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Am I really an INTP?

JaggedKatana

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Well here's the thing - - even though I've gotten INTP twice with two diffrent tests I can't seem to shake the feeling that I'm answering the questions the way I think others would see me answering them instead of the way I actually feel...

Is there any way to really ever know yourself???:phear:
 

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The tests are shaky... I didn't really trust them when I first found MBTI (haha first in typing myself I only read about the preferences and picked which one was me, and even though the description fit me almost perfectly I still took 4 or 5 just in case), but I trust them even less now. Try these sites and see which one of each actually fits... Decaf can correct me, but I thought they did a nice job of boiling down the preferences to their essences.

http://personalitydesk.com/blog/24/mbti-myers-briggs-extroversion-introversion/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/20/myers-briggs-sensing-vs-intuition/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/18/myers-briggs-preferences-thinking-vs-feeling/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/22/myers-briggspreferences-judging-vs-perceiving/

I found it easier to type myself by looking at the theory and picking them out how they were meant to be, as opposed to the little online tests that judge things like thinking/feeling by "how much you care how other people feel."
 

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Well I would read a lot of the type descriptions, if you are uncertain. I usually test as an INTJ, but then I got INTP once (out of like 5?) and looked up the description for that, I saw it fit much better.
(gah, long run-on sentence!)
Looking back I think it was my J-control freak mother that was influencing my answers.

Hope you get something out of that, and sorry if you don't!

Also, don't get hung up on individual preferences (J or P?), but rather look at the whole type (INTP or INTJ?).
 

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it would be wise to answer the way you think people want you to be. who knows who's keeping track of these test results? what if they decide that you're unstable and send the patiwagon over to pick you up and throw you in the funny farm?
 

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That's a major problem with this stuff. The biggest problem a lot of people have isn't in knowing themselves, but in knowing what to think about stuff about themselves. We grow up hearing opinions about our characteristics that are either positive or negative and that can color what we're willing to admit to ourselves.

My advice would be to read and learn about type until you can convince yourself. The tests are guides (even an official, properly administered indicator tops out at 90% accuracy), not law. If you think you're an INTP, then you shouldn't have too much trouble doing some more research until you are confidant.


Oh... and any MBTI test administrator who gives the results of a test to anyone that the test taker doesn't explicitly ask them to can have their license revoked. Since you were curious.


... did I even address the question? damnit...
 

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Well here's the thing - - even though I've gotten INTP twice with two diffrent tests I can't seem to shake the feeling that I'm answering the questions the way I think others would see me answering them instead of the way I actually feel...

Is there any way to really ever know yourself???:phear:

Lets see, better than average grammar, long sentences and most important of all your second guessing yourself. Those are all fairly reasonable traits of an INTP, also having you avatar and alias relate is another fairly reasonable INTP trait.

If that dosen't quiet your inner voice you can always read the extensive list of posts on this site; if you are an INTP I imagine you'll quickly grow to appreciate this forum.

Finally, welcome JaggedKatana, that’s about as far as formalities extend here.
 

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To the OP: I wonder the same thing.

So long as we think and breathe we're making up stories of ourselves to tell ourself, and we're making up stories of others. What is the truth? I've exhausted myself trying to reach it and I still don't know who I am.
 

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I don't get the difficulty with understanding what you are - I'm me, that's it.
 

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That's how I've always seen it! Who am I? I am me. Do I know me? Probably not, but is it even possible to "know" yourself? I think it's folly to view your understanding of yourself in the same way as you might view your understanding of other people. You have no need to understand yourself, the knowledge is inherent. It's like understanding the process of digestion as you physically experience it, trying to force it to happen. Or trying to twitch your nose when you can't twitch your nose. It just doesn't work.
 

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When I first started using Decaf as my username I went through a series of photos of coffee cups before I gave it up (since I didn't drink coffee anyway, it just confused people).
 

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i've never taken the time to learn how to do an avatar or signature. i suppose i'd probably put a picture of myself, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me lol.
 

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(But you have a sig!)
 

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My avatar has nothing to do with Severus. I picked it because I thought the forums needed some color.
 

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It is an actual rule, just the result of INTPs thinking a lot. Another result would be that we can justify nearly every discission we make with a logical reason.
 

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That's how I've always seen it! Who am I? I am me. Do I know me? Probably not, but is it even possible to "know" yourself? I think it's folly to view your understanding of yourself in the same way as you might view your understanding of other people. You have no need to understand yourself, the knowledge is inherent. It's like understanding the process of digestion as you physically experience it, trying to force it to happen. Or trying to twitch your nose when you can't twitch your nose. It just doesn't work.


A despondent lor admits her life, such as it is, emerges from the seed of folly, and that she is forever lost in leaves of self-deception.

After a moment she rallies, consumes another bitter fruit and resumes her quest.

;)


edit: And I chose my avatar because it is was the closest image I could find to a piece of art I saw over twenty years ago that I felt represented me. Simple dark curves filled with colour.

