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Hello fellow INTPs (and those whom find us interesting),
Upon being introduced to the MBTI about a year ago, I found that my overall perception of human interaction evolved radically. Subsequently, this also shattered most of the foundational aspects of how I construct my perceived reality. Thusly, after a year of existential turmoil, I decided to try to find people who think like me, as most people I know have labeled me into the "space cadet" category.

Mostly, though, I've found a growing intolerance for mindless drivel, or, well, anything based upon a sensory experience. I simply find these activites and discussions boring. I don't care what Rhianna is wearing, though I do like exploring why it is people like it - the problem is most people are not proficient in describing functions of color theory/form/texture and simply amount things like "like and dislike". Furthermore, I am pursuing my education at a Conservatory and thusly deal with heinous amounts of interaction with SJ types. Ultimately there are very few people around who understand me, let alone the people who can successfully communicate back to me.

While my initial struggles with this social exclusion have been painful, my existence is shifting much more into my Introversion. Foundationally I believe that we live in a lie of the senses and that many people experience these senses as perceptions. Of course, we need not be restricted by such folly, as the brain can see, hear, and manipulate things that do not exist in front of us. Scientificaly, even, humans have come to accept that our senses are limited to a spectrum of human existence. This Human Sensation then, which I reject as arrogance (when taking the form of 'this is what we sense, and reality is only what our senses tell us) then my very intellectual foundation is hinged apart from the very thing that allows most people to function without being overwhelmed by the infinite. Here is an excerpt from some of my philosophical ramblings:

Sense: Then, answer me at least, what did you see of that marble if you talk any truth?
Perception: I did not see the marble at all. I saw the shadow of a sphere
which became a planet which became a water droplet falling from a fountain, surrounded by droplets of its like - all falling and becoming one in the fountain’s basin.

Anyway, for those of you who care less about my philosophical ramblings here's a list of things about me.

Name: Tom

Age: Physically 21, almost 22.

Education: Engineering (2 Years) Opera (2 years, ongoing)

Hobbies:
~Instruments (Clarinet, Sax, Oboe, Flute, Guitar, Piano)
~Composition (Neo-Romantic, Mystic, Exploratory)
~Improvisation as a vessel of the subconsious
~Visual Art (Color Theory, Form, Implied Form/Line, Abstraction as Poetry)
~Languages (Spanish, basic: German, Italian, French)
~Linguistics (especially applications of declentions)
~Math (especially sacred geometry/ratios, calculus, and the implication of math as Logic upon various phiosophical ponderings)
~Philosophy
~Poetry (especially Phisolophy as Poetry)
~Gaming (especially deconstructing battle systems/balance; perhaps I enjoy this more than actually playing the game)

Favorite Animals:
~Red Pandas

~Dolphins (imagine the perception of a Dolphin. Try it. Turn in a circle and represent your sensory input as a wireframe. Construct this wireframe in its entirety in your head until you can freely rotate/manipulate it. Upons this hightened sense of space, imagine if this was your default input and how powerful the Dophin's processor must be)

~Dogs (one of the few things that peg me into this sensory existence...but they're so cute =D)


Quirks:
~Chronic Anxiety

~OCD (manifest through compulsive thought patterns)
~ex: When driving, I instinctively see cars as force diagrams and plot their route and all possible routes, detecting a plethora of possible collisions at any given time. This makes driving rather unpleasant.

~Body Alignment (I do this all the time, it grants me solace in this world as the concentration needed to realign the spine and remove subconsious tension from the body is immense. Also, by unlocking these places in the body, I have unlocked more areas to relate to information allowing more space to map complex processes to more specific bodily sensations. Full body alignement is thusly a mysic experience for me that verges on the infinite of the subconsious)

Well, this self-indulgent post went on far too long. If anybody is interested enough to read the post in its entirety, I applaud you.
 

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If anybody is interested enough to read the post in its entirety, I applaud you.

