Hello

[lightlazer]

Fellow INTPs, I just want technology to advance enought to be able to transport my mind into a vastly faster and more capable platform/medium. I know I should actively work on it but I am 50/50 occupied between doing nothing and just thinking about it.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

There's always hope in Jesus, ya know!?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

...I am 50/50 occupied between doing nothing and just thinking about it.

Ha! Awesome.

 

[lightlazer]

Nice to meet you both.

There's always hope in Jesus, ya know!?

I am deeply atheist, though I am becoming a little more spiritual as years go by. The latest book I am currently reading may have something to do: http://amzn.com/1579830250

Quote:
Originally Posted by lightlazer
...I am 50/50 occupied between doing nothing and just thinking about it.

Ha! Awesome.

I have been pondering how many traits INTPs may share among ourselves. This thread: http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2599 has left me pretty perplexed.

 

[own8ge]

Do psychedelics.

 

[Absurdity]

I am deeply atheist

What does it mean to be deeply atheist? Not trying to start a fight, I've just never heard anyone put it this way.

 

[lightlazer]

Do psychedelics.

The goal being what? The only drugs I do is alcohol, and have tried weed but the last couple of times it made me paranoid so I stopped. I may try one day hallucinogenic drugs as LSD but I fear a bad experience, as I usually have bad experiences with alcohol, I just immerse in my thoughts and overthink my environment (I even become more timid instead of extraverting myself).

What does it mean to be deeply atheist? Not trying to start a fight, I've just never heard anyone put it this way.

Nothing special besides supernatural fairy tale explanations of the universe not making any sense to me. I just say deeply atheist to remark my firm conviction. Also English is not my primary language

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I may try one day hallucinogenic drugs as LSD but I fear a bad experience, as I usually have bad experiences with alcohol, I just immerse in my thoughts and overthink my environment (I even become more timid instead of extraverting myself).

Don't forget permanent brain damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVfr5lvj4a4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhwt84YEcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqrrFzTZCY

 

[Cavallier]

Welcome!

What do you do? What are your hobbies other than thinking?

 

[Absurdity]

Also English is not my primary language

I realized this might be the case right after I posted.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

 

[Cognisant]

Fellow INTPs, I just want technology to advance enought to be able to transport my mind into a vastly faster and more capable platform/medium. I know I should actively work on it but I am 50/50 occupied between doing nothing and just thinking about it.

Well the Russians were transplanting dog heads in the 60s so attaching the brain to artificial life support should be very feasible these days, still not a safe procedure but of course interrupting the blood supply to the brain however slightly never will be.

Then there's the matter of hooking up the brain to a remote operated robotic body (on-board life support would be impractical) now somewhere in the US they've coaxed rat neurons to interface with electrodes and got them to perform simple stabilization of a simulated aircraft, I figure much the same technique could be used to attach the body's nerves to an electrode interface, it should be much easier than trying to interface with the brain directly.

Although... this will probably hurt, a lot.

If sensations are just electrical signals interpreted by the brain imagine what happens when you start blindly attaching things, the brain will adapt to the new input eventually but the time in between will probably be like setting your arm on fire and sticking it in a blender, for months on end.

Only the brave and the bold eh?

 

[own8ge]

Do you take the blue pill or the red pill?

 

[doublevisionsfc]

Do you take the blue pill or the red pill?

What happens if you take both?

 

[lightlazer]

Don't forget permanent brain damage.

Ah yes, I forgot that is one of the biggest reasons I am reticent to try those drugs.

Welcome!

What do you do? What are your hobbies other than thinking?

Thanks. I am a Computer Engineer in my late 20s. I recently quit my software engineer job to pursue a master's degree in Artificial Intelligence. I love hard sci-fi and enjoy videogames.

Well the Russians were transplanting dog heads in the 60s so attaching the brain to artificial life support should be very feasible these days, still not a safe procedure but of course interrupting the blood supply to the brain however slightly never will be.