Serendipitously I think butterflies are transformative images, representing the fragile, ephemeral end of a complex process through which the individual is continually forged and re-forged.

Says something about the inner workings of indentity.
 
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The tests are shaky... I didn't really trust them when I first found MBTI (haha first in typing myself I only read about the preferences and picked which one was me, and even though the description fit me almost perfectly I still took 4 or 5 just in case), but I trust them even less now. Try these sites and see which one of each actually fits... Decaf can correct me, but I thought they did a nice job of boiling down the preferences to their essences.

http://personalitydesk.com/blog/24/mbti-myers-briggs-extroversion-introversion/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/20/myers-briggs-sensing-vs-intuition/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/18/myers-briggs-preferences-thinking-vs-feeling/
http://personalitydesk.com/blog/22/myers-briggspreferences-judging-vs-perceiving/

I found it easier to type myself by looking at the theory and picking them out how they were meant to be, as opposed to the little online tests that judge things like thinking/feeling by "how much you care how other people feel."

thanks, that was enlightening. i seem to occupy an area between INTP and ISTP... the coffee cup exercise did nothing for me. i'm not sure i relate to the sensing (no shit it's round and has certain dimensions) or the perceiving (a poem is way too abstract). i wanted to describe the manufacturing process and foam properties. definately identify with IxTP though, so that's a start.

i often feel like i'm between worlds, if you will. huge technical person with a distain for redundancy and appreciation for precision and focus (except when i usually try to speak, words come out sidways and somtimes out of order). i enjoy the continuous mathematics (calc, diff. eq's, continuum mechanics) and abhorr combinatorics. but i'm also intensely physical. i love lifting, moving and riding, and i love getting my hands on things.

sooo my point being, i identify more with INTP, but with some wiggle room for the Sensing.
 

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I don't think truly knowing is as feasible as one would imagine. The hardest thing for me is identifying thinking vs feeling traits. I some days think I may be INTP and then I think that I'm INFP. Perhaps that's a sign that the test questions are too ambiguous, I'm being something I'm not, or I'm well rounded. I don't really know and I have hence stopped caring. But as long as you are half-way intelligent and try to be nice/decent/whatever, I don't think being one type over the other should be a big deal.
 

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Decaf said:
When I first started using Decaf as my username I went through a series of photos of coffee cups before I gave it up (since I didn't drink coffee anyway, it just confused people).

:D

I want the OP to post again.
 

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My first experience with the MBTI was in college. I tested as an INTJ.

Over the years, I've had several results. The I never changes, and the N has shown up all but once, but I've been all over the map with T/F and J/P. My last test showed:

I 89%
N 74%
T 68%
P 58%

I nod at some parts of the INTP description, but not at others. I hate deadlines, but don't like not knowing what's expected of me. I find too much routine very boring, but don't like a complete "go with the flow" environment with no rules whatsoever. I hate imprecision in language, but I also hate inflexibility and doing things "because that's the way they've always been done." I like to make decsions based on logic and reason, but I am also very sensitive and hate to see people suffer.

I'm not sure if I'm really an INTP, but I can't figure out why being able to type myself is important to me. I guess I want someone to say, "You'd make the perfect _________ [fill in occupation]." On the other hand, MBTI does explain why I stink at small talk.
 

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I nod at some parts of the INTP description, but not at others.

Everything you just described sounds like an INTP to me. The problem with trying to derive understanding of the theory from your four letter code is that the code is basically shorthand, in this case INTP -> Dominant Introverted Thinking, Auxiliary Extraverted Intuition, Tertiary Introverted Sensing, Inferior Extraverted Feeling.

I hate deadlines, but don't like not knowing what's expected of me.

Deadlines are extraverted judging, which is our inferior function and thus can sometimes provoke immature responses. They are limitations placed on you from the outside world. Knowing what's expected of you is information that helps you make decisions in your own head. The second part helps our introverted thinking find direction.

I find too much routine very boring, but don't like a complete "go with the flow" environment with no rules whatsoever.

Too much routine causes our introverted thinking to run dry of information. If there's nothing new, there's nothing to think about and life can become very dry. Living by the seat of our pants is also unattractive because we want to learn from everything we do and complete liberation doesn't allow us to select the activities that have the most potential for teaching us something. The key feature is that the rules we adhere to are our own. Our own personal code of responsibility with which we will hold ourselves to with a high standard. If some of those rules correspond with the outside world, well at least that helps us stay out of trouble.

I hate imprecision in language, but I also hate inflexibility and doing things "because that's the way they've always been done."

Those really are the same things for us. I hate writing cursive, but I have to say that when I speak, the best way to describe it is that. Words flow together beautifully if done well. With always the perfect word chosen it can become a masterpiece, but not one that had a form before we even started. That's also why we hate repetitious statements, because it feels like painting a picture that's already been done before. What's the point? We can not be restricted on how we create our art, and our art is language.

