yet another nomadic INTP

[bvanevery]

Let's make it a genre even if it isn't. Heck I've realized it's not just true literally, living out of my car with my dog. It's also true virtually. I've been on the run from so many forums, so many MBTI axial conflicts, I've lost count over the years. I'm hoping its different here this time. Somehow I have a sneaking suspicion that different amounts of emphasis within the formula "INTP" can still cause problems between people. But maybe I can get into a good fight with someone who tests exactly the same! Wouldn't that be revealing.

My last forum disaster was an art forum where I couldn't have a reasonable discussion of why a particular artwork of a particular dead artist was particularly bad. A lack of interest in analysis, sometimes a lack of articulateness, and a strong resistance to categorizing or making firm rules about anything, seemed to be problems. FWIW I'm a 60/40 P/J split, last I tested. No question I favor P, but I will call a spade a spade.

I really, really dislike the various SJs of the world that have mostly gotten around to giving me grief over the years, and I'd be happy to deal with them rarely. F's also get on my nerves when they start taking things personally or think I'm in competition with them.

I'm on the cusp of I/E but definitely I. Crowds of strangers wear me out. I need my alone time for my own thoughts. I can be very extrovert if I'm in specific intellectual circles. For instance I'm fairly active in the Western NC Humanists in Asheville, NC, when I'm there.

I'm living out of my car with my dog mainly because I hate the computer industry. I'm sworn to make my own games and have been attempting for an alarmingly long time without much success. Oh well, won't stop trying. I also care a bit about underlying technologies such as 3d graphics, programming languages, and game oriented artificial intelligence. Finally, I have a bit of a survivalist streak in me.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Welcome

 

[Sinny91]

You cool - welcome.

 

[dutchdisease]

I'm honored,

It is a rare treat for something I wrote to be alluded to. Hope you enjoy your stay.

 

[AsbestosXposure]

Hello fellow car-dweller, I'm not all too surprised that there is another who is doing so... Although technically I am staying with a relative of my boyfriend's at the moment.

I greatly urge you to look into cognitive functions- which is what underlies MBTI typing and makes it 'make sense'. Many people mistype themselves, and the truth is that INTJs and INTPs think EXTREMELY DIFFERENTLY but come to the same conclusions much of the time.

I'll outline it for you here for you to start if you like- INTPs have 4 'conscious functions' which are in order as "Ti Ne Si Fe" and the opposing functions belong to an INTJ in this order- "Ni Te Fi Se"

Ti- Introverted Thinking
Ne- Extroverted iNtuition
Si- Introverted Sensing
Fe- Extroverted Feeling

Ni- Introverted iNtuition
Te- Extroverted Thinking
Fi- Introverted Feeling
Se- Extroverted Sensing

The thing that defines a person as a "P" is them having their strongest extroverted function be a perceiving function, like S or N- and their introverted function be a judging function such as Ti or Fi. This is because people are judged based on what is seen of them- how they interact with the world. For now I will call them "Objective" because they are based around what others think/will think or what others feel/will feel. Same goes for sensing functions.

This is why the sensors are separated into SPs and SJs much of the time instead of into their judgement groups- they care more about this difference than an N would, because they focus more on what is being done than the bigger picture of why it is being done. Perhaps this is because they 'fully see' what is being done on a much higher level, like looking through a microscope. I wouldn't be surprised, and while there is nothing wrong with that in some situations, it does get in the way in others I guess it helps them get along and go with things they wouldn't otherwise according to their judgement.


So you can figure out these functions through a formula on your own without checking each time like this-

If they are a P, their perceiving function is extroverted. If they are an E, the extroverted function comes first. So already by knowing ESP, you know that their first function is Se, and they will do the sterotypical to SP things more often than a person with that function in reserve, or a person without it at all.

This is how you should be looking at peoples' behaviors, as you can derive A LOT MORE than you would with quoting already-said stereotypes- that being said there is nothing wrong with what you are doing now, you are still learning about it is all, and obviously frustrated with others as I often am.

But yes, it is these functions which contribute to the types, and how people think of certain situations as more important than others.

 

[AsbestosXposure]

Oh yeah, welcome~ I'm sure you'll be fine here, whatever you learn through functions about what type you are. We're an accepting bunch and such I guess, or at least non-confrontational, if open about thoughts at times.

 

[bvanevery]

Thanks!

I tried reading 'conscious function' descriptions at http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/Cognitive-Functions/ asking the question, "Is that me / not me?" I only got a clear signal on Fe. Totally not me! I'm not incapable of considering other people's feelings, but I sure won't put myself through all that sensitivity unless I think there's a darned good reason to. I can't stand any profession which requires what I call servility, like being a waiter. Not interested in hand holding at all. Exception: I'm nice to children because I know they need to feel safe as they grow. But adults, I generally expect them to pull their own weight.

A lot of that other stuff, just sounds like different spins on the act of "thinking" and I don't see any clarity for why any of it is one kind of thinking or another. I'll see if some other source of descriptions offers more clarity.

Se sounded like it may not me be either. Definitely didn't strike me as my primary orientation towards anything. However I am a visual artist and a martial artist, so it's not like I don't use sensory data. I may just reason about it, but the martial training in particular, has honed instinctual action. It's important for things like maintaining situational awareness and not getting clubbed in the head though, not really for "Life".

I've previously tested as over the top N, 90%.

Just tried mypersonality.info 's version of the MBTI. Test results are more one sided than previous. INTP (63% 100% 89% 68%). Surprised at clear I, as I had previously tested cusp, although I always thought I was clearly I. Knew I was over-the-top N, although do wonder at 100% for anything. T is stronger than previous, but expected. P is stronger than previous, but I knew I was dominantly P. Just have a J side that I'm not afraid to use.

So, no, not very likely I'm some other type. I'm sure tests will vary but really all these categories have felt like certainty, based on descriptions I've read of them.

I took the test quickly. I thought a few of the questions were asking me to make false choices, but not many. I answered them with what seemed like the closer fit even if I might go either way with them.