Not really. I read a little over half, but not quite 2/3rds, and on top of that I read most of it backwards. The part about dolphin's sensory inputs was interesting. Anyway, my point is: welcome, greetings, salutations, etc.!
 

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YOU USED THUSLY THREE TIMES IN ONE POST. THREE. TIMES.

Now you must die.
 

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I never use thusly. I should. Thusly I will.
 

CLOfriendOSE

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I like the word thusly. I suppose I could write alternatives, but "as such" does not linguistically feel the same. The concept of linking logical patterns to one another in a specific fashion is used so frequently that I choose to use a single word to express the idea.

Are there a lot of INTJs on this forum? ;) Been noticing a lot of grammar and spelling nazis around.
 

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Since when aren't INTPs grammar and spelling Nazis?
 

CLOfriendOSE

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Since when aren't INTPs grammar and spelling Nazis?

I attribute the harsh judgment/preconcieved notion of a system as absolute a part of being a J. Why would it be something a P would do?

An INTP being meticulous over use of language I can definitely see. But I cannot see an INTP being judging of another's use of an obviously limited medium of thought.
 

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Don't start throwing around ellipses like you need to pause for thought every five seconds and cheese probably won't murder you in your sleep. You can never be sure with her though.

Welcome. I hope you do not bore of this place too soon. I am enjoying your predilection for the word "furthermore".
 

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Furthermore I would thusly pontificate upon the stark ramifcations of a constricted vocabulary. However I am quite lazy, and shall thusly leave the thus of evaluating this issue furthermore with those thusly inclined.
 

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^:D My dorkery knows no bounds. I seriously considered the irony of these sentences. I suppose the average person might not assume to find much pontification on the general lack of vocabulary in today's society. However, it's not ironic here given the context of the INTP forum itself. It's not unexpected to find a linguistically oriented INTP who might discuss at extreme length the western world's reduction in the application of complex vocabulary.

Your misspelling of the word "ramifications" is rather deliciously piquant in its dissimilitude to the expressed thought as a whole.
 

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I attribute the harsh judgment/preconcieved notion of a system as absolute a part of being a J. Why would it be something a P would do?

An INTP being meticulous over use of language I can definitely see. But I cannot see an INTP being judging of another's use of an obviously limited medium of thought.

Being "J" isn't about being judgmental, and therefor "P"s can be just as prone to being judgmental as "J"s. In particular, an INTP's desire for clarity in thought leads us to have a desire to correct grammar and spelling mistakes.
[FONT=Tahoma,Helvetica]Where detachment ceases is when someone makes an illogical statement or violates one of the INTPs principles. At such a point, the INTP feels the instant drive to provide for clarity. This is his Mission; to be the provider of clarity, and is often suspicious that he is the only person capable of this task. Here, the INTP risks being seen as over-critical, aloof and arrogant. On the whole, however, real arrogance is rare for INTPs for their desire is not to dominate others but simply to observe, analyse and clarify. Once the point has been clarified, the INTP withdraws quickly, for he prefers not to be in the limelight unless absolutely necessary. Hence, for most of the time, INTPs are easy-going and will fit in to others' needs, taking up the role of observer again. - An INTP Profile

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Thusly: *preconceived, *absolutely :D
 

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^:D My dorkery knows no bounds. I seriously considered the irony of these sentences. I suppose the average person might not assume to find much pontification on the general lack of vocabulary in today's society. However, it's not ironic here given the context of the INTP forum itself. It's not unexpected to find a linguistically oriented INTP who might discuss at extreme length the western world's reduction in the application of complex vocabulary.

Your misspelling of the word "ramifications" is rather deliciously piquant in its dissimilitude to the expressed thought as a whole.

