Can you identify with Aspergers?

[ZenRaiden]

An Internet-based study shows that people with ADHD often belong in some of the temperamental groups ENTP, ENFP, INFP, or INTP. 147 These groups are relatively rare in the population, and their total part of the population is only 10%. At the same time, some believe the prevalence of ADHD is around 10%. This means there must be a strong link between ADHD and temperament. There is also considerable overlap between criteria of aspie and INTP. Some extra info

 

[pernoctator]

These groups are relatively rare in the population, and their total part of the population is only 10%. At the same time, some believe the prevalence of ADHD is around 10%. This means there must be a strong link between ADHD and temperament.

10% of the posts in this thread are by Ink and 10% are by crippli this means there must be a strong link between Ink and crippli what are you hiding

The page he links to isn't a "study" that supports his conclusion at all, in fact. It's actually an article written by a critic of ADD diagnosis.

 

[ZenRaiden]

http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/10/5/341.full this is also very good article.

Also notify

However, it must be recognised that, once a patient has been established on neuroleptics, it can be difficult to disentangle the two disorders.

Translated in human language if you are labelled as psychotic once its hard to figure out if you are also asperger.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I had identified with aspergers for a while,
since it has been suggested by my psychotherapist.
But there are some criteria which don't fit at all.

• Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity (social "games" give-and-take mechanic), and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.
• People with AS may not be as withdrawn around others compared to those with other, more debilitating, forms of autism; they approach others, even if awkwardly.
• However, not all individuals with AS will approach others. Some of them may even display selective mutism, speaking not at all to most people and excessively to specific people. Some may choose to talk to only people they like.
• The cognitive ability of children with AS often allows them to articulate social norms in a laboratory context,[1] where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people's emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations.
• People with AS may analyze and distill their observations of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines, and apply these rules in awkward ways, such as forced eye contact, resulting in a demeanor that appears rigid or socially naive. Childhood desire for companionship can become numbed through a history of failed social encounters.
• Pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking features of AS.[1] Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having a genuine understanding of the broader topic.
• Although these special interests may change from time to time, they typically become more unusual and narrowly focused, and often dominate social interaction so much that the entire family may become immersed.
• According to the Adult Asperger Assessment (AAA) diagnostic test, a lack of interest in fiction and a positive preference towards non-fiction is common among adults with AS.
• They include hand movements such as flapping or twisting, and complex whole-body movements.
• Speech may convey a sense of incoherence; the conversational style often includes monologues about topics that bore the listener, fails to provide context for comments, or fails to suppress internal thoughts.
• Individuals with AS may fail to monitor whether the listener is interested or engaged in the conversation. The speaker's conclusion or point may never be made, and attempts by the listener to elaborate on the speech's content or logic, or to shift to related topics, are often unsuccessful.
• Individuals with AS often have excellent auditory and visual perception.
• Conversely, compared to individuals with high-functioning autism, individuals with AS have deficits in some tasks involving visual-spatial perception, auditory perception, or visual memory.
• They may be unusually sensitive or insensitive to sound, light, and other stimuli;[40] these sensory responses are found in other developmental disorders and are not specific to AS or to ASD.
• Hans Asperger's initial accounts[1] and other diagnostic schemes[42] include descriptions of physical clumsiness.
• Children with AS may be delayed in acquiring skills requiring motor dexterity, such as riding a bicycle or opening a jar, and may seem to move awkwardly or feel "uncomfortable in their own skin".
• They may be poorly coordinated, or have an odd or bouncy gait or posture, poor handwriting, or problems with visual-motor integration.
• They may show problems with proprioception (sensation of body position) on measures of developmental coordination disorder (motor planning disorder), balance, tandem gait, and finger-thumb apposition.
• Children with AS are more likely to have sleep problems, including difficulty in falling asleep, frequent nocturnal awakenings, and early morning awakenings.

I'm still on the fence on this issue.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I had identified with aspergers for a while,
since it has been suggested by my psychotherapist.
But there are some criteria which don't fit at all.

• Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity (social "games" give-and-take mechanic), and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.
• People with AS may not be as withdrawn around others compared to those with other, more debilitating, forms of autism; they approach others, even if awkwardly.
• However, not all individuals with AS will approach others. Some of them may even display selective mutism, speaking not at all to most people and excessively to specific people. Some may choose to talk to only people they like.
• The cognitive ability of children with AS often allows them to articulate social norms in a laboratory context,[1] where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people's emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations.
• People with AS may analyze and distill their observations of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines, and apply these rules in awkward ways, such as forced eye contact, resulting in a demeanor that appears rigid or socially naive. Childhood desire for companionship can become numbed through a history of failed social encounters.
• Pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking features of AS.[1] Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having a genuine understanding of the broader topic.
• Although these special interests may change from time to time, they typically become more unusual and narrowly focused, and often dominate social interaction so much that the entire family may become immersed.
• According to the Adult Asperger Assessment (AAA) diagnostic test, a lack of interest in fiction and a positive preference towards non-fiction is common among adults with AS.
• They include hand movements such as flapping or twisting, and complex whole-body movements.
• Speech may convey a sense of incoherence; the conversational style often includes monologues about topics that bore the listener, fails to provide context for comments, or fails to suppress internal thoughts.
• Individuals with AS may fail to monitor whether the listener is interested or engaged in the conversation. The speaker's conclusion or point may never be made, and attempts by the listener to elaborate on the speech's content or logic, or to shift to related topics, are often unsuccessful.
• Individuals with AS often have excellent auditory and visual perception.
• Conversely, compared to individuals with high-functioning autism, individuals with AS have deficits in some tasks involving visual-spatial perception, auditory perception, or visual memory.
• They may be unusually sensitive or insensitive to sound, light, and other stimuli;[40] these sensory responses are found in other developmental disorders and are not specific to AS or to ASD.
• Hans Asperger's initial accounts[1] and other diagnostic schemes[42] include descriptions of physical clumsiness.
• Children with AS may be delayed in acquiring skills requiring motor dexterity, such as riding a bicycle or opening a jar, and may seem to move awkwardly or feel "uncomfortable in their own skin".
• They may be poorly coordinated, or have an odd or bouncy gait or posture, poor handwriting, or problems with visual-motor integration.
• They may show problems with proprioception (sensation of body position) on measures of developmental coordination disorder (motor planning disorder), balance, tandem gait, and finger-thumb apposition.
• Children with AS are more likely to have sleep problems, including difficulty in falling asleep, frequent nocturnal awakenings, and early morning awakenings.

I'm still on the fence on this issue.

Here is the problem and that is you do not have to have every single twist of a asperger to be one. If you have all of it you are most likely low functioning.

 

[ZenRaiden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhSfqOiI7o

 

[crippli]

10% of the posts in this thread are by Ink and 10% are by crippli this means there must be a strong link between Ink and crippli what are you hiding

Are you making a reference to something? Other then what was obvious?

Update-I wrote earlier in this thread I was being tested. I got the report. It said my test results resembled those with ADHD(icd-10), but didn't set a diagnosis, as the job was only to test. And wasn't quite sure.

Weird, I haven't considered this condition. I asked if it was progressive. Said no, most likely always been like that, and that it created some challenges for me. So, it looks like I am clear from Asperger and Autism. I do think I am rather empathic, so I have been skeptical the whole time I have considered the condition. I will for now refrain from conclusion , as depression, anxiety, schitzo-types, AS and HFA, ptsd, adhd and more, give many similar test results.

 

[pernoctator]

Are you making a reference to something? Other then what was obvious?

I don't know; what was obvious? I was parodying the bad logic in ZenRaiden's quote.

 

[crippli]

I don't know; what was obvious? I was parodying the bad logic in ZenRaiden's quote.

That was what I thought. That is a minus point towards AS, isn't it, bad logic? As system and order is often applied through logic. Apparently calms the AS.

 

[Reluctantly]

I can in a lot of ways, however,
I have a high EQ.

I notice things about people's mental states that other people are unable to synthesize into something relevant and meaningful. When I was younger this intuitive ability wasn't encouraged by my family and often disregarded, so I thought I didn't have it. I kind of accepted that I was just sensitive like they suggested, but now I've come to accept it and appreciate it now and use it.

But I identify in some ways:
1. Low external affect. I have strong internal emotions, but don't seem to want to show them to people, which is ironic. It's strange having someone tell you you have no emotions when you actually have strong and deep emotions related to everyone around you that you don't really know how to express.
2. I don't really enjoy looking people directly in the eyes. It feels too personal. I will glance and often speak while looking away. If I have to stare at people, my emotions get flooded and it makes me feel timid because they will see that I'm a little strange.
3. Poor motor skills. In the Army I have to march formations because of my rank and have always hated marching people because I find it hard to get rhythm. I had to power skip once as well and it took me about 30 minutes to get the hang of it; my coordination is something I seem to have to put more thought into over most people.

