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Knight Meyer

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No, this is not a question about whether I'm a P or a J, I've thankfully transcended that stage. I'm genuinely confused between two entirely different cognitive stacks. Introspection and self-analysis are not reliable options anymore, unfortunately. And yet... I feel there is an inclination towards INTP because I think I have Si. For example, I might visit a place and remember that the last time I was here, I was listening to a particular song or thinking about something in particular.

Here's a questionnaire I attempted a while ago, anyway.

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

Not at all. Perhaps laziness? But then again, laziness might compel me to reflect and introspect more.
I'm a seventeen year old male. I'm lazy but healthy.

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/396385...ore-2014-05-12
It seems to me as if the little flower is being berated or chastised unanimously by a society of like-minded bigots. I'm not exactly sure why I think the society consists of bigots. Perhaps that's because bigots often tend to cooperate with their narrow-minded companions in order to bolster their fallacious views on life. They need external validation because that's what bigots are. External validation. They absorb the views of society. I can understand but not necessarily appreciate a bigot whose viewpoints were shared by personal experience because at least they're authentic. There's also the symbolism of the road. The little flower is walking down its own path. But it can only walk in a single direction because it's restricted by society, and maybe the powers that be AKA authority.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

My initial thoughts? Depends on a lot of factors. Was I listening to music? Was I staring at the world outside? Was I introspecting? Was I talking to my friends? Was I sleeping? Was I thinking about the concert in anticipation? My initial thoughts would vary. For example, if I was listening to music, I wouldn't be perturbed. If I was thinking about the concert, I would definitely be annoyed. If I was talking to my friends and the discussion was interesting, I wouldn't mind at all.
At some point, I'll begin to do some quick calculations in my head, taking into account the time on the watch, the time remaining for the concert to begin, the assumed time it would take for the car to repair, the assumed speed of the car and the distance to the concert and find out if I would be able to arrive at the concert in time. Of course, there's also the possibility that I might just continue talking to my friends or listening to music in which case, I might even welcome the pause, particularly if I was reluctantly going to the concert, which is another scenario to consider because then I might actually rejoice at the break down of the car. There are so many variables and contingencies here.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

This again depends on multiple scenarios, particularly my mood and the atmosphere of the party. Do I even know the driver that well? My actions are not predetermined and static, so I frankly don't know. I'm actually quite changeable. I've been known to switch sides during debates and arguments faster than Miley Cyrus flicks her tongue. I read an article, process the information and maybe agree with the author if only for the sake of getting useful information, read the following comments and then agree with the contradictory arguments to the article if it sounds logical. What's next, I suddenly become exceptionally aware of the article's flaws and inconsistencies that were not visible in my initial perusal. Both the article and the comment seem right in their own way. And yet, there is a contradiction. Why did my mind change so swiftly and significantly? I don't even understand what my stance on the matter is. Small wonder I'm so indecisive. I find it hard to take sides. But when I do take sides, well... I change soon. That's why I'm not fond of For and Against debates.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

My inward reaction would be variable, giving a specific answer would only promote inaccuracy. I would question him, of course. I would ask him to explain his claim. Or, I might remain silent, lost in my thoughts, perhaps absorbing my experience at the concert. Which reminds me, have I already attended the party? I suppose I have, since I'm going back with the driver, and I don't consider myself assertive enough to have convinced him and a few more individuals to accompany me, especially if the driver wanted to attend the party. But then again, maybe I used the Geass on him. Alright, I digress.


5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Research. What else should I do? Shake in disbelief? Cry? Maybe, but I'm not that emotional. I would certainly be a little inconvenienced.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

Dunno. I don't think I have values. I used to be an ass about things like cheating, swearing and stuff as a child because of my parents, though. And yes, I deliberately used a swear word to demonstrate that I'm not afraid to swear anymore. Of course, I realize the importance of values. It's funny how values and emotions are differentiated here. Emotions may compel a vengeful person to kill someone and not mind doing so. But then, what if that person also had values? Like Batman. His values entailed that he does not kill. But his emotions are also important and they're telling him to go against his values. So, what does he do in the end? Emotions, or values? Or logic? Maybe logic will tell him that killing someone would make things messy and attract trouble with the authorities (I'm talking about pure logic here, logic does not make someone a sociopath). Interesting.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
a) Being alone. When outside, playing outdoor sports or having interesting experiences.
b) Social gatherings. Any situation where people skills are required.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?
I'm compelled to repress my inner thought process because I find it quite difficult to verbalize whatever crazy stuff goes in my mind. Besides, it's a waste of time. The conclusion's here. You can ask about the process later.
I repress much when it comes to outward behavior because of my social anxiety. Often, especially in social circumstances, I get the weird feeling that the whole world is watching me and as a result, I become hypersensitive, embarrassed to make even a single wrong move. I become aware of every single detail about my appearance that could attract negative attention. I don't know why this happens. It sucks.

I see I missed a question or two, but I'm too lazy to answer them now.
 

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I don't know what type you are and I don't think you really care that much either. Regardless it was a good entertaining read; I recommend it.
 

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Don't confuse regular memories with Si, it's easy to do so and think you have Si.
 

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I too zeroed in on the memory thing, then gave up once I saw how long your OP was XD

If the criteria you use to identify a function is not sensitive to the distinction between that function and a cognitive asset innate in all people, any evidence derived from that criteria is highly suspect. Memory is inherently associative, if it weren't, you'd never be able to locate the appropriate memories in real time.
 