I like to make decisions based on logic and reason, but I am also very sensitive and hate to see people suffer.

This goes toward our dominant and inferior functions. Our dominant function is our area of confidence, and we are VERY confident about our ability to analyze a problem or a new idea. We analyze with precision and objectiveness, sometimes becoming annoying to others in our pursuit of exactitude. Our inferior function is our area of helplessness. Extraverted feeling is the area of our lives that often seems out of control, or self-destructive. That doesn't have to be true, but it is often how it feels. One thing that is true is that it is very difficult for us to alter how our inferior function operates. Where thinking responds to our every beck and call, feeling is a wild bronco. When we watch someone doing something embarassing in the movie, we feel that embarassment. When we argue with another, we feel the same emotions (though if the argument is theoretical we try to keep ourselves detached from that emotional turmoil, even though we feel it). At that point it becomes obvious why it is difficult for us to see others suffer, to feel frustrated or defeated.

Our greatest weakness is also our super power. Because we take in the emotions of others without filtering we have the ability (and tendency) to chameleon ourselves to others. Often even perceiving ourselves as someone we are not. Used carefully this can be a great tool for dealing with the outside world. Used ignorantly it can make us appear fake and have us second guessing ourselves.

I'm glad you feel driven to know what type you are, because it doesn't matter if MBTI is right, or full of shit. It means you are trying to learn about yourself and that is a noble pursuit. Gnothi Seauton.
 

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I appreciate your post, Decaf. I tend to forget that most people have a mix of traits and don't score 100% in one direction or the other. Even though I don't think there is any way that 16 types adequately describe the range of human personalities, the fact that I'm still taking and discussing the test must mean that I think it can offer some kind of insight.
 

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I appreciate your post, Decaf. I tend to forget that most people have a mix of traits and don't score 100% in one direction or the other. Even though I don't think there is any way that 16 types adequately describe the range of human personalities, the fact that I'm still taking and discussing the test must mean that I think it can offer some kind of insight.

No worries. Everyone has to start somewhere. Unfortunately these days that somewhere for personality type is usually an internet test that leaves so much unsaid, which leads to huge assumptions without ever knowing it.

To earn a qualification certificate to administer the MBTI you need to take a 4 day class where they teach you how to explain what MBTI is, different kinds of activities to make the distinction clear and how to help someone verify their type after they take the test. But none of that has happened for 99% of the people on this forum. In the psychology industry we refer to that as unethical use of a psychological instrument.

Also, yes, people can be certain kind of mixes of each letter, but (and this is really important) DO NOT trust the percentages you got from the internet test to tell you anything about what they are. In fact, don't trust the internet test to have gotten you type correct unless you have personally verified it by reading the type descriptions (and not just for your proposed type, but for a number of similar codes too).

There is another test that is designed to help you determine what mix of attributes you might possess, but I guarantee you it isn't on the internet, and probably won't be for a long, long time. It generally requires a large time committment and is ethically required to be taken in the presence of and verified by a doctorate level psychologist (making it a Type C instrument). If you're interested in finding out what kind of mix you might actually be its called the MBTI Step II.

OK, one last thing before I stop typing you eyes out... What I described in the previous post is a pure INTP. Not a mix. Its a misunderstanding of the theory to start attributing certain classes of behavior to certain types (even though it is the most tempting thing to do, and I still do it accidentally all the time). Preference is deeper than behavior and, depending on upbringing, behavior can be completely contrary to another's even while having identical base preferences (just visit our religion threads if you want to know more about that).

If it helps to clarify things, this is what the type code INTP translates to in the theory (it isn't an actual description, just shorthand).

INTP
The "I" tells us the dominant function is introverted.
The "N" tells us intuition is our leading perceiving function
The "T" tells us thinking is out leading judging function
The "P" tells us the perceiving function is extraverted

So INTP becomes:

Dominant Introverted Thinking (Area of Confidence)
Auxiliary Extraverted Intuition (Area of Creativity)
Tertiary Introverted Sensing (Area of Comfort)
Inferior Extraverted Feeling (Area of Lack of Control)

So as you can see an INTP has access to a broad range of functions to deal with every day life. We even have a feeling function, though we prefer not to use it actively for the same reasons I mentioned in the above post.

If you want I can explain all that further, but I feel like I might be bludgeoning you over the head with theory. I don't want to impeed your process of making your own conclusions, I just don't think the internet test gives you enough information to make productive ones.
 

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I think you should just read all of the types and you will find yourself in there. I would suggest buying "Please Understand Me". The first time I took the test, when I was 13, I was an ENFP. I did not really feel it was accurate, but then again, I did not really care. It was a class assignment. I took the test, gave the results to my teacher and moved on. The next time I took the test I was 19. I scored INTJ. It fit pretty well. I went ahead and read every description of every personality type and found that INTP was my closest match. For a while I would get INTJ just about every time I took the test. I score INTP now, though I am pretty close on the E/I and J/P.
 
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