Moments of Mental Retardation?

[TimeAsylums]

As comical/stupid as that title might seem to some of you, I'm being entirely serious, I'm mostly curious for all xNTPs here. No one needs to point out the correlation of types and different psychoses or in correlation with the DSM(http://www.uccs.edu/Documents/dsega...igation-Jungs-types-and-PD-features-JPT-2.pdf) as I've been deep in that, rather I'm just curious to know:

Do you ever undergo severe/subtle (either) moments where you feel like you experience a stunting of...thinking or absorbing outside information, er do you ever feel like you have a case of mental retardation//some level of aspergers?? As I said, at any level whatsoever. This might seem like an odd question, but please do ponder on it. I'm sorry I can't fully explain it better, Ti is your dom not mine :P but if you can come up with anything, I'd appreciate your input.

Since I failed to explain it well let's take the literal definitions:

Mental : Of or relating to the mind.

Retard: Delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.

so combining those two definitions to form mental retardation, it actually might seem quite common, but I'm hoping there is one of you (or more) who can attest to some of these 'feelings' or 'happenings.'

I wouldn't dare define it as "often" or "frequent." If anything, very "infrequent." But those moments are so...strange. Sensory(Ne input anyway) input stunts and so does the thinking process. It's not scary, just strange. Sort of "dumbfounded," except literally.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Yes, except my moments are periods. D, B, and E.
[bimgx=500]http://www.psycheducation.org/art/KraepelinWaves.jpg[/bimgx]

Also, some time ago I came up with the idea to model one's psychological state in three dimensions using the autistic, schizophrenic, and bipolar spectra as X, Y, and Z axes. It might be useful to model this. Just sayin'.

 

[TimeAsylums]

ahaha...It looks like you should maintain either: Mania (A) or some weird phase inbetween Manic Stupor (C) and Dysphoric Mania(B).

It's the Ne-Si I'm telling you.
Easier said as: The inferior Si.

model one's psychological state in three dimensions using the autistic, schizophrenic, and bipolar spectra as X, Y, and Z axes. It might be useful to model this

I don't disagree. It makes sense to correlate it all.
Did you take a look at the link of the 'correlation'/empirical study above in my OP?

 

[r4ch3l]

Yes. My relationship with time is kind of dodgy in the first place. When tested as a kid my IQ was in the 130s and I led my class in grades but I have symptoms of dyscalculia (cannot read sheet music despite years of study, count on my fingers, don't know times tables, problems determining left and right) which is correlated with low-latent inhibition.

I have bad coordination when interacting with others and come off as quiet because -- when in a group social situation -- it seems to take me moments longer than most other people for words to register. My younger sister was suspected of having Asperger's as a kid and officially diagnosed with Auditory Processing Disorder. I sometimes wonder if I have it as well. Because my grades were so good and I was a fairly happy (albeit quiet and sometimes anxious) kid my eccentricities were never considered to be an actual problem.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Yes. My relationship with time is kind of dodgy in the first place.

Spoiler

On the types perception of time:

http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=16542

http://personalitycafe.com/nts-temperament-forum-intellects/126899-perception-time-aging.html <--- just the first post

http://psyphics.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/infj-vs-intp/
Half of the resources break it into NP rather than NT which is interesting, I suppose you could see an argument for either, but I guess it would be based off of the dominant perceiving function of a person, not the judging.

[BIMG]http://psyphics.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/time-perception_part.jpg[/BIMG]

INTPs and other xNPx types have a detached perception of time and tend to see the past-present-future as a continuum. They have a historical perspective and set their goals to accumulate memories and achievements that can be viewed from an autobiographical context.

INFJs and xNJx types have a future directed perception of time where the past and present are seen as contributing factors to a vision. They view time as a finite resource and strive to accomplish their goals to directly experience the success in the limited time they have.
Speech

INFJs are less verbose than INTPs and may struggle with expressing their ideas in words because their thought process is not always linguistic. They have the ability think in feelings, images, symbols, hunches… so it is hard for them to articulate the thought process that led to their conclusion. They can also make intuitive leaps between ideas and miss details in their arguments.

INTPs are very articulate and careful with their word selection. They can convey their thoughts in a clear fashion and are very good at explaining material to another person. They try to convince themselves as much as the other person when they are trying to get a point across. Their speech tends to be slower than Extroverted Thinkers but it is coherent and easy to follow.

I like the way the picture puts it anyway.

It's really fun to think about when with co-workers or with friends, how perhaps each of you are experiencing a different moment (well, obviously you are because of your positions and propensity for taking in information S/N F/T etc).

In a car with friends:
maybe (hopefully) the driver is in the moment focusing on the road directly in front of him in the moment, ready to react.
in shotgun is you maybe an INTP focusing on the horizon, you're still "in the moment," but your true focus is rather dispersed over behind you, in the now, and on the horizon.
in the backseat maybe a person who focuses on the rearview and seeing each past moment as it goes from the present into the past.

Please excuse my shitty analogy, maybe when I have studied the types more I can put that into "context." But any contributions would be greatly appreeciated.