But I have high EQ; I have no problem with theory of mind. In fact, my thinking is very centered around it.

Because of this, I feel it makes more sense to attribute my problems to identifying as a female than to say I have Aspergers. But either way, it is what it is and I can't changed it whatever it is, so whatever.

 

[crippli]

I can in a lot of ways, however,
I have a high EQ.

I notice things about people's mental states that other people are unable to synthesize into something relevant and meaningful. When I was younger this intuitive ability wasn't encouraged by my family and often disregarded, so I thought I didn't have it. I kind of accepted that I was just sensitive like they suggested, but now I've come to accept it and appreciate it now and use it.

But I identify in some ways:
1. Low external affect. I have strong internal emotions, but don't seem to want to show them to people, which is ironic. It's strange having someone tell you you have no emotions when you actually have strong and deep emotions related to everyone around you that you don't really know how to express.
2. I don't really enjoy looking people directly in the eyes. It feels too personal. I will glance and often speak while looking away. If I have to stare at people, my emotions get flooded and it makes me feel timid because they will see that I'm a little strange.
3. Poor motor skills. In the Army I have to march formations because of my rank and have always hated marching people because I find it hard to get rhythm. I had to power skip once as well and it took me about 30 minutes to get the hang of it; my coordination is something I seem to have to put more thought into over most people.

But I have high EQ; I have no problem with theory of mind. In fact, my thinking is very centered around it.

Because of this, I feel it makes more sense to attribute my problems to identifying as a female than to say I have Aspergers. But either way, it is what it is and I can't changed it whatever it is, so whatever.

Hmm.....
Well....

In my country you don't get to be female if there is a mental problem.

How do you know you have high EQ?

 

[Reluctantly]

Hmm.....
Well....

In my country you don't get to be female if there is a mental problem.

How do you know you have high EQ?

That's nice. Thanks for assuming I'm mentally ill.

 

[crippli]

That's nice. Thanks for assuming I'm mentally ill.

I don't. I know you are female. Why did you reach this conclusion? Now i'm seriously confused.

 

[Reluctantly]

wat?

I don't understand what your statement had to do with my post then. I'm confused too.

I don't know. I'm going to bed.

 

[crippli]

wat?

I don't understand what your statement had to do with my post then. I'm confused too.

I don't know. I'm going to bed.

Just a question on how you know your EQ is high, as I was curious. For my own part I have no idea.

And as a side note it was meant literally. That in my country there are problems if mental check up doesn't go as planned.

Its all literal...

 

[Reluctantly]

Well, you'd know it was high because you'd get along with most, if not all, people and adapt to them and at the same time get those people to adapt to you as well. It requires accurately understanding them on an emotional level, something people with autism are predisposed to struggle with, and something that means you would be capable of not only understanding their emotional needs, but helping to fulfill them, while fulfilling yours at the same time.

It's kind of something you evaluate yourself on, or at least for me that's how it works. Because I imagine an EQ test would have the same problems that IQ tests have and if I then tried to create rules for evaluating it, well, it would be silly and flawed because it's not exactly about rules, but adaptive (fluid?) intelligence. I noticed this about IQ tests before, that they seem centered around testing one's ability to apply certain ways and/or types of thinking, but not testing the person's ability to think about thinking (or metacognition), something which would help someone much more with navigating through life because it would bolster their ability to learn, rather than apply absolutist ways of thinking or understanding about things.

 

[Polaris]

Not sure if people are aware that Aspergers is now lumped under Autism Spectrum Disorder according to the DSM-5.

Spoiler

"
[JUSTIF]Autism Spectrum Disorder.
Autism spectrum disorder is a new DSM-5 name that reflects a scientific consensus that four previously separate disorders are actually a single condition with different levels of symptom severity in two core domains. ASD now encompasses the previous DSM-IV autistic disorder (autism), Asperger’s disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified. ASD is characterized by 1) deficits in social communication and social interaction and 2) restricted repetitive behaviors, interests, and activities (RRBs). Because both components are required for diagnosis of ASD, social communication disorder is diagnosed if no RRBs are present."
[/JUSTIF]

And:

Interesting article about an alternative hypothesis for Autism.