INTx... Am I a P or J?

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm an INTx guys... I'm pretty convinced at this point that all my e/i orientations can periodically flip to accomodate different situations. I always seem to remain very INT, but that could be NeTi or TeNi in different situations or moods...

Even if your e/i fluctuations were true that wouldn't make you INTx it would make you ENTP/INTJ(NeTi/NiTe) or ENTJ/INTP(TeNi/TiNe).

 

[Base groove]

Even if your e/i fluctuations were true that wouldn't make you INTx it would make you ENTP/INTJ(NeTi/NiTe) or ENTJ/INTP(TeNi/TiNe).

Agreed.

I would expand this further to say that the ENTP/INTJ group can also include ENFP/INFJ which you have mentioned earlier. Sometimes I wonder if I am ENFP for example (until I look in a mirror).

 

[Absurdity]

INTX makes zero sense unless you have a complete lack of understanding about your internal processes. Ti-dom and Ni-dom are polar opposites, characterized by most structured inner world and least structured inner world respectively.

 

[Imaginary Numb3r]

Sometimes, there is simply no definite answer... I hate to admit that myself, but it's not the real personality you type after all.

While I believe MBTI to be the best tool for arrange personalities, it is only the perceiving / judging part after all. But there is much more than that, especially experience, whether good or bad has a major impact on a personality as well.

I was very unsure what type I am untill I really read myself into the tertiary and inferior funtions and grasped the full picture of MBTI. Perhaps, you need to do the same, perhaps something differently. Imo, you seem to be like an INTJ with INTP traits, but that is merely an opinion.

While INTx might not be the best solution, I think you can safely call yourself an introverted rationalist. While I'm not real a keirsey fan, I think he was basically not wrong with the SJ/SP/NF/NT classification. But that's only my opinion as well.

I guess you need to find your own way. Good luck with that.

 

[Methodician]

what is the megalomaniac hyperambitious side? : O

It's the benevolent scientist dictator lurking withing. The leader from the shadows, shaping the future and forging a new world.

It's the part of me that wants to build and control self-managing business units. The part of me that wants to design a space habitat superorganism where each species is analogous to an organ, each individual a cell. The part of me that wants to attain great wealth and power, overthrow the world's governments, and create a new, rational world order. The part of me that wants to initiate the mandatory exodus of humanity from mother earth. The part of me that wants to be the first and quickest to integrate with (bio)technology and become the greatest and most powerful god-like being in the universe.

It's the part of me that wants to rule the world... expand my consciousness to fill the universe... be god...

It's the part of me I know would go too far. The part I do my best to keep tight reigns on. The part I know I could never really fulfill no matter how hard I work because, in the end, I'm probably not the smartest and most capable person on earth.

 

[Methodician]

While I'm not rejecting the responses, I'd like clarification on why I couldn't fluctuate between TiNe and NiTe... (I had them in the wrong order for dominance)...

Though It's certainly possible that my either my T or N is always dominant...
So with dominant T, I could be going TiNe/TeNi (INTP/ENTJ) or with dominant N, I could be going NiTe/NeTi (INTJ/ENTP)...

Sometimes I do feel mildly extroverted but I'm pretty sure that's normal?

Were one of the latter the case, I'd have a new confusion. I "feel" as though my N is usually dominant, which could make my flux one of the INTJ/ENTP type, but then maybe there's an F that comes out somewhere and I just don't want to admit it...

Perhaps it's easiest to call myself a fluctuating NT kinda guy...

Damn and here I thought I was going to close out the whole thread...

 

[ENTP lurker]

Not exactly the same system but it is quite useful to see socionics profiles and cognitive make up for INTp (INTJ) and INTj (INTP). In socionics there are things called quadras for alpha (Ne/Si, Ti/Fe) and gamma (Ni/Se, Te/Fi) and they are also usefull to see.
If a person founds socionics systems interesting it propably correlates with high Ti.

 

[Base groove]

While I'm not rejecting the responses, I'd like clarification on why I couldn't fluctuate between TiNe and NiTe...

[...]

Perhaps it's easiest to call myself a fluctuating NT kinda guy...

Damn and here I thought I was going to close out the whole thread...

I believe I have already linked a semi-recent thread in response to this inquiry, that contains a brief discussion on this issue. Didn't you read it? Or you want to be spoon-fed...

 

[Spirit]

Intj

 

[deadpixel]

@Architect and others have occasionally suggested I may be an INTJ. I've always identified as an INTP...

What are some of the key differences? What are some tell-tale signs of being one or the other of these? What should I read or understand to help reach a conclusion? What are some questions I could answer that would help willing contributors to help me to figure this out?

My understanding of the difference between P and J are pretty clearcut and obvious. J's seem to NEED a structured lifestyle and totally freak the fuck out if things dont go according to plan. Not to say that a P wont get frustrated if things dont go accordingly but are able to work around it without freaking out.