The issue though is not with a limited available vocabulary, it is with an infinitely limited vocabulary. Unless thought is produced completely through language there is no language ever that will express the true thoughts of an individual. Even languages with declentions, while far more suitable for any sort of complex thought, fall short in the end. Most languages have been dumbed down over time (a modern example is that German is "losing" the Genitive as we speak). Pictoral languages can usually get closer to "exact" meaning through implication, but unfortunately cannot be phonated nor typed (with my skillset, at least) to convey the same message they held when observed spacially.

If only "wordbuilding" was systematic (one of the reasons I have a fondness for German) then at least some expression could be easier conveyed in English without being barraged with "that's not a word!". It's a shame, really.

To Thoumyvision:

The issue I hold is that spelling and grammar "mistakes" do not do anything to affect clarity (usually) . Unless a word is so misspelled or grammar so contorted as to completely conceal the meaning of something, there is no issue. Most of these corrections are based upon a notion of there being a "correct way" of doing things, not on "I'm having trouble understanding you". It comes off as very SJ, and considering that most people here react like Ns it made me think INTJs were the culprits.
 

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The issue though is not with a limited available vocabulary, it is with an infinitely limited vocabulary.

I agree in so far as this relates to academia and the average intellectual. However, as for society as a whole I think there is a sweeping decline in the intellectualization of common discourse. In fact I fear there is a rather disturbing trend toward anti-intellectualism as a whole. I don't intend to say that only academics are intellectual but I do think that showing any tendency toward deeper thought is often ridiculed by the general public. (At least in the U.S.A.) Thus (eek!) if a person wants to discuss something more mentally stimulating than the latest celebrity wardrobe malfunction that person has to present it to his audience in the least distasteful, least intellectualized, format possible. Sadly, other than out of a desire to sound like a pompous ass, most people don't have sufficient encouragement to develop a large vocabulary.

Pictoral languages can usually get closer to "exact" meaning through implication, but unfortunately cannot be phonated nor typed (with my skillset, at least) to convey the same message they held when observed spatially.
This is why I wish we had a time machine so that we could see the Tao Te Ching in it's original form and in its original setting. We have some carefully restored scraps of drawings left but even then it seems near impossible to understand the intent of the person who created them without submersing ourselves in the culture of that time.

I really enjoy the English language for it's fluidity. There are few other languages that lend themselves so readily to word-smithing.
 

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When driving, I instinctively see cars as force diagrams and plot their route and all possible routes, detecting a plethora of possible collisions at any given time. This makes driving rather unpleasant.
Me too! Mostly as simple motion vectors, especially as a pedestrian negotiating a busy intersection - I feel like I can 'see' four dimensions.
I also see momentum vectors when I watch trains - the temptation to flick some bit of litter at a freight train just to watch the transfer of momentum is almost irresistible.
When I notice myself seeing forces when driving I sometimes calculate a visual analogy via 'how big a building would I need to fall off to achieve the same force on impact?' I don't like driving!
[Translation note: you might need to dumb down your physics to know how I meant some of those terms - my physics is only high school level]

@ everyone else dissecting language: *excitedly claps hands like a little kid*
I love this forum!
 

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Perhaps spelling and grammar mistakes would be corrected by an INTP, not because the Corrector thinks it should be put proper, but because they think the Mistakee would appreciate knowledge of their error.
 

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Note to everyone. I don't care about my spelling or grammer problems. I have them, I know, moving on, :)
 

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Tis such a pain to correct errors on a phone. Oh, and I intentionally used thus four times just to mess with cheese.:angel:
 

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^Ugh, it's even worse on the psp. The internet browser on that thing is horrendous.
 

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I'm a grammar hippy, I think some INTP's are... or tend.... to be.... don't care about my own.... grammar.... but I car..... e about others... you.... understand me.... ?.... Thus I conclude that it is formost in some minds to correct others but.... not them selves... (if you.... understand what I mean your at least compedent at english[yes it was spelt that way on pourpurs{that too}])


Thusly I conclude that I am.... not only a hippy but a hippycrit....
 
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