Peculiar Mirror Observation

[Socra Maat]

So I'm 1/4 Black, 1/4 German, 1/4 Cherokee, and 1/4 French, roughly. My mom's side of the family is black, and she is by far the whitest neurotic black mom ever.

The point? I've always had a peculiar reaction around black people, I feel comfortable around them and tend to make friends pretty quickly. I subconsciously mirror them hard, my wordplay and pronunciation do change, but its not unnatural or overexpressed. They take it as genuine, respect my cultured attitude and befriend me easily. There's some intuitive connection that feels tangible. This has helped me quite a bit in my (side) musical career.

I minimalize my wordplay and articulation purposely around friends as is, but around black people I can be looser and goofy. It feels authentic, its a nice feeling sometimes.
I have heard some very powerful philosophies from what society would consider "ghetto" or "ignorant" people, because they judge on the exterior (looks, tone, articulation) and not the concepts presented.

A loose observation by my ex: "At moments you can crack me up with your silliness, then act like a sexy thug, and then captivate me with things I've never thought before".

Not sure what this all means though

 

[Pyropyro]

You just found a group that you're comfortable with which is quite nice.

 

[Socra Maat]

I suppose you're right.

On the other hand, the EX example: when in a relationship it seems all my mirror's are displayed at any given time, it's as if in my honesty I'm subconsciously showing the whole roulette.
Does anyone else feel like a spin top in a relationship?

I also tend to have better conversations/interactions (in public places) with strangers than I do my friends (in those same public places), when I have the balls to initiate. I'm far better at one night stands and flings, than getting close to girls I already know.

 

[Base groove]

Cultural idioms and ethnicity, is there a causative factor or mere correlation? I find the op racist, but specifically lacking any negative connotation, however ethnic prejudice is highly apparent.

 

[Socra Maat]

Really? You'd be the first to make me think that

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Yes, I see prejudice. Does it matter if it is black, or if they are white? You feel good and they accept you and you have some place where you can belong.

 

[BigApplePi]

So I'm 1/4 Black, 1/4 German, 1/4 Cherokee, and 1/4 French, roughly.

You are a mix, so why not mix it up? Have fun with all of it.

I'm all Caucasian brought up in a white world but still experienced a white mix. My mom and dad are opposites and I am both. That put me in an odd spot for an identity and so must it you.

 

[Socra Maat]

Well, my actual group of friends are diverse (Pakistani, Hispanic, Spanish (Europe), African American) they provide me more comfort and appreciation than any other social dynamic.

This is just a noting of experiences with a particular sliver of a particular pie. In no means is this a general statement about African Americans, not even remotely.

My word usage does not express the conceptual breadth.
I just don't see myself being prejudice?

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Cultural idioms and ethnicity, is there a causative factor or mere correlation? I find the op racist, but specifically lacking any negative connotation, however ethnic prejudice is highly apparent.

Dude...

Be open to the idea races are different.

He's trying to explore this.

 

[Base groove]

Dude...

Be open to the idea races are different.

He's trying to explore this.

I would invite you to actually explain yourself however I am more inclined to dismiss you altogether. Although, it appears as though I am going ahead with it.

What I would like you to explain, specifically, is why I am not open to the idea that races are different?

If anything I thought I just explained how there is a confirmation bias present in these mirror observations, as described.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

There may be a confirmation bias present.

Bad thing?

 

[Base groove]

There may be a confirmation bias present.

Bad thing?

Not the point. Sorry but I don't found my discernment a on a good vs bad dichotomy. You, are trying to interpret this from the wrong angle.

You argued that I should be more open to ideas, I explained that your argument wasn't valid to the context. What else are you trying to do? Am I wrong for......what, exactly?

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Yeah, I'm sorry I assumed you were biased.

My point is truth can be inducted from convictions seemingly unsupported by facts from some viewpoints or angles.

This is like my favorite way of thinking. My intuition tells me something is true and I gather supporting evidence. and then sortoff backwards induct.

It is just as valid as scientific logic, or deduction.

My experience is not alot of people are open to this. hence the assumption.

 

[Base groove]

Yeah, I'm sorry I assumed you were biased.

My point is truth can be inducted from convictions seemingly unsupported by facts from some viewpoints or angles.

This is like my favorite way of thinking. My intuition tells me something is true and I gather supporting evidence. and then sortoff backwards induct.

