Bamberg's Possession Theory

[infpmale]

I think i got it right this time

Extraverted Feeling: Understanding the extent to which you belong to any object
Extraverted Thinking: Understanding the extent to which any object belongs to you

Introverted Feeling: Understanding the extent to which you do not belong to any object
Introverted Thinking: Understanding the extent to which any object does not belong to you

Cheers!

Its called Bamberg's Possession Theory

Give credit where its due

Thanks

 

[kvothe27]

Wouldn't extroverted feeling be more appropriate if it was about understanding the extent to which you belong to any subject?

It doesn't seem the possession theory provides much illumination if we start including rocks as being something the function of Fe handles. Beyond this, I don't see how replacing using "belonging" in place of "orientation" provides much illumination. Please expand on your theory.

 

[infpmale]

The reason i used the term object is because jung used that term to describe extraverts 'desire to participate with the external object'

i think rocks are something the Fe handles, in terms of being extraverts who utilize objects. Feelers too can belong to a material object.

 

[infpmale]

also, the whole point to this theory is for a way for non-users of a cognitive function to be able to understand a cogntive function

 

[kvothe27]

So, would it be appropriate to say a rock can possess someone with, for example, Fe in their stack? And, for example, Fe leads to an understanding of how much a person belongs to this rock? Or, does Fe lead to a sense of being possessed by an object? What I'm trying to point out is that the term "possession" and "belong" seem to introduce anthropomorphism into the mix. Please clarify this for me.

 

[infpmale]

As a feeler i have experienced belonging to many external objects. (or rather, as an Fi, i have an understanding of how little I belong to people, places, things) I just use the term object for anything and everything. Its the extent to which you belong......some thing you belong more than others, and cognition is the measurement of all this.

Also, its not an actual possession, but rather a sense of possession (or belonging)

 

[Brontosaurie]

it makes sense from a psychoanalytical object-relations theory POV, i.e. with human objects only.

food for thought. certainly better than most of the derivative circular self-gratifying MBTI musings out there.

 

[kvothe27]

Which part of object-relations theory? Projective identification? Is a person who's integrated his functions to a greater extent more likely to not engage in projective identification? And through this process, and in the ability to tolerate increasing ambiguity in objects, as opposed to splitting, be able to have a better grasp as to how much one belongs to an object or how much the object belongs to the individual?

So, are immature INTPs more prone to splitting in regards to their Fe function? This seems likely given that INTPs' inferior function is often described as "childlike." Perhaps that is why INTPs often shut down their emotions because this splitting leads INTPS to distrust their emotions . . .

Ti-Ne, on the other hand, in being more comfortable with ambiguity (evidenced in being able to analyze from a number of different perspectives), is more developed and much less prone to splitting.

But, how would this arise in infancy in relation to one's caregivers? I can think of a few possibilities, but would need research to back this up.

 

[cheese]

Ooh, very interesting. That seems like a fantastic description of Fe. I'd say Ti is
"Understanding the extent to which you do not belong to any object" though, since Ti opposes Fe.

Fe understands its obligations because of tribal mentality (communal possession - of each individual's time and resources).

I'm not sure about the others (including my revision of Ti), personally. Will think about this more. The Fe description seems spot-on though. IME even TPs (low Fe types) can pinpoint exactly where someone has failed their communal/interpersonal duties better than FPs (high Fi types). IME the Fi type seems to have less understanding of this way of thinking compared to the TPs who can more intuitively see the obligations binding people (even if they think those obligations are nonsense).
Anecdotal though.

 

[SkyWalker]

I think i got it right this time

Extraverted Feeling: Understanding the extent to which you belong to any object
Extraverted Thinking: Understanding the extent to which any object belongs to you

Introverted Feeling: Understanding the extent to which you do not belong to any object
Introverted Thinking: Understanding the extent to which any object does not belong to you

Cheers!

Its called Bamberg's Possession Theory

Give credit where its due

Thanks

Almost right, you just have to switch Ti and Fi.

Fi is like a bouncer, keeping foreign objects out.
Ti is like a critical guest, who has conditions (logical/critical reasons not to go in)

 

[Brontosaurie]

Which part of object-relations theory?

just the basic part, "object" being a fancy word for fellow human being and limited to the sphere of social interaction! i haven't delved into the defensive mechanisms in conjunction with MBTI but that synthesis of ideas holds some promise.

 

[Suraj]

I'm not seeing how this view differs significantly enough from Jung's own to be considered "yours".

 

[infpmale]

Jung never talked of belonging, or the matrix i describe

 

[infpmale]

Here is me explaining the theory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsjKO6tCi0M

 

[infpmale]

not sure