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I wasn't thinking about memory association, though. I have a tendency to compare the present to the past and I'm quite nostalgic, insomuch that I once even tried to change my life in accordance with how my life used to be, say, two years ago. I also became sensitive to patterns. For instance, I actually developed a crazy theory where I thought that every alternating year, or the year ending with an odd number, would be beneficial for me. I would also start searching and detecting patterns between years. I only went along with the theory because it actually worked for some time, along with numerous other variables.

I didn't want to give off the impression that I don't care about getting typed, especially since it's the converse that's true. I have been researching so much about typology for the past year that I've been thinking of taking a break to give my mind some rest.

Here's an anecdote. Sometimes in 2011, it came to my knowledge that we were to visit a particular restaurant. I remembered that the last time we visited the same restaurant was in 2009, almost at the same time of the year if my memory served me well. I suddenly felt a great rush of excitement because not only was my theory being proven right, I also interpreted it as a sign that my life was going well.

In retrospect, I sound insane.
 

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Did ya consider ENTP? In any case I dunno what type you are. Too little personal info to come up with a good guess, though you did provide quite a lot of info it doesn't really do it because there are things that point towards INTP, ENTP, and INTJ respectively. I can't tell which it is.
 

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Did ya consider ENTP? In any case I dunno what type you are. Too little personal info to come up with a good guess, though you did provide quite a lot of info it doesn't really do it because there are things that point towards INTP, ENTP, and INTJ respectively. I can't tell which it is.

Yes, as a matter of fact I have considered every type at some point. However, while I believe I'm probably a perception dominant, I don't think my dominant function is extroverted, not even cognitively. Of course, I might be incorrect. In PersonalityCafe and TypologyCentral where I made countless threads similar to this, the types mostly suggested to me were INTP and ENTP, although INTJ has entered the mix recently.

What kind of personal information would be relevant here? Unfortunately, I'm terrible at describing myself. I'd rather someone took a stroll inside my mind if that were possible or just observed me, although that might take a creepier turn down the line. Perhaps you can ask a set of questions you deem would be useful?
 

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Why INTP over INTJ? Or rather, why Ti-Ne over Ni-Te? I'm interested in knowing how you, or anyone for that matter, arrive at your conclusions.

Cuz overall, the whole main post vibe is about Ne.
I think the post you made above my first response was pretty much about Si.
That equals INTP or ENTP, that's why i said of those two INTP but i thought about E instead of I. That's up to you.
"Often, especially in social circumstances, I get the weird feeling that the whole world is watching me and as a result, I become hypersensitive, embarrassed to make even a single wrong move."
I relate to this and i think it has to do with Si and Fe / Fi but INFP is not likely an option. If you ask me why i would fail to give you a 100% accurate and logical explanation so maybe i'm wrong. So don't take this as definitive. I'm sure you won't anyway.
Take a read on inferior Si:

http://personalitycafe.com/enfp-articles/76803-recognizing-inferior-function-enfps.html
 

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Yar reading up on the weaker functions in particular can help you out. These are the best articles I know of online:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...imulatedworlds-Profiles-for-Introverted-Types

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/135-MBTI-Form-of-the-Inferior-Functions

How were you like a child? What issues did you experience growing up? As a kid you ain't fully developed yet, hence your functional stack hasn't balanced itself out; wherefore, it can be easier to determine functions. I suggest reading up on how NT types grow up.
 

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Yar reading up on the weaker functions in particular can help you out. These are the best articles I know of online:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...imulatedworlds-Profiles-for-Introverted-Types

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/135-MBTI-Form-of-the-Inferior-Functions

How were you like a child? What issues did you experience growing up? As a kid you ain't fully developed yet, hence your functional stack hasn't balanced itself out; wherefore, it can be easier to determine functions. I suggest reading up on how NT types grow up.

Well, as a kid, I mostly played football, read fiction and played games on my PC (before I discovered the glorious portal of YouTube). I wasn't particularly imaginative, but I had a fascination with creating fictional worlds. Except that I won't create them from scratch, I would adapt them. For example, Dragon Ball Z was my favorite show and I would spend a lot of time imagining and constructing a story in Dragon Ball Z that took place after its official ending, as if I was a director hired for the reboot of the series; or envisage alternate scenarios with new characters. I remember that my stories were mainly about action. The characters should look cool, they should have cool superpowers, etc. There wasn't any underlying theme, actually. Even when I later, in my teens, started writing novels, they would be restricted to genres such as spy, crime and thriller. Your typical Jason Bourne or James Bond movie.
I remember creating my own imaginary football league. I loved football. So, in my mind, I started hosting my own world cups, with imaginary teams and tournaments. But I cared about authenticity and realism. For example, if I wanted to create the German national football team, I would go on the internet and look up common German names and the like.
In retrospect, honestly, my childhood was all about sensory entertainment. Video games, football, exploring the complex we lived in (I was a part of a juvenile "Secret Society" where my friends and I were considering going down a tunnel in search of "secrets" and "mysteries", we also tried creating cryptic languages and clandestine hideouts... with special cards of identification and passwords), PC games, TV, etc. Of course, maybe my memory's unreliable.
I never had any imaginary friends.

As a kid, my primary issues dealt with... not being tough, I suppose. I recall my parents calling me out for, in colloquial speak, being a chicken. For some reason, I also made a big deal out of immorality. I would consider it an insult if someone accused me of being a "bad guy", seriously.
 
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