Then there's the matter of hooking up the brain to a remote operated robotic body (on-board life support would be impractical) now somewhere in the US they've coaxed rat neurons to interface with electrodes and got them to perform simple stabilization of a simulated aircraft, I figure much the same technique could be used to attach the body's nerves to an electrode interface, it should be much easier than trying to interface with the brain directly.

Although... this will probably hurt, a lot.

If sensations are just electrical signals interpreted by the brain imagine what happens when you start blindly attaching things, the brain will adapt to the new input eventually but the time in between will probably be like setting your arm on fire and sticking it in a blender, for months on end.

Only the brave and the bold eh?

I am a transhumanist and I am quite convinced of a technological singularity happening in a few decades. Aging and death make me very sad.

Do you take the blue pill or the red pill?

Red pill for sure!

 

[Pizzabeak]

Don't forget permanent brain damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVfr5lvj4a4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhwt84YEcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqrrFzTZCY

Those aren't psychedelics

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Do you take the blue pill or the red pill?

What about neither of them?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Those aren't psychedelics

Oh, okay, we have a self-proclaimed drug expert here.
Do you get a pharmalogically certified list of ingredients with any POS junk hit you buy on the streets?
I thought so.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Pharmacologically? Can't tell if you're serious or not and also don't see how that matters. If that were the case almost anything could probably be termed "mind manifesting" but it's apparent what's being referred to are a main class of compounds that reached a peak popularity sometime in the 60s-70s for potentially being able to increase the resourcefulness of (not just) human mind. Spice, I guess, is just synthetic weed and bath salts or krokodil are obviously mind and/or body damaging rather than being even remotely fun or interesting. A "bad trip" on a psychedelic shouldn't end up being on the level of something outlined in those vids unless one seriously doesn't know what to expect and was overcame somehow, in any case the worst thing that would probably happen is vomiting or temporarily passing out, in extreme cases heart palpitations or convulsions, if anything.

Point is you can apparently get reagent kits and test what may be present in a substance.. "Psychedelic" is somewhat broad, encompassing at least three different sub types of plant family/alkaloids and active ingredients or even chemical structure. Anything in those vids or alcohol or PCP aren't really psychedelics and I wouldn't tell the kids to use them either, although I wouldn't lump them all into one category and not at least point out the differences between weed and cigarette smoke. So sure, don't do drugs because you might end up naked on the street and then on youtube, but "psychedelics" nowadays are at least a bit more considerable (for actual potential therapeutic effect).

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMbvZtBTRb8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulb27LVPEAA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSDJcoXw7II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilThZrjCWfM

Yep, looks like you can "expand your mind" to the degree that you are unable to grasp what the hell is going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incapacitating_agent

 

[lightlazer]

Thanks for the informative videos Salmoneus.

For me, the tricky part would be to get the dosage (and quality) right to have a experience good enough, or not too bad in case it goes awry. But as far as I can tell from the information I have read, LSD or mushrooms do not cause physical damage to your brain and can make the user experience very insightful and even life-changing "trips".

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Thanks for the informative videos Salmoneus.

For me, the tricky part would be to get the dosage (and quality) right to have a experience good enough, or not too bad in case it goes awry. But as far as I can tell from the information I have read, LSD or mushrooms do not cause physical damage to your brain and can make the user experience very insightful and even life-changing "trips".

The furthest i have come to know about "insight" when it comes to LSD users,
is that they were presented with fractions of their conscious and unconscious mind,
leaving them puzzled in amazement.
This seems to me like the oldest trick in the book that anthropologists and ethnologists
usually pull out of their sleeves at first contact events,
in order to convince the "savages" of their technological superiority.
(With super-natural connotations being made from the perspective of the "savage")
One incident of this captured on film can be seen here at 18:02:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd0I1xAICOc

It's amazing how little has changed over the millenia (possibly more accurate: aeons) when it comes to human nature.