It is just as valid as scientific logic, or deduction.

My experience is not alot of people are open to this. hence the assumption.

Overcoming my better judgement one post at a time...

Spoiler

I will take some time to see it your way. Now that your point is explicit, that is.

 

[Pyropyro]

I don't think there's racism involved. Actually it's not unlike INTPf (we cluster because we are XNTX's and with a nice helping of XXNP's as well) unless of course we are all egoistic elitist pricks here.

Anyways, I think it's more like a means of creating an island of stability within an alien (or perceived as alien) environment. I've experienced both as the minority doing the group thing (as a Filipino visiting a foreign country) and as the majority (observing Koreans here in our country).

You'll really want to be in a group to take a breather and let loose for a while and get back to the foreign world once more. I believe Socra Maat's island of stability is more constrained in the subcultural sense rather than a larger cultural one. I think the Koreans here feel the same thing so they need to bunch up. Their only crime is they can eat me alive at League of Legends or DOTA.

 

[The Introvert]

I'm 100% white and I do this.

Like you, it's not forced, although I'm sure my mirroring isn't as intense as yours. The result is that I can make interactions that would otherwise be generalized as 'uncomfortable' seem pretty relaxed and at the least authentic. My theory is that it's Fe at play - we change ourselves externally to make others (and ultimately ourselves) feel more comfortable. The fact that it's not forced would suggest Fe is probably higher up on your functions list (mine's 2nd).

With that said, I can see others are also questioning your type. Just from this thread alone, I can see that although you might test as one, your behavior doesn't seem to match the prototypical INTP (which is cool - just an observation). Consider a re-evaluation of your type, if you're so interested; this is definitely a good place in which to figure that out.

 

[Base groove]

I just had a brief read of what Jung wrote about introverted thinking types,

and, it just ... wasn't good. At all. The poor souls.

Then again, maybe Jung was a little harsh...? Naw...

 

[Cherry Cola]

Yes, I see prejudice. Does it matter if it is black, or if they are white? You feel good and they accept you and you have some place where you can belong.

Of course it doesn't and the OP didn't say that. There are still -generally speaking- differences between black and white people when it comes to language and culture.

 

[Socra Maat]

Lots of interesting responses. I think pyropyro put it quite well.

I agree "The Introvert", might be a stronger Fe.
I've tested many times, and its usually 90-95% on INP, but 70% T to 30% F.
I might look into enneagrams and more stuff to test further.

 

[The Introvert]

Lots of interesting responses. I think pyropyro put it quite well.

I agree "The Introvert", might be a stronger Fe.
I've tested many times, and its usually 90-95% on INP, but 70% T to 30% F.
I might look into enneagrams and more stuff to test further.

Might be useful.

I test exclusively as INTP (INFJ is my most likely type).

The problem with most tests is that they don't usually test for functions, they test for "J-ness" or "F-ness", etc.; characteristics of people may be due to complex interactions between functions and not just MBTI sloughed-over generalizations.

 

[Socra Maat]

Yeah, true. There really are so many compounded circumstances at play for each person.

I experiment with all sorts of chemicals, supplements, etc, and I can tell you that my P morphs into P+J when taking L-Tyrosine( or any dopamine related path). I become loopier on the P aspect, but also stronger J ( more definition and critical opinions). Overall, this leads me down a darker path of sanity, so I avoid.

Meanwhile, 5HTP and other serotonin goodies bring out a stronger S and F vibe.

This is just a drop in the bucket concerning neurochemical factors and personality.

*Off topic sorry*

 

[Base groove]

It's all on topic.

I won't insist but could you be defining a classical dominant tertiary loop?

Spoiler

aka NeTe

Spoiler

effectively mitigated through reintegration of Fi

 

[Socra Maat]

I'm not too far into the tid bits of the Myer Briggs system, so I'm not sure what you mean yet.

I'm reading this as we speak to brush up:
http://personalitycafe.com/articles/25205-dominant-tertiary-loops-common-personality-disorders.html

 

[QuickTwist]

You could be Enneagram 3... Or more likely you feel the need to associate yourself with others of the same background and/or culture to identify yourself. It can be hard to identify yourself because you have a very diverse background. In a way you mimicking behavior patterns is a coping mechanism that helps you understand yourself to some degree. Its not a bad thing or a good thing; it just is.