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I am becoming more and more convinced that we should go back to a strong classical curriculum.

Only after such an induction into education can we begin to know what science, engineering, and other practices are even good for.
 

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Fuck this thread
 

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That video (OP vid) deserves its downvotes. Even if it didn't, how does mixed reviews toward it reflect the state of American society?

Granted, my initial response was a tad OTT
 

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I didn't even watch the video.
The still shot as a blurb looks shit... and I'm not a fan of the OPoster.

The video I linked is well worth a watch tho.
 

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I am becoming more and more convinced that we should go back to a strong classical curriculum.

Only after such an induction into education can we begin to know what science, engineering, and other practices are even good for.

I agree with you on that.
 

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That you OP?
 

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So did anyone actually bother to see the video? The guy actually is largely right. Save his extreme comments near the end, where he basically dismisses *all* the humanities, it's true that a lot of "studies" are full of BS, and are basically worthless for employment.

But, I must nevertheless disagree with OP's thread title, because the worst aspect of the whole education thing discussed in the video is the deeply ingrained notion that academia is just some training stage for getting a "productive" job, and not that the pursuit of knowledge is something inherently valuable (and that a "productive" job *is* inherently valuable and necessary). A lot of modern education merely consists of info regurgitation and repetition of methods without much thought, even in the "productive" fields. So the deepest reason why societies are declining is because knowledge is not considered a worthwhile pursuit unless it leads to money. Philosophy is done for, and its child science is quite dysfunctional. "God is dead", perhaps our civilization has not yet fully internalized that. Society as a collective has no worthwhile direction.

Speaking of classical education, in Plato's discussion of governments he placed the abandonment of wisdom and virtue as the first step towards decline, where in oligarchy the only virtue remaining is the guile and discipline required for wealth accumulation.

Alas, having never imagined the manipulative powers of mass media or modern banking, Plato never foresaw the possibility of our present system: A veneer of democracy masking a super-oligarchy, combining the chaotic freedom and consumerist wastefulness of the former with the economic stratification and exploitation of the latter. When will the insanity of the system finally lead to its collapse, and what, if anything, shall replace it?
 

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So did anyone actually bother to see the video? The guy actually is largely right. Save his extreme comments near the end, where he basically dismisses *all* the humanities, it's true that a lot of "studies" are full of BS, and are basically worthless for employment.

But, I must nevertheless disagree with OP's thread title, because the worst aspect of the whole education thing discussed in the video is the deeply ingrained notion that academia is just some training stage for getting a "productive" job, and not that the pursuit of knowledge is something inherently valuable (and that a "productive" job *is* inherently valuable and necessary). A lot of modern education merely consists of info regurgitation and repetition of methods without much thought, even in the "productive" fields. So the deepest reason why societies are declining is because knowledge is not considered a worthwhile pursuit unless it leads to money. Philosophy is done for, and its child science is quite dysfunctional. "God is dead", perhaps our civilization has not yet fully internalized that. Society as a collective has no worthwhile direction.

Speaking of classical education, in Plato's discussion of governments he placed the abandonment of wisdom and virtue as the first step towards decline, where in oligarchy the only virtue remaining is the guile and discipline required for wealth accumulation.

Alas, having never imagined the manipulative powers of mass media or modern banking, Plato never foresaw the possibility of our present system: A veneer of democracy masking a super-oligarchy, combining the chaotic freedom and consumerist wastefulness of the former with the economic stratification and exploitation of the latter. When will the insanity of the system finally lead to its collapse, and what, if anything, shall replace it?

Imo, it would be worth it if was not politicized, but for most in the humanities they either go there to be brainwashed and in the process learn how to write, etc, or they develop their critical thinking and writing ability, just under more intense conditions, unless you successfully feign your allegiance to the left and do not feel you are damaging your conscience in the process.
 
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