J's seem to be more neat and tidy than P's, My J girlfriend sees my P as being messy or unorganised, and while it may appear that way I know where everything is in my mess.

A J that has a preference for N though could probably be a little more unorganized and untidy though because they arent using the S with the J.

 

[Grayman]

P is just an excuse to be lazy and J is just an excuse to get your way

I'm feeling trolly must be that PJ sandwich I ate. I'm feeling too lazy to make a good case but still expect to win this argument as I should.

Fine... I'll keep my trolling to this single post. I have to get some sleep anyways.

 

[ENTP lurker]

P needs structure to be imposed. J is already structured. Ti number 1 function in INTPs is J function. INTPs have the structure but it is not geared towards outer world. INTPs are introverted Js. Therefore they need ESFJs to boss them around and hug them.

As an ENTP I need the structure in order to become structured in my inner world. Therefore I need ISFJs to provide me food, clothes and children as lab rats.

INTJ also needs the structure in order to become one with structure of their outer world. INTJs are introverted Ps. Therefore they need ESFPs to make them party hard for social networking in order to become evil mastermind behind the scenes?

ENTJ is structured externally but they need ISFPs to become one with their inner artsy impulsive emo at least occasionally.



Holy fecal matter! I'm pretty good at this. So I continue.



ESFJs need INTPs in order to take more pragmatic viewpoint at their hasty social life and be more tuned with their inner geek.

ISFJs need ENTPs to break their monotonus routines in order to think more efficient ways to be a good servant.

ESFPs need INTJs to become aware of long term consequences of their partying and reckless living

ISFPs need ENTJs to become more harder hard ass critics of themselves in long term perspective.



And pretty much off topic. Excellent! Let's continue.




ISTPs need ENFJs to understand why there is a need for social order in long term perspective.

ESTPs need INFJs to become more softhearted and long term focused in their quests at being irresponsible bossy figure.

ISTJs need ENFPs to become touch with their inner gay. Just kidding everyone needs that! OK, to actually loosen up to weird things and people.

ESTJs need INFPs to be more gentle at themselves and others when imposing antiquated structures.

ENFJs need ISTPs to put grease on their bicycle chains.

INFJs need ESTPs to manipulate and boss others so they can become part of the herd aka the social structure.

ENFPs need ISTJs to become less weird and to appreciate normal things sometimes even normal people.

INFPs need ESTJs to actually appreciate crappy structure in some level and become able to hold on their opinoins in public under pressure.

Thank you. My Ne is empty. Into the ISFJ grip phase!

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Spoiler

P needs structure to be imposed. J is already structured. Ti number 1 function in INTPs is J function. INTPs have the structure but it is not geared towards outer world. INTPs are introverted Js. Therefore they need ESFJs to boss them around and hug them.

As an ENTP I need the structure in order to become structured in my inner world. Therefore I need ISFJs to provide me food, clothes and children as lab rats.

INTJ also needs the structure in order to become one with structure of their outer world. INTJs are introverted Ps. Therefore they need ESFPs to make them party hard for social networking in order to become evil mastermind behind the scenes?

ENTJ is structured externally but they need ISFPs to become one with their inner artsy impulsive emo at least occasionally.



Holy fecal matter! I'm pretty good at this. So I continue.



ESFJs need INTPs in order to take more pragmatic viewpoint at their hasty social life and be more tuned with their inner geek.

ISFJs need ENTPs to break their monotonus routines in order to think more efficient ways to be a good servant.

ESFPs need INTJs to become aware of long term consequences of their partying and reckless living

ISFPs need ENTJs to become more harder hard ass critics of themselves in long term perspective.



And pretty much off topic. Excellent! Let's continue.




ISTPs need ENFJs to understand why there is a need for social order in long term perspective.

ESTPs need INFJs to become more softhearted and long term focused in their quests at being irresponsible bossy figure.

ISTJs need ENFPs to become touch with their inner gay. Just kidding everyone needs that! OK, to actually loosen up to weird things and people.

ESTJs need INFPs to be more gentle at themselves and others when imposing antiquated structures.

ENFJs need ISTPs to put grease on their bicycle chains.

INFJs need ESTPs to manipulate and boss others so they can become part of the herd aka the social structure.

ENFPs need ISTJs to become less weird and to appreciate normal things sometimes even normal people.

INFPs need ESTJs to actually appreciate crappy structure in some level and become able to hold on their opinoins in public under pressure.

Thank you. My Ne is empty. Into the ISFJ grip phase!

Socionics is a very elegant logical theory and because of that it allows for tons of unsubstantiated speculations. I've found this plagues the community and the person which makes it even more confusing and obsessive unless you put strict boundaries on what you accept as valid.

It has begun!