Insecurity and its Nature

[Chaucerinthewoods]

I wonder if this website is for INTPs who don't care what other INTP'S think, but want to pretend that they do, so that they can still be an INTP without feeling lonely, but alas, this is an internet forum, and so we all must be lonely in some profound way, whatever it is or isn't. At least if we're on this site.

I feel like the true INTPs have long moved past this website and all of its suggestive experiences. The ones that remain either a) don't know what's on their minds b) seem indebted to their cheap ego thrills, or c) a permutation of both.

Or maybe that's the point of internet forums, to pretend that we don't have egos.

This is my opinion, thank you.

 

[lucky12]

Seems awfully like a forum to me.

I seek discussion between "like-minded" people, or with those who would like to discuss the topic presented.

It is my opinion that your opinion has a lot of flaws.
off to the depths of homework now.

 

[kantor1003]

If it's true that most here are lonely in some profound way, at least one can derive comfort from the fact that one is not alone in ones loneliness.

I don't get most of your line of thought, or rather find them questionable since you don't explain too well how you arrive at those observations, if you can call it that. Not caring what others here think, but pretending to do so as not to feel lonely? Not knowing whats on ones mind? If you mean in a general, more abstract, sense, I guess this could be extended to most, if not the whole of the human population.

I think some elaboration is in order to make your thoughts more clear. It might just be me though.

 

[Jah]

This topic seems like another one of those fun intersections.

I'm sure we'll elaborate.


Is it an ego-thrill to point out the ego-thrill in pointing out ego-thrills ?
(I believe it is, and that this is a very funny paradox...)


Oh, and welcome to the forum.
You'll probably fluctuate in and out of here, depending on your day to day ego-attachment (do you have a better word for it ?)
I suspect there are many here who do.

 

[kantor1003]

Is it an ego-thrill to point out the ego-thrill in pointing out ego-thrills ?
(I believe it is, and that this is a very funny paradox...)

Ad infinitum unless your question to begin with isn't about a simple ego-thrill, but a sincere question. One can obviously have a sincere question while at the same time experience an ego thrill, or seek it. What about your question jah? Ego-thrill, sincere question, observation - a mix? If so, what would you hypothesize the ratio to be?

Edit: For my questions to you, I'd say about 95% sincere question and about 5% ego-thrill, if I had to guess. Unfortunately, I think the ego-trhill ratio often happens to be way higher. Perhaps me almost being in a hypnagogic state right now has a positive effect in this regard

 

[Meer]

I think every person cares about what other people think, to some extent, regardless of the letters some stupid quiz spat out at them. We are human, right...?

And besides, there is some Fe going on.

 

[Dapper Dan]

Personally, I just find INTPs and MBTI in general to be very interesting.

 

[Zionoxis]

My reasoning for being here is because I have yet to find many other areas where there are like-minded people. Also, many here are far more knowledgeable than I am in some areas and can explain the concepts in a way I can easily grasp. I guess in some sense, I can leech off of others and provide what I know.

As for caring what others think, I truly do more than an INTP should. I really am not much of a people pleaser, but I will go to any extent to keep from having others hold a negative view of me. I am not actually sure where this originates, but I suspect an undeveloped Fe (trying to figure out how others are feeling + Ne to allow me to create situations where they may dislike me). Anyhow, excuse the rant, but just my two cents.

 

[EditorOne]

"I wonder if this website is for INTPs who don't care what other INTP'S think, but want to pretend that they do, so that they can still be an INTP without feeling lonely, but alas, this is an internet forum, and so we all must be lonely in some profound way, whatever it is or isn't."

Why thank you. I read this early in the morning and now my hair hurts from trying to wrap my brain around it.

And as usual I will quibble with the assumptions that INTPs are innately lonely and that online forums are only for the lonely. Piffle and squib, squat and bullroar, just a stereotype probably coming from the internet-challenged.

And now[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2whGEvy13Ag"]Only The Lonely-Roy Orbison-original song-1960 - YouTube[/nomedia]. You make my hair hurt, I make you cry. Fair trade.

 

[BigApplePi]

I wonder if this website is for INTPs who don't care what other INTP'S think, but want to pretend that they do, so that they can still be an INTP without feeling lonely, but alas, this is an internet forum, and so we all must be lonely in some profound way, whatever it is or isn't. At least if we're on this site.

I'm going to guess everyone experiences loneliness and everyone cares what people feel about them. They just manifest it in the different ways we are looking at here. You used the magic word, "care"! I have to care what others do/think/feel because they could impact me. That is the reason. If I remained alone, I could collect some stuff to feed my psyche and body, but eventually I'd get hungry wouldn't I?

I feel like the true INTPs have long moved past this website and all of its suggestive experiences. The ones that remain either a) don't know what's on their minds b) seem indebted to their cheap ego thrills, or c) a permutation of both.

