaw in your post is the appeal to judgmental norms inherent in your rhetorical concession.


So are you saying morals are completely subjective, in which case the morality of murder and other such typically frowned upon things are just matters of opinion?


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So are you saying morals are completely subjective, in which case the morality of murder and other such typically frowned upon things are just matters of opinion?


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I think this.
 

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So are you saying morals are completely subjective, in which case the morality of murder and other such typically frowned upon things are just matters of opinion?

Morals are, by definition, subjective. For that matter, anything that's frowned upon is, by definition, a matter of opinion. Your question was worded poorly.
 

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Your moral compass isn't screwed, it's calibrated by exposure to reality.

The biggest moral flaw in your post is the appeal to judgmental norms inherent in your rhetorical concession.

The biggest problem I see is that it degrades life rather than affirming life. It is a slow suicide.
 

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So are you saying morals are completely subjective, in which case the morality of murder and other such typically frowned upon things are just matters of opinion?


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No, i'm saying that your accepting drug business is not a matter of screwed moral compass.
 
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