Alien abductions and crop circles

[The Gentleman Scientist]

I was watching the x-files first season today and it got me thinking about the legitimacy of crop circles and alien abductions, as well as possible scientific explanations for what effects we know; alien abduction stories are common, and crop circles exist, causes debatable obviously. They're two very different observable phenomena.


I have a hard time taking the abductions seriously. Why would an advanced species with nano technology and molecular assembly/manipulation, among other technologies(?) need to abduct entire humans?
These technologies imply the ability to manipulate the environment subtly, quickly and from a distance. (If you don't think so, tell me why.) Any kind of test, harvesting, genetic alteration, ect could be preformed almost effortlessly (possibly from almost anywhere) by beings with sufficiently advanced technologies.

(These kinds of technologies also imply the possibility of a complete "documentation" of the human race. Not just obvious stuff like DNA, but every molecule, everything we've ever done, that's ever happened, also everything we've ever been(likely all of mans decedents and possibly all life to have ever existed on earth.)) Perhaps every molecule on the entire planet, from atmosphere to core. Who knows, maybe they like meteorology and geology too?

Assuming they have said tech? Lol at the giant metal chunk implants from the X-files. I assume they do because extra terrestrials are either very far away or very good at hiding. Both imply certain technologies that are likely not possible without nanotechnology, molecular assembly, ect..

I think the abduction stories are probably a psychological effect. I forgot the exact explanation tho.. there were probably several.




As for crop circles, I came to the conclusion it was a secret local cultural tradition of some kind. (In that part of England.) Maybe an ancient pagan art contest or something lol. Those old dudes on the news showing everyone how they did it were just a couple amateurs covering for the real crop circle masters.
Second possible cause is an "alien" spacecraft which may have landed or it may have emitted something from space marking the earth, cosmic graffiti of sorts lol. The latter more likely imo.

Thoughts?

(That conspiracy theorist guy with the hair needs his own emoticon.)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I think the abduction stories are probably a psychological effect. I forgot the exact explanation tho.. there were probably several.

If I remember correctly, alien abductions are associated with sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, and out of body experiences. Personally I've been through sleep paralysis several times, and two of them I would have considered possible attempted alien abductions if I didn't know otherwise.

The crop circles are more obscure. All of them seem to be perfectly executed; it's hard to think anyone made them but professionals, architects, or something from the skies. Since they originate in areas located away from the public where there'd be witnesses, I lean more on the side that it's a hoax. Though I don't reject that it could be aliens.

Why would an advanced species with nano technology and molecular assembly/manipulation, among other technologies(?) need to abduct entire humans?

There's nothing saying that human logic is at all similar to alien logic, regardless they could have a purpose that you are not aware of.

(That conspiracy theorist guy with the hair needs his own emoticon.)

 

[Beholder]

Second possible cause is an "alien" spacecraft which may have landed or it may have emitted something from space marking the earth, cosmic graffiti of sorts lol. The latter more likely imo.

So aliens from light years away coming all the way to earth to leave enigmatic and seemingly meaningless/purposeless "cosmic graffiti" in fields is more likely than humans living on this planet who claim to and have shown that they know how to do it doing it?

Please elaborate.

 

[Proletar]

Yeah. And why do they always end up with Hill Billies?


I have a thesis of my own.

My room was very, very messy until last month. I had just started a cure of all vitamins and omega 3 fish oil. On the third night of it, as I was about to dose off to sleep, I heard a strange tapping, so I layed still and listened for more and before I knew it, I was asleep. Later that night, I had a sleep-paralysis with the hallucination of a rat walking on me. As I awoke on the morning, I started cleaning the appartment. Just really clean it, because the thought of rats are disgusting.

My thought is this: When we reach a good chemical balance of nutritions, our instincts kicks in. Either it's me with a a messy appartment and a phobia of rats or it's Billy-Bob, having been out in the sun all day eating corn getting fears of an open field (being visible to predators - or being watched). These fears then all manifest themselves in sleep, and sleep-paralysis. Rats for me, aliens for him.

 

[redbaron]

http://www.circlemakers.org/

Just one of many groups that makes crop circles.

 

[The Gentleman Scientist]

So aliens from light years away coming all the way to earth to leave enigmatic and seemingly meaningless/purposeless "cosmic graffiti" in fields is more likely than humans living on this planet who claim to and have shown that they know how to do it doing it?

Please elaborate.

Oops I worded that poorly. I did not mean aliens are the most probable cause of crop circles. By "latter more likely", I meant that IF aliens are the cause then its more likely they emitted something from space to create a circle rather than landing on earth since landing an entire ship would likely require more energy. Pure speculation tho. It's much more likely people make them.

There's nothing saying that human logic is at all similar to alien logic, regardless they could have a purpose that you are not aware of.

I've heard this before. Makes me start thinking of all sorts of hypothetical systems of logic and perception, each more strange than the next. Also makes me wonder about the manner in which computation is performed to achieve said logic. Humans have a neural network obviously, neurons with "weights", ect.. but what other "substrates" could hold(run?) a "mind". It seems unlikely that all alien brains are just variations and improvement on the same parallel processing theme we see in humans..

I know these problems results in endless speculation. Especially when the age and size of the universe are taken into account.. still though, I think its fun to think about.

Same with possible purpose for abductions.. endless possibilities.. who knows what sort of freaky psychological fixations, neurosis, quirks, distortions, ect.. a being millions of years old could have developed without realizing it.. What effect does extreme lengths of time have on a mind? Kidnapping primitive beings and messing with them? Reminds me a bit of child predators lol.

This is great lol.

 

[Sorlaize]

Thoughts?

Vijay Prozak, in one of his articles I recently read and loved, wrote something like

"remove all supersitions from the primitive mind"

If aliens existed, there would be some evidence. You have to brush off the kinds of worries that your mind is built to scare itself of. I'm able to outright reject this sort of thing. I love finding out new pieces of information, and it's important to keep my bullshit filter intact for exactly this reason.