Huh? Where'd they go? Why did they leave me behind? Now I have to sit here with my f'n ego seeking cheap thrills.

 

[Jah]

Ad infinitum unless your question to begin with isn't about a simple ego-thrill, but a sincere question. One can obviously have a sincere question while at the same time experience an ego thrill, or seek it. What about your question jah? Ego-thrill, sincere question, observation - a mix? If so, what would you hypothesize the ratio to be?

Edit: For my questions to you, I'd say about 95% sincere question and about 5% ego-thrill, if I had to guess. Unfortunately, I think the ego-trhill ratio often happens to be way higher. Perhaps me almost being in a hypnagogic state right now has a positive effect in this regard

I suppose it was a mix of those, as well as a humorous outburst.
I like these subtle jokes that seem to crop up whenever we try to talk outside an ego. (like saying "I meditate", which is ironic and "counterproductive" to the goals of meditation...)


For my question I'd say a mix of Ego-thrill, sincere question, joke and observation. haha, maybe we could give it some quantum-mechanical expression.
just give it some probability of being any of those.

Right now I consider it a funny joke. (perhaps it was more ego-thrill when I thought of it, then an observation, then a joke, and perhaps just a tiny bit of a sincere question...)



But back to the topic, Being free from care of what others think of one's self seems to be a major pursuit of almost any school of spirituality/original religion (by that I mean whatever sparked the religious schools which gradually grew over with dogmas (and/or catmas.))

So we could therefore suspect that it is possible for people to attain that state of mind, at least for some period of time.

 

[cheese]

I read the 'not caring what other INTPs think' as 'not being interested in the thoughts of others', not so much 'other people having no effect on them'.

As in, we're all here pretending to discuss things with each other, to genuinely communicate from mind to mind - but actually we're just looking to assuage deep-seated loneliness; we're not really interested in what anyone else has to say, only to make ourselves feel better with company.

I don't think this is true for everyone here.

Also, every now and then someone will come up with a barely coherent post. Often these are praised as extremely intelligent, insightful and profound - by people I actually understand and respect, and that's surprising for me cos I have no idea what they're saying and it often appears to be loosely-connected dressed-up fluff. Then there are the other times when they just go "wtf".

I don't get why this is one of the latter occasions. This makes as much sense as any of the other stuff. Actually it makes more sense than some of the other weird stuff I've read. I guess it's subjective, since I've understood other posts/users who've been completely insane and incomprehensible to others.

The INTPs that stay don't know what's on their minds? I don't know what to make of that bit. The second half of the OP is hard for me to decipher.

 

[BigApplePi]

Lone-ness (loneliness) is about absence of connection. If you happen to be an organism (many human beings are) you have all sorts of feelers reaching out to make all sorts of connections. (Don't ask me to explain why that is.) Anyway if you reach out and there is no response or never ever a response, expect a sort of loneliness to make an appearance.

This is not an INTP Forum experience but it reminds me of the other night. I feel insecure about economics and don't know what the f is going on. I got a severe and much deserved reprimand from economics professor ProxyAmenRa who told me to go read a thousand books to get enlightened. I feel very insecure about that because I don't think I know how to read. Anyway I was out for the evening to this Meetup Group. They had an hour social before starting. I spied this extrovert who said he was an economist. While he was yapping to some girl, I thought to myself. Here is an opportunity to rid myself of some insecurity. I said, "I understand you know economics." I asked him, "Who is right, Hayek or Keynes?" He eagerly and immediately responded and my loneliness vanished. He said "Keynes" and proceeded to yap for ten minutes, almost all of which sailed right over my head (or went in one ear and out the other). I thanked him and we separated. I felt as lonely as ever. He hadn't helped me with a connection at all.

At least on the INTP Forum, there is hope of connections.

 

[Guess]

I wonder if this website is for INTPs who don't care what other INTP'S think, but want to pretend that they do, so that they can still be an INTP without feeling lonely, but alas, this is an internet forum, and so we all must be lonely in some profound way, whatever it is or isn't. At least if we're on this site.

I feel like the true INTPs have long moved past this website and all of its suggestive experiences. The ones that remain either a) don't know what's on their minds b) seem indebted to their cheap ego thrills, or c) a permutation of both.

Or maybe that's the point of internet forums, to pretend that we don't have egos.

This is my opinion, thank you.

If I got right your point, and looking at your registration date and number of posts, you had quite a high expectation when joining this forum that fellow INTPs would go on high level unbiased discussions and at least as an initial participation, this forum looks deceptively similar to other internet forums. Just the language is a little bit more exuberant...

If that´s the case, that thought also crossed my mind, but I will still take more time to give the forum a chance. I can see at least glimpses of fruitful discussions.
Perhaps some long term members have a diametral opposite view they can share?