^Hope that might help somewhat or at all.
If you don't want to read anything: the picture stands out the most and is pretty much self explanatory.

 

[TimeAsylums]

It seems that these asperger/retarded symptoms are a failure of intuition to completely synthesize

that is, incomplete synthesis, failure to find complete synthesis in its sensing counterpart (ne-si, hi-se) and a departure from reality without returning to the corporeal is baaaaaaaad

sometiems i can't think and I'm lyk oh shit am i a fucking feeler with like tert or quardrary thinking and why the fuck can't i synthesize this information holy shyt Ne why did you give me so much information my mind is a fucking sea of entropy god fucking dammit Ill never higher consciousness out of the Cave at this point fuck omg fuckign regression i can't think \do i like on the autistic aspirer spectrum fuck y can i haz no put this words but what is life

but anyway yeah

Either lack of Thinking synthesis (incorrect conclusion not based off of incorrect information, but simply failing), or lack of intuitive synthesis (omg wut, lack of agreement reality with reality)...or iz i attemptingz to use F function to apply to hard logic oh noez


It's like writer's block, except it's "Thinking block"
it's like hitting an immovable object, and that object is a wall of autism

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...can't......think...

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[Ex-User (9086)]

I think THD's model of the wave functions and phases is a good basis for explanation.

In my case I don't have great 200% shifts, more like 20-30% differences.

Another obviously direct thing to add, mention in the mood+energy, are modifiers such as:
negative/positive events, food, rest, stress, temperature, health, etc.

If there is a composition of negative modifiers with the bottom of the wave, then it is imaginable that most individuals become impaired.

I sometimes have to skip reading complicated things, because I am unable to remember the information. Sometimes I forget what I came up with before. Rarely (3-5% of the time) I don't comprehend things I normally would.

Especially when I have a migraine.

I don't think I have a definable mental retardation. I have neurological health issues though.
I'd say that it's a function of time/modifiers.

Maybe a bit socially retarded, as I have to focus more and work harder to succeed socially.

 

[TimeAsylums]

I think THD's model of a wave function is a good basis for explanation.

Ye he kalls them kraepelin waves, read a lot about the guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Kraepelin

 

[Minuend]

Brain fog does make it feel like your cognition is constantly reduced. Some days are worse than others. I do sometimes feel a "barrier" in the back of my head when trying to piece together certain things. It can sometimes send a stream of what feels like restlessness down my neck.

Generally, it does seem like I perform worse when it comes to precision and those final bits of logic, than I have the potential to.

Like Blarraun, I'd say they are neurological health issues.

 

[Anktark]

Are we talking about those moments when one is spaced out/in the zone and the autopilot fails to handle something? Like pushing the door that is very obviously supposed to be pulled? Or forgetting where you are/were going? Hearing someone call you by name, but it doesn't register they are calling you?
If that's it, then it happens quite often.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Brain fog does make it feel like your cognition is constantly reduced. Some days are worse than others. I do sometimes feel a "barrier" in the back of my head when trying to piece together certain things. It can sometimes send a stream of what feels like restlessness down my neck.

Generally, it does seem like I perform worse when it comes to precision and those final bits of logic, than I have the potential to.

^^^

I have neurological health issues though.

Like Blarraun, I'd say they are neurological health issues.

Ye, that's what my neurologist said. Apparently I had a really bad vitamin B and vitamin D deficiency

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis, fatigue, memory impairment, irritability, depression and personality changes.[20][21][20][22][21][23][unreliable source?] In infants symptoms include irritability, failure to thrive, apathy, anorexia, and developmental regression

Oddly, I've had these since I was a child, but ever since the past few months with vitamin levels replenished, it has gone away mostly. Me being the hypochondriac inferior Si that I am, I used to think it was early onset Parkinsons or alzheimers lol When I was a kid I hypothesized that I was somehow interacting with lead (air, touch, idk) and I was literally becoming retarded...lol.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Are we talking about those moments when one is spaced out/in the zone and the autopilot fails to handle something? Like pushing the door that is very obviously supposed to be pulled? Or forgetting where you are/were going? Hearing someone call you by name, but it doesn't register they are calling you?
If that's it, then it happens quite often.

No. It's the "brain fog," @Minuend mentioned above you,

 

[Jake]

Sometimes I seem to become stupid for a short period of time. I once took a calculus test and took antiderivatives by using coefficients as exponents. For example, the antiderivative of 5x would become x^5 instead of (5/2)x^2. I still have no idea what I was thinking. And the moment I turned the test in, I realized all of my mistakes. It felt like I subconsciously sabotaged myself so that I would forget how to do calculus for exactly as long as it took to complete the test. Anyone else experience anything like that?

 

[peoplesuck]

It feels very stupid to read out loud and mispronounce half the words when im a great reader. it's crystal clear up here. may be because i don't talk much.

 

[StevenM]

I get brain fogs as well. Most of the time, it's due to poor sleeping habits. It's very frustrating trying to do complex tasks such as software programming. I want nothing more than to build and solve exciting problems, and I know I can do it, but my brain says "nope, I'm too tired". Coffee doesn't help. Smoking doesn't help either.